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orkishlyorkish wrote:There's no swearing...

This coming from someone who has just written in another thread...

No I don't see what you're getting at. You're being stupid and ignorant JUST because you wouldn't cheat. If someone you played and had fun with, had cheated and you NEVER found out, wouldn't you still have had the same amount of fun? I think you're just being a fraking donkey-cave and that you should learn to think before you open your goddamn mouth, you stupid chowderhead. ffs either give me god damn advice like I ASKED in the OP, or gtfo.

Busted.

Parents who want to prevent their children from being exposed to violent content, especially violence that requires the involvement of the person (cue God of War execution scenes) are plain stupid.

Violence in games is a necesity these days. The human being that lives in this world is inherently violent. Everything around them pushes them forward to hurt and kill. Stress, pressure, mental disorders, man is inclined to violence since it gets involved with the world. In these cases, artificial violence lets us blow off all that violence without hurting anyone.

Killing people is bad. Does this means I'm being evil when I look at a german soldier who just threw down his weapon and is trying to surrender, take out my rifle, shoot him in the knee, blow off his arm and them slash his neck open, giggling the whole time? No! And why is that? It's because nobody is actually getting hurt! So what if you destroy the entire world single-handedly and kill a bunch of people who have done nothing wrong just because they were standing in your way? They're not actually dying! It's all just a videogame! Quite a fun one, by the way, but I don't see much replay value into it. Kratos also felt a bit odd to me in that one sometimes. Anyways...

To sum up, performing horrible acts of debauchery and violence with your space elf pirates is okay. Actually arranging a bunch of pirates to go around doing that is not.

Now that we're talking about stupid parents keeping stuff from their children, can you believe there are kids who actually were unaware of the fact that their hamburgers were made out of dead cows? They looked quite freaked out about it too. Oh, and their parents didn't look too thrilled either.

40k's violence is as strong as you and your friends make it out to be. The fluff, sure is violent, but as a parent why not just explain the rules and make it a "good guys vs bad guys" game? No diff than any other game kids play. I mean, that's like saying chess is graphic because you're picturing in your mind a knight slicing down an innocent pawn.

It's all context

You know, I've been thinking, in a regular history class there's as much violence as in a 40k game. Last year our teacher showed us pictures of people getting napalm'ed. They were naked too. Probably because their clothes had burned out while they were wearing them.

Belexar wrote:You know, I've been thinking, in a regular history class there's as much violence as in a 40k game. Last year our teacher showed us pictures of people getting napalm'ed. They were naked too. Probably because their clothes had burned out while they were wearing them.

Well honestly showing kids this kind of stuff is a good thing, it actually happened, it's fething horrific, and they need to understand that real war isn't a game.

Isn't this thread already posted, like, 2 years ago?

Did you really think this thread was so fascinating you should post it again: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/249331.page

Edit: Curse my metal body.

Yep, that's the one.

Well there is a lot of violence and blood in the codex fluff(and you need to have your own codex for tourneys and referance)

also some of the conversions, bits etc can be pretty gorey and violent

ex:

this will probably give kids nightmares for a while if the chaos artwork and fluff doesn't

(not an official gw thing but its obvious that it is directed at 40k chaos players looking for khorne conversions)

Meh, saying that Wh40k is not violent is pretty wrong. I mean, we should at least admit that our game about space soldiers killing aliens contains violence. It's in the fluff (well pretty much everything, but if you need examples: every wh40k novel ever written, Fabius Gallus, all of Chaos, Dark Eldar... you get the point everyone shoots, chops and tortures everyone) and it's in the game (Yes you can't see the actual killing but sending my Khorne Berszerkers with chainsaw axes, pistols and skulls everywhere into "Close combat" against, dunno, any Dark Eldar unit, isn't exactly peaceful). Now that we got that out of the way, yes it's not the most violent thing around and by the time kids start watching the news or get decent history or literature classes it won't really matter anymore. But to say the parents are unfit to have a child and should abort (I assume you wrote this in a state of rage or something) because they prefer video games over a tabletop war game is plain silly. You know that not every video game is Dead Island or Manhunt? There are far far worse things that parents can do, then be concerned about what their children get into. Not saying that kids shouldn't play Wh40k or that parents should have total control over what their kids do, but would I give a 10 year old a wh40k book to read where tyranids fire flesh eating parasites at the soldiers of a military regime? Not sure...

