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Captain Shrike wrote:Whoever the master of the Grey Knights is would be the winner, I mean, the captains are like CM's all to themselves, imagine the warrior that leads them!

No, it wouldn't. Whoever is the GK chapter master would only be trained in fighting daemons and heretics, so much so that he couldn't anticipate what a normal space marine would throw at him.

GK's sometimes fight with normal marines, and against CSM, so I think he would know, also in The Killing Ground, a GK termie capt. kiked the asses of ureil ventris (ultramarine capt), and his seargeant pasanius, at the same time.

Fight them using their rules.. notice how its not clear cut.

Release thread is pointless.

Captain Shrike wrote:Whoever the master of the Grey Knights is would be the winner, I mean, the captains are like CM's all to themselves, imagine the warrior that leads them!

I'm not sure they count, being Grand Masters, not Chapter Masters. That's a whole different league (besides, there's more than one of those.) IF those kinds of SM leaders counted, I think it would be a tie between a GK GM and the Custodes Captain-General. That would be a sight to behold.

Nah, if Constantin Valdor was included, the contest would cease to be a topic for debate. He's been the Emperor's personal bodyguard from when the primarchs were in diapers and the Space Marines hadn't even been considers yet. 10,000 old and still kickin'.

Wait, that guy is still alive? :/

sniperjolly wrote:Nah, if Constantin Valdor was included, the contest would cease to be a topic for debate. He's been the Emperor's personal bodyguard from when the primarchs were in diapers and the Space Marines hadn't even been considers yet. 10,000 old and still kickin'.

Proof!

Give me proof that he died or will die of old age, or will see actual combat after the heresy. He never died, ergo, he is alive. He must have set a record for most terms aboard the high lords.

Aparently they removed that bit from lexicanum.

But he's not a psyker, so a GM would have some chance, maybe. It's not out of the question is what I'm saying, it's just not practical against a guy like that.

Sanguinas because he's dead!

NO DEAD CHARACTERS

It's not even a chapter master -_____-

sniperjolly wrote:Give me proof that he died or will die of old age, or will see actual combat after the heresy. He never died, ergo, he is alive. He must have set a record for most terms aboard the high lords.

Aparently they removed that bit from lexicanum.

yeeeaaahh..... I'm not buying it, that logic has so many holes in it.

fact

Valdor may well still be alive, but the Custodes have never moved from Terra since the Heresy.

I would say that it would be pretty close between all the FIrst Founding Chapter Masters, but more so Dante and Calgar.

Dante, Calgar and Tu'shan were the only chapters during the 1st Armageddon War and they all gave Dante the highest commanding role because of his eleven-hundred years of experience.

Scare crow wrote:
Dante, Calgar and Tu'shan were the only chapters during the 1st Armageddon War and they all gave Dante the highest commanding role because of his eleven-hundred years of experience.

Nope, none of them were. Grimnar was the only one there

Scare Crow you're thinking of the 2nd War for Armageddon, but even then it was only Dane and Tu'shan and Tu'shan had only just become CM.

If Valdor were considered in this topic it would indeed cease to be a conversation. The visions of Heresy book tells of how Valdor was the only person outside of maybe two other primarchs to best Horus in a sparring match.

I'm fairly certain that he was also the custode who brought the leader of the brides of the emperor to the actual golden throne, the events afters this leading to the end of the Age of Apostasy
(Templars had already breached the walls and the space marines were flooding in with the mechanicus so it was only a matter of time anyway)

I mean as much as I love Helbrecht and I'm sure he isn't bottom tier I do have to go with Calgar (killed an Avatar in combat) or Dante(in his 1200 years of life he's probably done gak just as awesome of killing an avatar in one on one)

I don't know, I think Grimnar is just as good as Calgar, and he's almost as old as Dante. He's definately with them.

Also, do the GKs have an overall commander? Like is there only one GM or something?


And yeah, Custodes are supposed to be way more powerful than SM. It's too bad they never leave Terra.

IMO the custodes would be the n°1 contender.

Or an unknown factor could win, like the chapter master of the Raven Guard.

