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thebetter1 wrote:

DarkHound wrote:Uhh, you'll move in inside the Void Shields of each of them, and they'll be spaced across the board from each other. After moving the 24" to get under their range you won't be able to fire. The Titans proceede to blow apart your flyers, and use any extra weapons to level your army. They could even ignore the Vendettas, kill your army and come back. They've got 12 structure points a peice and AV13 rear armor, and get to regenerate a shield for every structure point they have.

How do you plan on shooting down flyers with titans? Are you spamming vulcan mega-bolters or something? If so, you really deserve to lose; why not take laser blasters instead and leave the enemy flyers for specialist units?

9 Valks/Vends, not real flyers.

troll wrote: 5: MLs own infantry, at least when i use them

And they're made for opening light vehicles. Now you don't suck as much!

Obvious troll is obvious. Also, troll.

ductvader wrote:Would be fun to orbital strike such a large list.

i bet it would lol


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Iron_Chaos_Brute wrote:

thebetter1 wrote:

DarkHound wrote:Uhh, you'll move in inside the Void Shields of each of them, and they'll be spaced across the board from each other. After moving the 24" to get under their range you won't be able to fire. The Titans proceede to blow apart your flyers, and use any extra weapons to level your army. They could even ignore the Vendettas, kill your army and come back. They've got 12 structure points a peice and AV13 rear armor, and get to regenerate a shield for every structure point they have.

How do you plan on shooting down flyers with titans? Are you spamming vulcan mega-bolters or something? If so, you really deserve to lose; why not take laser blasters instead and leave the enemy flyers for specialist units?

9 Valks/Vends, not real flyers.

troll wrote: 5: MLs own infantry, at least when i use them

And they're made for opening light vehicles. Now you don't suck as much!

i use them on light viechles and transports but their much more affective agaisnt infantry, and quite often terminators even especaily when you have around 3 picking them off at long range

My daemons laugh at your list, so many juicy options to tear apart

minipancho94 wrote:
i use them on light viechles and transports but their much more affective agaisnt infantry, and quite often terminators even especaily when you have around 3 picking them off at long range

Autocannons are superior against all targets except T4 multiwound or FNP, even without considering the lower cost. Everyone knows that.

Terminus wrote:

minipancho94 wrote:
i use them on light viechles and transports but their much more affective agaisnt infantry, and quite often terminators even especaily when you have around 3 picking them off at long range

Autocannons are superior against all targets except T4 multiwound or FNP, even without considering the lower cost. Everyone knows that.

i still like the 3 shots better personaly and i have quite a few autocannons in heavy weapons squads, and i can replace the chimera turrets with autocannons from forge world to. i do understand that autocannons are superior though i have more luck with MLs though,

The internet truly is a strange and mysterious place . . .

I've seen plenty of army lists that were supposedly unbeatable get their arses handed to them on a silver platter, so I doubt you'll be the first, OP.

I-bounty-hunt-the-elderly wrote:The internet truly is a strange and mysterious place . . .

I don't think it's that mysterious: we all got trolled here

minipancho94 wrote:i dont have my codex with me at the moment so i cant give the points value, but this list is pretty much un beatable in most game types and will wreck havoc agaisnt most armies.
HQ: one comand sqaud decked out with melta bombs, medipack,vox caster,carapace armour, another but with creed & kell and all the advisors, then a full tech priest sqaud, and minstorum priest with X3eviserators and X2 shotguns, nork deddogg,

TROOPS: 5 infantry platoons with platoon HQ with medipack,platoon standard and vox caster, infantry with vox casters, and a melta gun every 3rd sqaud, as many heavy weapon sqauds i can have with 1/3 with mortars, 1/3 with lascannons and the rest with auto cannons , special weapons teams have snipers 50% then other 25% have melta guns, 25% have nade launchers, 1-5 conscripts to fil in any extra points , 5 chimeras.

ELITES: 3 stormtroopers, 1 with flamer and 2 with meltas, i would take orgyns if they werent exspensive and have to run up on foot.

FAST ATTACK: 3 vendetta sqauds, heavy bolters if any extra points

HEAVY SUPPORT: 2 manticores and 1 death strike with heavy stubber and camo nets. if im lucky first turn 6 large blast templates strength 10 ap 4, insta death to virtauly every one!!!!.