By the way, this thread has been done before in the most literal sense 2 years ago.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/249331.page

I guess the OP will be along any time soon to explain how this could have happened twice.

Howard A Treesong wrote:By the way, this thread has been done before in the most literal sense 2 years ago.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/249331.page

I guess the OP will be along any time soon to explain how this could have happened twice.

You mean, you guess the OP will never post again because he was caught?

Thranriel wrote:
Put it this way:

Your not going to wake up, pick up the paper (or search the news) and see a headline:
"40K PLAYER SHOOTS 100 PEOPLE SHOUTING "DAKKA""

Yeah.

I mean...why would 100 people be shouting "DAKKA" while some guy shot them? It makes no sense!

/sorry...couldn't resist
//granted...I could completely understand wanting to shoot a bunch of people shouting like that...

I loved how most people who read the OP seemed to look at "videogames" and changed that into "graphically violent videogames".

For all you know, she was talking about buying Mario, not God of War.

I am just saying.

Also, as a setting, 40k is of course incredibly violent. One of the most violent and grimdark I can recall (Only Berserk might be worse in that regard).

40k is a really violent universe but that violence doesn't carry over to the tabletop unless you're using your imagination. Your plastic spacemen don't bleed. Also, pretty much everything in 40k is stuff that 12 year olds think is the coolest gak ever, and most kids come up with ludicrously violent things without really thinking about it. Just sounds like parents being a little too overbearing.

It depends. Video games can be Violent but how many Women or Girls play games that are?

I sure as hell was And reading some fairly graphic novels fair worse than 40k. When it came time to read to the teacher when I was reading Clan of the Cave Bear at ten, I'd skip back from the very steamy, raunchy scene I was in the middle of (and yes, my parents were well aware I was reading, they never tried to stop me reading adult books), and read to the teacher 10 pages of scenary instead.

But I could outplay my male friends at Doom by the time I was twelve, no sweat.

Theres plenty of violence in 40k, maybe not in the table top game toooo much, apart from the odd Khorne army covered in blood, of which I have seen quite a few (nurgles never nice to look at either mind you), but in the books and the fluff and such, there is more than you will find in any other fictional universe.

I mean, they carry chainswords...JUST CAUSE!

40k is violence. It is ONLY violence in some ways.

If those parents would have only stopped to "40K is violent so it's a no no for you baby" it would have been fine. The game is not so good for a growing child and could provoke "deviations" on point of views etc. Silly, but could happen.
Also there is the monetary problem, you buy a bunch of models that costs an enormity... and what if he/she wants more ?

The real problem is what they said later... Video Games are better. That is shocking. 40k at least is a game with REAL people, it's a game where you have to build the army, paint it, learn some rules... it makes you mind and body act and improve (as any other board game). If we consider that videogames for consoles and PC are mostly violence and partial nudity (at least the good ones...mostly) this makes me wonder ... a lot.

They might get to the kid Modern Warfare 3, with backstabbing, shooting etc. That is not good either IMHO. Back in the days of my youth I played a lot with FPS like Doom and Wolfenstein, but they were different, the graphic was so fake that it was obvious it was for fun... nowadays it's different. Damn different, especially for videogames loosly based on the modern world situation.

At least in my humble opinion.

If you take away all the fluff and background, you basically end up with something about as violent as chess. Or if you give chess the fluff and background, it would be like 40k.....ish.

Arandmoor wrote:
Yeah.

I mean...why would 100 people be shouting "DAKKA" while some guy shot them? It makes no sense!

/sorry...couldn't resist
//granted...I could completely understand wanting to shoot a bunch of people shouting like that...

Hahaha you got me there! I have always been bad at english!

