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i'd rather make him smaller. Honestly i think belakors size is perfect. and him being more powerful than any deamon primarch makes it much more cool

IronfrontAlex wrote:

MassDriver wrote:How about our good friend Attila the Hun? He seems suitably nihilistic and war-mongering without ever building something as constructive as an empire.

you need to remember that even tho Atilla was considered a scurge of the gods; he eventually submitted and made a deal with the pop himself and the Roman Empire's new faith in christianity. He was basically bought out by them whereas a servant of Khrone would NEVER surrender or make agreements of peace. Take the leader of the vandals then; for revenge on his fathers suicide mission he took the vandals and erm.... RAMSACKED ROME

Fair enough, I forgot that Attila went soft in the end, pretty anti-climatic really a bit like Barbarossa drowning mid crusade... ah well. By the criteria of never making peace deals (which i agree with) we really narrow down the list of candidates. Even most of the brutal, tyranical people mentioned have at some point made a peace treaty or otherwise ended a war without totaly destroying their enemy. This is a result of having realistic political and military aims as opposed to jsut slaughter.

Given this how about Pol Pot? He was just a nasty peace of work and once he'd finished purging his enemies he purged his own party and once he got bored with that/there was no one left to purge he started a war with Vietnam. Real smart given it was not long after the Vietnam war and they had thousands of battle hardened troops... Although I guess the pen pusher argument still applies.

but did he murder and maim first hand? My reasoning for Vlad the impaler isn't only his infulence on dracula. But he was a fierce warriror who pushed back the turkish armies from invading europe on more than one occasion, the taking many prisoners and even more of his own citizens and impaling them on spikes to scare the ottomans away. There is some quote out there where the ottomans are about to invade and they see a field of impaled people some oh which weren't dead yet. And the sultan was leading the army turned the whole army around and went back to turkey going "may god have mercy on his soul" or like "god doesn't live here"


Vlad thought of a way to impale someone on a stake from chest to bottom while keeping them alive for a long, agonizing death.

Karon wrote:Thing is, it says that the Emperor came to being "The Emperor" around the 1600's, so its impossible.

Where's it say that? I thought The Emperor actually emerged as 'The Emperor' during the post-apocalyptic wars into the future, with techno-barbarians and whatnot, and beat everyone with what would eventually become the first Space Marines.

Not that he came to power in the 1600's...




Anyway, Doombreed would have to be someone who killed heaps of people himself. Vlad or Ghengis are good choices. Hitler and Stalin are not.

Two points that some people are missing:
1 As HBMC said Doombreed would have had to be the direct cause of lots of deaths. Khorne hates guys who just sit back and don't fight. It is more likely to be some general working for a dictator than the dictator.

2It can take a long time to entirely fall into khornate worship. many people start of as normal warriors and then gradually become more blood thirsty. If a great warrior made a deal for peace they could still end up as doombreed it's just they haven't become that bloodthirsty yet. Khorne is about bloodshed not just permant rage, its just that following khorne eventually leads to becoming a bezerker. It could still be attila or any other leader who surrendered. If he survived into the 30k milenium he would have plenty of time to change from horourable leader to mad frothing psyco.

He was probably Chuck Norris. That's why Chuck kicks butt, hes a daemon!


Edit: I should probably say he is Chuck Norris but this past/present/future stuff is confusing

Epic lawlz

Holy crap, what if Osama bin Laden is Doombreed?

I'm going to say no to Nero and such. Too Slaaneshi. You might say Khorne wouldn't accept a "pencil-pusher", but I think he'd favor a pencil-pusher who is genuinely motivated by anger and hate than a warrior who kills because he relishes in another "decadent experience".

I always thought Khorne came alive in the classical period, or earlier, but I suppose the fall of Rome could work. Nurgle came with the rise of the black plague, Tzeentch came with the enlightenment.