Since you're so comfortable discarding my thoughts on why your list isn't unbeatable, how about this:

1. Download Vassal. Its free. Its a computer program that lets you simulate table-top gaming; IE you can play Warhammer 40k online. Exactly like in real life - you move your models around the table, etc.
2. Download Skype. Its free. Voice-chat while table-top gaming is so much easier than typing, and 90% of the Vassal community has Skype.
3. Meet me online for a game. Build this list, and play-test it. This theoryhammering that you're doing is absolutely useless. If you're absolutely confident that you can't lose, how about putting a wager on the fight? Gift certificate to thewarstore.com for a battleforce box apiece? Paypal?

I'm a big fan of the adage, "Put your money where your mouth is." Alternatively, if you're just being an attention-wh*re and unwilling to back up your assertions to your dominance, then lets just meet for a game for bragging rights. Either you'll spank me and I'll post here that you're awesome and handed me my own tush, or I'll spank you and post here that you're full of it.

I'm Dashofpepper on both Skype and Vassal. When can we play?

Yawn.................

Yeah, right. Anyone can just max out a force org chart. Now build a real list for a real game, say 2000 points. C'mon, let's see it...............

willydstyle wrote:

I-bounty-hunt-the-elderly wrote:The internet truly is a strange and mysterious place . . .

I don't think it's that mysterious: we all got trolled here

Oh no, I get the idea. I just wondered why the OP took the time and trouble to write all this nonsense. Is he a machiavellian genius, sitting in a gothic mansion somewhere, swirling brandy and chuckling at the reactions? Or is he some kid in his parents' basement who genuinely doesn't comprehend the points system and thinks that his brainchild is the best army because high numbers confuse him? I just don't get what some people on the internet are trying to do.

This thread makes me both lol and weep.

L. Wrex

I think this is quite new.

Nobody has actually posted a counter list yet!

Remember kids, don't feed the Trolls!

aromasin wrote:I think this is quite new.

Nobody has actually posted a counter list yet!

Remember kids, don't feed the Trolls!

Counter list: infinite CSM daemons.

I thought the two Imperator Titans was enough of a counter. That, or like 16 Baneblades.

@dashofpepper
I've never heard of vassal. Is it free to download and play?
and OP. all codexes have things that are designed to kill things from other codexes so someone just designs a blast toting army to take on your guard horde.

VikingScott wrote:@dashofpepper
I've never heard of vassal. Is it free to download and play?
and OP. all codexes have things that are designed to kill things from other codexes so someone just designs a blast toting army to take on your guard horde.

the reason why i say my list is unbeatable is that its well balanced enough to counter any major weaknesses it should have, i posted it on here to see if any one found one i over looked. also vassal is free though vassal 40k is a pain in the ass to find and i never found a working file of vassal 40k i found one with epic armagedon and blood bowl with it but the 40k file would not download, might be win rar. but i have not been able to find a working vassal 40k file and skype lags you connection in all the cases ive seen (not your computer but everyone else on the conection)


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Also as ductvader said i mainly put unbeat-able to get attention and get as many peoples counters to find my list weaknesses, and for the 2000 point list ill have one up eventauly

please... use stuff like the enter key or a full stop or something.

A weakness would be low ld. You may have creed but some of that massive troops section will be away from his influence.

VikingScott wrote:please... use stuff like the enter key or a full stop or something.

A weakness would be low ld. You may have creed but some of that massive troops section will be away from his influence.

ill have another company comand sqaud and then 6 platoon comand sqauds spread out, and the conscripts are just cannon fodder in the first place





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oh nvm i forgot to give the platoon HQs standards lol

No, the reason you say your list is unbeatable is because you have no idea what the hell you're doing.

Things in your army that are immensely stupid:

You are sitting closer to 4000 points than 2000.

Medipacks in platoon commands - Why? It almost doubles the cost of the unit, uses up a special weapon slot, and doesn't make them that much more survivable. Considering their whole appeal is their points efficiency, this is a colossal fail.

Standards in platoon commands - Why? What the hell are you expecting to defeat in close combat, even with the +1 resolution?

Voxes in platoon commands - Why? You already have 6 high-quality orders from your Command Squads. When I only run a single CCS, there have been a few isolated occasions where I had to rely on a platoon command for an Incoming or Run Run Run! order, but again, you already have 6 high-quality orders, and 4 of them can be tested on Ld10.