Anyway I got involved in 40k when I was 5. I read all the fluff and stuff, made lists (real bad ones) and I can honestly say that (for me) the only time I thought of actual violence was when some guy's unit of those IG on horses (the name is lost on me) destroyed a whole bunch of stuff. It wounded me so bad I can still remember it...
Still other games have a much more graphical (obviously) violence which will really start off some kid with an overactive mind. Sure 40k is violent but in some ways its probably better for you than a video game. Using maths, complicated rules to be worked out, painting (art) skills, using your creativness on lists, paint schemes, making stories (in the theme of something else which is fairly hard apparently for some kids) and social interraction, especially when you disagree, its important to know how to deal with that.

Did I turn out ok in the end?
No. But the voices in my head say thats fine.

...having recently read a book in which a Chaos Legion are meeting in the 'screaming cathedral' where the walls and floors are made of captured prisoners surgically grafted together and kept alive in maddening pain only by machinery, as they plan to murder as many people as possible as a sacrifice for their gods... they sort of have a point.

Or, they just didn't want to tell their kid, "There's no way I'm spending $400 on plastic models."

Maybe don't read so much into it.

I don't know, I made do with a new unit once every 6-12 months (perhaps with a blister or two on the side!). I was content to paint & repaint those until I had more models. Parents don't -have- to buy full armies for their children - I was able to turn up to the local GW store with my 10 Mordians and 10 Valhallans and my Mordian/Praetorian/Valhallan Command Squad* and take part in big battles during the holidays and on 'starter' Sundays.

*When you rely on occasional pocket money & birthday/Christmas, you find yourself buying the blister with models you -love- the look of. So I had the Valhallan flamer & vox duo, Mordian lascannon and Praetorian Senior Officer for a Command Squad.

Is 40k violent? Hell yes. But it's better than most video games. Not just because of video games showing violence either, at least in 40k you develop reading, maths, planning and (well, sometimes) social skills.

Yes it is.

1) It's a wargame. Even if it's a fictional, stylized portrayal of warfare, it deals with war and war is violent, as you probably know.

2) 40k is pretty graphic if compared to other franchises. You won't see a teenaged farmhand blossoming into a gorey flower with a burst of gurgling noises (yep, it's in the Chaos Daemons bit of the BRB) in the Star Trek universe.

3) In a different note, it portrays an universe where political and religious extremism run rampant. Its imagery borrows heavily from horror, dystopia, the occult, and some sci-fi concepts and ideas most people would find hard to stomach. 40k is bleak and depressing, sometimes ironic, sometimes downright cynical.

And I love it.

Now, in all seriousness, 40k is not LOTR in space or a different brew of Star Wars. Some aspects of the game could make some people uncomfortable, and I acknowledge some parents might find it troubling (When I first got to play it, I was afraid my very Roman Catholic parents would find 40k "satanic", "fascist", "a mockery of religion" or something. Good thing they are avid sci-fi and fantasy readers as well ).

If 40k troubles you, ignore the worrysome bits or stay away from the game entirely.

Void__Dragon wrote:I loved how most people who read the OP seemed to look at "videogames" and changed that into "graphically violent videogames".

For all you know, she was talking about buying Mario, not God of War.

I am just saying.

Also, as a setting, 40k is of course incredibly violent. One of the most violent and grimdark I can recall (Only Berserk might be worse in that regard).

Mario is about as violent as a 40k tabletop session. You spend all day crushing goombas to boddy pulps, rip the shells out of koopas and beat them with it, burn enemies to crist with fireballs from your hands... It's one big bloodfest.

Yes, but in the end, you save the Princess and she's not a nude, one-breasted horror with crab-claws for hands and a forked tongue equipped with venomous fangs.

The only time I found 40k to be to violent is when in the middle of a game we came under rocket and mortar attack...in afghanistan, but I can see the rational for its imagery and tones could warp little ones minds a bit, after all "slaves to darkness" was the first game rules book to carry a mature readers warning label on it.

Soo'Vah'Cha wrote:The only time I found 40k to be to violent is when in the middle of a game we came under rocket and mortar attack...in afghanistan, but I can see the rational for its imagery and tones could warp little ones minds a bit, after all "slaves to darkness" was the first game rules book to carry a mature readers warning label on it.

I can see how being atttacked with rockets and mortars would make a game pretty violent.