Hitler or Stalin could work. I think Stalin is the more "Khornate" of the two. Don't forget, Stalin oversaw military operations during the Russian civil war (in which he ordered villages to be burned to the ground, of course), and Hitler was a German soldier during WW1. Neither was a pacifist, and realistically they wouldn't have been able to cause the destruction they did fighting on the front lines. Emperor Quin would work well, I think. Genghis Khan would probably work better than Attila the Hun. Vlad the Impaler might work, but he has a lot of Slaaneshi overtones as well. Alexander was quite Slaaneshi, and a little Tzeentchian, so I don't think I'd say him. Mao was a great fighter against the Chinese nationalists, so he's a candidate (perhaps not bloodthirsty enough later on though; abysmal economic policy just isn't the same as The Holocaust). We may be looking at legendary figures as well; some of the Greek heroes, for instance, would have fit the position of "champion of Khorne" perfectly.

alexwars1 wrote:Holy crap, what if Osama bin Laden is Doombreed?

Again, behind the scenes.

Being in charge or ordering lots of deaths doesn't matter. Khorne isn't like the Nobel Prize guys - he doesn't grant Daemonhood on credit, or because you thought really nasty thoughts about people. He grants Daemonhood because you went out there and personally skinned a couple hundred mother frakkers.

Orkeosaurus wrote:I'm going to say no to Nero and such. Too Slaaneshi. You might say Khorne wouldn't accept a "pencil-pusher", but I think he'd favor a pencil-pusher who is genuinely motivated by anger and hate than a warrior who kills because he relishes in another "decadent experience".

I always thought Khorne came alive in the classical period, or earlier, but I suppose the fall of Rome could work. Nurgle came with the rise of the black plague, Tzeentch came with the enlightenment.

Hitler or Stalin could work. I think Stalin is the more "Khornate" of the two. Don't forget, Stalin oversaw military operations during the Russian civil war (in which he ordered villages to be burned to the ground, of course), and Hitler was a German soldier during WW1. Neither was a pacifist, and realistically they wouldn't have been able to cause the destruction they did fighting on the front lines. Emperor Quin would work well, I think. Genghis Khan would probably work better than Attila the Hun. Vlad the Impaler might work, but he has a lot of Slaaneshi overtones as well. Alexander was quite Slaaneshi, and a little Tzeentchian, so I don't think I'd say him. Mao was a great fighter against the Chinese nationalists, so he's a candidate (perhaps not bloodthirsty enough later on though; abysmal economic policy just isn't the same as The Holocaust). We may be looking at legendary figures as well; some of the Greek heroes, for instance, would have fit the position of "champion of Khorne" perfectly.

How was vlad slanneshi?


and i hope your not basing Alexander the great being slaneshi because of that horrible movie. There is no historical evidence that he had a male lover but rather that was the social norm of the time so its easily assumed. he still conqured and killed many firsthand

Vlad: Elaborate, slow, painful torture mechanisms. Obsession with the perfection of law and order in his country. Takes great pleasure in the aesthetics of death and suffering. I don't see a Khornate as throwing a garden party amongst carefully arranged impaled corpses, many of them still writhing on top of their stakes. I see him as being closer to Lucius than Kharn.

Alexander: Obsession with perfection. Multiculturalism/cosmopolitanism. Lavish sex/drinking. Names a billion cities after himself, adds "the Great" to his name. I don't see a Khornate conquering Persia and then making great strides - often to the protest of his armies - to integrate the foreign people into his society, or to give any considerations to non-martial aspects of their culture. I see him as being more like how I'd imagine Fulgrim; he fights because he wants to great, not because he loves to kill.

How about Jervis Johnson?

You're all wrong. Doombreed is me.

Well, not yet... But you have to think about it. Doombreed can't be Hitler or Stalin or any of those other spankers for 1 reason: they're all dead. It has to be someone who hasn't yet died (and said person won't die any time soon either, because they'll become a daemon before they get the chance.) I am perfectly bloodthirsty already, and all it would take is a little bit of Mayan Apocalypse-induced turmoil for me to rise as a mighty conquerer/murderer/ruler of men. Not to mention I already worship Khorne.

Although if I'm wrong, then it'll probably be H.B.M.C.

Given the criteria for personaly being a good warrior what about one of the Viking warlords or the head of the Germanic tribes that faced the romans? I know Vlad the Impaler was one bloodthirsty S.O.B but a lot of that was execution and torture and not combat.