All the advisors - Keep in mind your command squads have to be mounted and mobile if you want to use Bring it Down, as both they and the unit receiving the order need LOS. This makes the Master of Ordnance even more suck than he already is. Also, if you have LOS to them, they have LOS to you. Have fun with the maybe one turn your 550 point command squad will stay alive.

Lascannon heavy weapon squads - 120 points for three T3 models? Really? The funniest part is that they aren't even that effective with their unreliable Ld and BS.

Conscripts - if you are fielding these guys for any reason other than some absolutely crucial fluff or themed scenario, you have 0 ability to judge the quality of a unit.

Stormtroopers - overpriced, underwhelming garbage.

SWSs with sniper rifles/GLs - what do you expect these squads to do except give up easy kill points, not do much of anything, and run away 1/2 the time something shoots at them?

Camo on heavy support - about the biggest waste of points in the codex, right alongside practically every other thing you've thrown into this abortion of a list.

Nork - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! If you at any point, for any reason, thought Nork was worth half his cost, then you need to toss these pie in the sky ideas of yours, and go back to playing with the starter box until you have at least a tenuous grasp on how this game works.

Oh no, I get the idea. I just wondered why the OP took the time and trouble to write all this nonsense. Is he a machiavellian genius, sitting in a gothic mansion somewhere, swirling brandy and chuckling at the reactions? Or is he some kid in his parents' basement who genuinely doesn't comprehend the points system and thinks that his brainchild is the best army because high numbers confuse him? I just don't get what some people on the internet are trying to do.

I got a kick out of this =O

Though in all seriousness... someone needs to shut down this thread...

Terminus wrote:No, the reason you say your list is unbeatable is because you have no idea what the hell you're doing.

QFT.

Hmm If someone were to deep strike the doom of Malenti right beside of all those platoons, how many would it kill I wonder in the first 2 shooting phases??

My Space Marine army would lose to this, simply because I cannot take even close to 8000 points using the normal FOC.

i was at school so i couldnt reply till now

Explains so much...

Well for a single troops chioce BA can take a 30man death company squad all with thunder hammers.
chuck in astroth the grim thats a potential 90 s8 attacks on the charge, re-rolling failed hits and wounds.

and the 30 man unit is like 1000pts.
And there is 6 troops choices available on a standerd fos

Everyone is wrong, no one is right.

Why doesn't he just make the 20000 point legal IG list and put that up, may not be good but might beat it.

I agree more on the make a 2000pt list and see how well you do. I agree, it looks more like a "hey I maxed out the FOC hurray me!"

Besides, Ive rarely seen a guard army THAT big anyways. And normally those points carry some baneblades and the like

minipancho94 wrote:

VikingScott wrote:@dashofpepper
I've never heard of vassal. Is it free to download and play?
and OP. all codexes have things that are designed to kill things from other codexes so someone just designs a blast toting army to take on your guard horde.

the reason why i say my list is unbeatable is that its well balanced enough to counter any major weaknesses it should have, i posted it on here to see if any one found one i over looked. also vassal is free though vassal 40k is a pain in the ass to find and i never found a working file of vassal 40k i found one with epic armagedon and blood bowl with it but the 40k file would not download, might be win rar. but i have not been able to find a working vassal 40k file and skype lags you connection in all the cases ive seen (not your computer but everyone else on the conection)


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Also as ductvader said i mainly put unbeat-able to get attention and get as many peoples counters to find my list weaknesses, and for the 2000 point list ill have one up eventauly

If your only problem is that you can't find it....here:

www.vassalengine.org is where you'll find the vassal engine.
http://www.sendspace.com/file/ma6ik2 is the latest 40k module. Has Tyranid, Space Wolf, and Blood Angel sprites.

As for Skype, I have 20MB/20MB up and down, and I host calls to prevent call lag. Its not uncommon for me to have 4-6 dakka-ites on a conference call during a game while we all chat, talk about Gwar's mom, have Gwar call us bloody Americans, while Iron Chaos Brute has to mute his microphone so we aren't deafened by the train thundering by every 8 minutes outside his window, and soon we'll have Reecius telling us about his exploits with women after this weekend....great fun talking to other folks.

Any other objections? I presume not - get it all set up, and we'll get in a game soon.