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Yeah, the orange's really nice, looks like he's just come out of the "Tiger Meet" NATO event!!

Small concern : is that a mould line on his left leg?!?

Also love Sgt. Hunzuu, the black + blue + purple + white scheme looks awesome!! And yes, those BA kits are nicely detailed indeed...

Very nice Ice.... I like 'im.

You should give one golden shoes and change his last name to something stupid like two numbers in a different language!

@ Yggdrasil - Thanks! Hunzuu is nearly completed but he has been put on the back burner as I start up on these Astral Claws, I may have to finish him up though as he is taking up space in my painting area. I am ashamed to admit it but that is a mold line on my that Astral Claw, I don't know how I missed it when I was putting him together, but I didn't notice it until he was primed.

@ Gitsplitta - Thanks Git! I hope they look as good as your vets do. I am already beginning to feel you pain of painting a camo scheme, lol.

@ WM - How about "EIN ZWEI" ? lol, i kind of like that. Maybe I should change my name..........

Yeah, the camo bit can be a bit daunting... but keep at it. You'll get more comfortable with it as time goes on and it'll become easier. I find I need to take a break from it and do other projects once in a while to keep my mind fresh.

OK, the below list is a list of all of the chapters involved in the Badab War, other then the four Wardens of the Maelstrom.

Fire Hawks
Marines Errant
Red Scorpions
Minotaurs
Novamarines
Howling Griffons
Star Phantoms
Exorcists
Fire Angels
Salamanders
Space Sharks
Sons of Medusa
Raptor Legion

As I work on my Astral Claws the plan is to have the bodies of the before mentioned marines on the bases. They will also be painted in the old schemes, not the new Forgeworld ones. Even though I like the new schemes almost as much as the old ones. I'll be using this list as a way to keep track of who I've used already. I don't want to leave any one out! Now the hard part. Who should I do first?

Exorcists, and if you can get a GS press mould from a libby for the chapter badge.

SPAAAAAACCCCEEE SHARKS!!

I say you should do exorcists. I did one a few months ago and found it to be very fun.

Here is the link if you are interested (he is missing Death Watch pad) http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/153215-.html?m=2

Love the marine with stripes! He reminds me of the tiger off the Frosted flakes packet (in a good way of course )

Edit-just had to change that link as it was bothering me!

Da Spaze Sharkz fo sho!

Just came across this thread and I'm liking the look of it a lot
One question: How did you get that orange to look so awesome??

So 2 for space sharks and 2 for exorcists. I think in this case I'll do the space sharks first, only because my marine is jumping off the shoulder pad of the dead guy. I really like the idea of the GS mold so I may want that shoulder pad to be a bit more visible.

@ Sandyman - Orange is one of my favorite colors but I never liked the look of all orange marines, they were either to bright or I didn't like the highlighting. More often then not it was the highlighting that would bother me so when I started messing around with these guys I started with a Calthan Brown/Macharius Solar Orange mix. Then highlighted up to straight Macharius Solar Orange. The final highlight was the Macharius Orange mixed with a little bit of white. Nothing to over the top. I am not sure if using the foundation paints in this manner is regular, but for this project it's turning out quite well.

Raptor Legion for the win! haha. I don't like the Space Sharks! the name bothers me!

Sageheart wrote:Raptor Legion for the win! haha. I don't like the Space Sharks! the name bothers me!

Would you prefer the Carcadons? which is there "new" name.

Carachadons actually. :p

Thanks for the orange mix Ice, I may have to try it out at some point, although it will probably turn out terrible, as I've never mixed paints or highlighted before
Also I think you tiger stripes came out brilliantly, it's not too 'in your face', yet they're still noticeable, good job!

wolfshadow wrote:Carachadons actually. :p

/rant begin
Really, I think its a terrible name. Space Wolves and Space Sharks are both perfectly 40k chapter names. Why change one of them, regardless of how popular it is? Plus Space Sharks, were done to the same cheesy degree as Space Wolves originally I think it's a shame they are trying to change it. That's my only disappointment with the forgeworld Badab war stuff. They could have easily written their two books elaborating on what was already known they didn't have to go back and change stuff.
/rant end

Sandyman11 wrote:Thanks for the orange mix Ice, I may have to try it out at some point, although it will probably turn out terrible, as I've never mixed paints or highlighted before
Also I think you tiger stripes came out brilliantly, it's not too 'in your face', yet they're still noticeable, good job!

Thanks for the kind words on the stripes. Please let me know how it turns out when you try it. The sooner you start messing around with mixing paints and highlighting the sooner you'll figure it out. Trust me, you can read all the tutorials and watch all the videos but until you actually do it it doesn't really sink in, at least for me.

I am also a bit annoyed with the change of the name. If they decided to use a bad name they should just go with it..not change it, you know what I mean?

I think you could really make the space sharks look cool if you do them! haha. but I like some of the other chapters just since i barely know much about them.

Weren't the Lameters also a part of the Badab war? I could be mistaken, which chapter was it which basically got killed off by the blood angels (I think) , and the ultramarines, then went on a crusade like the mantis warriors only to get trashed by a tyranid army and now are basically an almost ruined chapter... they seem funny since they just always get knocked apart each time they get into battle. my friend is converting an army for them.