Fighting battles for the sake of victory (and maybe a little pillaging) seems pretty Khornate to me. Also I'd say the beserkers are pretty heavily modeled on Norse/Germanic warriors.

maybe someone like william the conqurer? Queen buddica? some germanic barbarian chifetan

IronfrontAlex wrote:Queen buddica?

Wouldn't have been Boadicea, but interesting thought. Doombreed is referred to as a warlord but I'm sure there have to be some daemon princes from old Terra that were once female (I consider a daemon to be pretty sexless. Daemonettes are meant to embody male and female beauty which is probably why they have one breast).

MasterDRD wrote:Although if I'm wrong, then it'll probably be H.B.M.C.

I haven't killed nearly enough people yet... I mean at all. I mean ever. I mean... forget I said anything.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

MasterDRD wrote:Although if I'm wrong, then it'll probably be H.B.M.C.

I haven't killed nearly enough people yet... I mean at all. I mean ever. I mean... forget I said anything.

haha outtting yourself on the interweb :p

How about chuck norriss if no ones laready said it. Or even Billy mayes

MasterDRD wrote:You're all wrong. Doombreed is me.

Well, not yet... But you have to think about it. Doombreed can't be Hitler or Stalin or any of those other spankers for 1 reason: they're all dead. It has to be someone who hasn't yet died (and said person won't die any time soon either, because they'll become a daemon before they get the chance.) I am perfectly bloodthirsty already, and all it would take is a little bit of Mayan Apocalypse-induced turmoil for me to rise as a mighty conquerer/murderer/ruler of men. Not to mention I already worship Khorne.

Although if I'm wrong, then it'll probably be H.B.M.C.

No No No your wrong it's me!!!!
2012 will be my unleashing, and khorne has already blessed me! you should see me on the rugby field, i sprained both my ankles on a tackle, took down a guy, grabbed the ball; dodged 3 guys and scored!!! and thats when i was happy!

BOOO1

Lord of battles wrote:

MasterDRD wrote:You're all wrong. Doombreed is me.

Well, not yet... But you have to think about it. Doombreed can't be Hitler or Stalin or any of those other spankers for 1 reason: they're all dead. It has to be someone who hasn't yet died (and said person won't die any time soon either, because they'll become a daemon before they get the chance.) I am perfectly bloodthirsty already, and all it would take is a little bit of Mayan Apocalypse-induced turmoil for me to rise as a mighty conquerer/murderer/ruler of men. Not to mention I already worship Khorne.

Although if I'm wrong, then it'll probably be H.B.M.C.

No No No your wrong it's me!!!!
2012 will be my unleashing, and khorne has already blessed me! you should see me on the rugby field, i sprained both my ankles on a tackle, took down a guy, grabbed the ball; dodged 3 guys and scored!!! and thats when i was happy!

Ok... but how many people have you killed? Khorne wants blood and skulls, not sprained ankles.

Hitler was a supply corpral in ww1 he never saw any action that ive ever heard of. And people that revel in mindless pointless fighting and bloodshed tend to be followers or killed.

I'd say the closest we get in history are the ones that had a upside like vlad's order and laws. warlords that did nothing but pillage and kill tend to be overlooked in the history books.

Again though, nobody who's dead can be Doombreed. One cannot ascend to daemonhood posthumously.

forthefries wrote:Hitler was a supply corpral in ww1 he never saw any action that ive ever heard of.

You need to brush up on your history; Hitler was a runner and was at Ypres, the Somme, Arras and Passchendaele, got shot, blinded by mustard gas and was twice decorated for bravery.

MasterDRD wrote:Again though, nobody who's dead can be Doombreed. One cannot ascend to daemonhood posthumously.

there could be mutation without physical changes, also could be hiding them or being reclusive, even possibly change in form?.

Well, I think there is some Doombred fluff in Apocalypse book. Don't know more :"(, sorry

True, but I'm fairly confident that it can't be Hitler or any dead tyrant who was seen dead. Maybe Jack the Ripper? (for all we know, he could have been a politician of some sort during the daylight hours...)

@master it would pretty much be either some barbarian warlord, Atilla, Khan, possibly vlad?