I don't think there is one ruler of the Grey Knights, I think they kinda have a council type thing like the Iron Hands except its between like 3 Grand Masters or something like that.

I think Pugh could be an underdog, I mean as it stands I'd say Lysander on his own as Captain of the first company could be in the running. The guy escaped from an Iron Warriors planet, killing everything in his way without even his power armor on.

So whats this deciding? Whose best fighter or best Chapter Master all round?
Fighting i've got to give it to Calgar, i mean once you punch and take out an avatar of a god there's really not too much more to prove your great.
All round i've got to say Pedro Kantor, keeping the chapter together and functional after the catostrophe of Rynns World had to have taken an extrodinary amount of leadership

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ABADDON. He would beat them all up
Though seriously, my money is on Grimnar.

Snikkyd wrote:Also, do the GKs have an overall commander? Like is there only one GM or something?

There are a few. I'd put my estimates between three and a dozen. I think we've decided they don't count anymore, though.

I too would go for Kantor as best overall CM
I a one on one I'd say Grimnar would beat most If not all, plus he aint afraid to go against anyone (fought the ecclesiarchy just for coming to check on the SW) if he thinks he's in the right.

karimabuseer wrote:
ABADDON. He would beat them all up

Sadly, I think this is actually true(as much as I hate abaddon). No other chapter masters have the supreme favor of 4 gods of chaos, or the masses of the black legion + influence/control over many other legions at his command. Typhus is definitely up there as well.

azrael would wipe the floor with all of them iniative 5 2+/4+ saves 5 str 6 power weapon attacks he is like a mini demon prince of tzentch only cooler

p.s. just a side note him with a command squad consistently wipes half of my opponents army all by themselves the command squad is 2x power weapons 2x meltaguns apothecary and a standard bearer for the extra attack

azrael would wipe the floor with all of them iniative 5 2+/4+ saves 5 str 6 power weapon attacks he is like a mini demon prince of tzentch only cooler

p.s. just a side note him with a command squad consistently wipes half of my opponents army all by themselves the command squad is 2x power weapons 2x meltaguns apothecary and a standard bearer for the extra attack

Unfortunately, if we must go to in-game statistics, you are forgetting that if Calgar makes it to you, the 6 strength 8 PF attacks w/ rerolls on wound and hit are going to make Azreal into meaty chunks, plus the nice STR 4 AP 2 bolter attacks before he even gets into CC.

I say Kyras.

Yeah, loyalty to mah chapter.

There is no Grey Knight Grand Master, they are ultimately commanded by the Ordo Malleus.

Anyway, Heres what would happen:

P.S: This is for laughs, don't take it litteraly

Pool 1: Calgar v Dante = Dante repeatedly jumps over Calgar, who continues slam the floor with his fists, thus smashing it and falling through.
Winner: DANTE
Pool 2: Seth v Grimnar = Seth begins spinning round in circles and Logans weapon is possessed by a demon.
Winner : SETH
Pool 3: Tsu' Gan v Pugh = Pugh cuts of his head to show loyalty to the emperor
Winner: TSU' GAN
Pool 4: Kantor v Azrael = Azrael hides, then Kantor begins to cry because of Rynn's World, then Azrael sits down beside him and cries over Caliban. Kantor stands up and squishes Azrael with his power fist.
Winner: KANTOR

Semis

Tsugan v Dante= Dante tries to scare Tsu' gan with his mask by sticking out his tongue. Tsu' Gan sets Dante on fire.
Winner: TSU' GAN
Seth v Kantor= Kanor does an amazing speech which brings hope to his followers. Seth, who is still running around in circles, cuts him in half.
Winner: SETH

FINALS

Tsu' Gan v Seth= Seth, who is now very tired, dizzy and amazed at how he got this far by spinning around, is overwhelmed by a bloodlust and eats himself.

Overall Winner: Tsu' Gan.

Remember, this is just a joke.

fattyhasarrived wrote:There is no Grey Knight Grand Master, they are ultimately commanded by the Ordo Malleus.

....Yes there is. There are multiple, in fact. They are in the codex. You should read it if you haven't. They're right there, in the HQ section.