I don't know much about the Badab war, can someone put up a quick summery of it?

I think that's the Lamentors.

okay, i wasn't sure. They are starting to become my favorate chapter, would love to see what you would do with them! Just hearing my friend explain how many times they got torn apart made me realize how much it mimics sometimes our playing style: try, end up trashed. haha

Badab War - Brief Summary

Astral Claws, Mantis Warriors, and Lamenters are tasked with guarding the Maelstrom, which is like a smaller Eye of Terror. They are fantastic at what they do and become very recognized because of it. They also become very powerful as they control a large area of space and everything goes to them. The Lamenters for example have a super powerful fleet and the Astral Claws have a near endless supply of rhinos and bolters. Without getting too drawn out or detailed, the Astral Claws piss off the Imperium because they want to do things there way and so the Imperium sends an emissary that gets killed. They then send an Inquisitor that finds out the Astral Claws are doing some fishy stuff. The Inquisitor then brings in all of the above mentioned chapters, meanwhile the Astral Claws get the Lamenters and Mantis Warriors to help defend their space. They also call in a favor from the Executioner chapter which help out as well. It ends up being a huge long drawn out war that ends up the Astral Claws using the Mantis Warriors, Executioners, and Lamenters as meat shields before retreating into the Maelstrom to become the Red Corsairs.

The Astral Claws are declared rebels and the other three chapters are forced to go on crusades to repent their mistake. The neat thing about the situation is that chaos isn't involved at all. The Red Corsairs are more like pirates then an army of chaos marines. It's a very political war with a lot of cool characters and plot twists.

actually you're wrong on that last count huron in fact was corrupted by chaos

Actually, CalasTyphon216, you may be right in the end, but nothing states Chaos was involved at first...

As IceAngel described it, I think it's more of a difference in point of views, that led to the Astral Claws' defection to Chaos.

For, once they had to flee to the Maelstrom, what other choice did they have to survive but to embrace Chaos?

On a side note, maybe you should try and be less dogmatic in your answers : "You are wrong, I am right" never ends up good here in Dakka...
We all have the right to have our own points of views & interpretations of the "grim events of the dark future"...

[edit : couldn't spell IceAngel correctly ]

lol sorz bout that that wasn't me that was my cousin he keeps messing around with my laptop when im not looking

My evil twin Skippy does that to me all the time... little b*stard... :-)

lolz,

Ice raises a good point though, just because something bad happens doesn't automatically mean Chaos are involved. Annoying modern equiv. something like Al-Queda(spelt wrong I'm sure) everytime there is extremist action its these guys if you listen to the press. Never mind the thousands of other groups that may actually be involved.

I think its time we started creating some other insidious beings for the grim dark far future. For starters genestealer cults need to be resurrected absolutely loved that in the lore....anyways I'm sure I could ramble on about this.

Bottom line it isn't always the dark gods for jeebus sake.

I *think* from the fluff I've seen from a variety of sources, that it's pretty clear the Huron was corrupted by chaos, and that it had begun to affect his legion in subtle ways. But it's also clear that the Corsairs are not a typical choas legion either. It may be the the outward effects of chaos on them are much more subdued and more limited to philosophy and behavior than the overt physical effects is has on the heresy legions.

So in a way I think both sides are correct in this... chaos IS involved... but it's main manifestation in the Corsairs is in their behavior and hubris, not on their physical forms.

I think its third edition fluff that has the Red Corsairs as a band of marines from a whole heap of chapters. I remember seeing a few shot of miniatures painted in their original chapter colours but with a red cross over their heraldry.

I think I need to clarify myself here just a bit. I never got the impression that chaos was involved in the Badab War, it always seemed very political and merely an argument that escalated to the extreme. Even in the huge major battles throughout the war there were never any demons or rituals or crazy sorcerer or anything of that nature. Once the Astral Claws and the left over secessionists fled into the Maelstrom they renamed themselves and became the Red Corsairs. Now, down the road I am pretty sure they became involved with chaos to some extent but I feel like its an important part of the Badab War to note. It wasn't a typical chaos driven rebellion. It was arguing over shipping lanes, cargo rites, and bureaucratic garbage that turned into an all out war.

On the other hand I am sure we could argue that chaos was behind it all along, blah blah blah, but I wanted to give just a BRIEF summary for Sageheart so that he could better get a feel for the situation.

Now, for a small update.


After taking this picture I did notice a handful of little things I need to fix. I need to do a better job of blending. At any rate, I am slowly making some progress. I need to get a bit to drill out some gun barrels and I'll be able to slap some guns on these guys. Whats the size on the bit for that?

Looking very good Ice... excellent work!

You figure 3 other chapters were working closely with the Tiger Claws at the time, so I agree... no obvious taint was visible at the time... and the early fluff certainly doesn't support it. Some of the later stuff suggests some early influences, but again... not enough to alarm their allied chapters so it couldn't have been that much or that wide spread even with the revisionist narrative.