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Thanks about the report, dude.

Steel Lions I've swapped for this G.K army. I am playing against my old Steel Lions next week. Report will be posted, stay tuned

Well, I enjoyed your report even though the result was foretold from the army list, and not even the GK army list, just the poor Tyranid one.

Good photos and well told.

To the detractors, I'm a noob Tyranid player and I got something from it.

Thanks.

happygolucky wrote:Nice bat rep, personally the I can see why people are angry, however nobody should be giving criticism to Mercer if they are not going (or willing) to give out CONSTRUCTIVE criticism.

There was. "Clubbing baby seals" is an appropriate image no matter how you put it.

I'm following lots of reports here on Dakka to understand how people play their armies, even if they sometimes do mistakes.
I myself did lots of mistake playing 40k, and my opponents did too.
Some of those let my opponents win, some of those helped me to overcome bad situations.
When we realized which mistakes have been done, we laughed at it and tried to understand that rule and remember it better.
Do you know why? Because this is a game, and we want to have fun with it. Sure, some people wants to test themselves in GT and ToS, some others prefer following the "fluff" and building thematic armies. Some others get the models they like the most and fill the list with 'em. Some are competitive, some are not.
Is this unbalanced? I don't think so. Maybe it's just because I think that MY objective in this game is to have a good afternoon-evening with friends and other people, playing toy-soldiers and forgetting everyday's routine.
So, no noob vs. spam problems here. I think AJ was beaten hard, but I think he realized something (strategic-side) and had a good evening with Mercer, and maybe now they are more friends than they were before, and so both won.
No, they haven't both won the game, but that's not the important side of the matter.

my two copperz

Frankvas wrote:Well, I enjoyed your report even though the result was foretold from the army list, and not even the GK army list, just the poor Tyranid one.

Good photos and well told.

To the detractors, I'm a noob Tyranid player and I got something from it.

Thanks.

Thanks man.

Nix wrote:I'm following lots of reports here on Dakka to understand how people play their armies, even if they sometimes do mistakes.
I myself did lots of mistake playing 40k, and my opponents did too.
Some of those let my opponents win, some of those helped me to overcome bad situations.
When we realized which mistakes have been done, we laughed at it and tried to understand that rule and remember it better.
Do you know why? Because this is a game, and we want to have fun with it. Sure, some people wants to test themselves in GT and ToS, some others prefer following the "fluff" and building thematic armies. Some others get the models they like the most and fill the list with 'em. Some are competitive, some are not.
Is this unbalanced? I don't think so. Maybe it's just because I think that MY objective in this game is to have a good afternoon-evening with friends and other people, playing toy-soldiers and forgetting everyday's routine.
So, no noob vs. spam problems here. I think AJ was beaten hard, but I think he realized something (strategic-side) and had a good evening with Mercer, and maybe now they are more friends than they were before, and so both won.
No, they haven't both won the game, but that's not the important side of the matter.

my two copperz

Well before our game I didn't know AJ that much. I've now got to know him a lot more. He's also got a lot of Tyranid advice from me and also a new list too. He learnt a lot of things in game and I helped him with quite a few tactics.

mercer wrote:[I'm pretty sure I've contributed more to this forum than you have, all you've contributed is taking server space. From what you say, I guess you won't be any dumber for reading this report as your intelligence couldn't get any lower.

Contributed? Not even close. Having a large post count does not mean you know what you are talking about. This report is one of many from you which serious players laugh at (at worst) and dismiss outright (at most). Don't feed your ego with that talk.

Janthkin I thought you were policing personal attacks and deleting posts to make your forum look nice. Did you miss this one?


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-666- wrote: Seriously the table needs a lot more terrain with some blocking LOS.

The winner didn't think so because he had guns in his army and his opponent did not.

I think we can leave the personal attacks out of this now please.

Looks about even so we'll chalk that up as a draw and move. Thanks.

I appreciate the earth shattering importance of the events concerned, but sometimes it's best just to shrug and move on.

You'll live longer and be happier.

So did the Tyranid player get some cover saves against your dreads shooting over the rhinos? Curious since one of the barrels is going to be obscured and against stealers and gaunts maybe even both.

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The genestealers were in cover anyway the last several times.

NVM

Not sure what you're trying to get at here, man or what point you're trying to make. if you read the report you would know that genestealers and termagants got cover. here's another low down for you:

Turn 1 raveners got cover from terrain. turn 2 hormagaunts got cover most the time thanks to terrain. turn 3 tervigon got cover thanks to terrain. turn 4 both stealers got cover from area terrain and teramgants got cover as i suggested to aj move into cover and go to ground.

hope that clarifies what units got cover

I edited my post because what I was getting at was irrelevant to your game on further reflection and it wasn't worth getting into (cause the save on the TMC is better then cover anyways). But I guess my ninja skills were too slow

But since you replied, dreads don't usually clear shots over rhinos yet GK players try to do it all the time. It prolly meant very little in this game, just wasn't sure how it was being played by you or your group.

This table is rather bland: one type of terrain (ruins).

I'd prefer to see a table with a mix of terrain types (LOS blocking, area terrain, rubble/light cover, difficult ground, etc.

A table should have the potential to force players to alter default deployment formations, tactics, etc. or allow a player to try to utilize it to hinder opponent or help his own army.

It should require movement, maneouvering, etc.

It should interact with the armies and scenario to create a unique experience and tactical challenges.

winterman wrote:I edited my post because what I was getting at was irrelevant to your game on further reflection and it wasn't worth getting into (cause the save on the TMC is better then cover anyways). But I guess my ninja skills were too slow

But since you replied, dreads don't usually clear shots over rhinos yet GK players try to do it all the time. It prolly meant very little in this game, just wasn't sure how it was being played by you or your group.

I know what you mean about the Dreadnoughts, the autocannons have to point up over them a little bit. If in doubt I would check LOS from the barrels and see how much of the unit could be seen for working out cover. Most the time it didn't matter as it was clear enough if things were or wasn't in cover or just plainly too big to get cover i.e mycetic spores.

CT GAMER wrote:This table is rather bland: one type of terrain (ruins).

I'd prefer to see a table with a mix of terrain types (LOS blocking, area terrain, rubble/light cover, difficult ground, etc.

A table should have the potential to force players to alter default deployment formations, tactics, etc. or allow a player to try to utilize it to hinder opponent or help his own army.

It should require movement, maneouvering, etc.

It should interact with the armies and scenario to create a unique experience and tactical challenges.

Unfortunately we don't have that luxury at the club I play. There's lots of fiddly bits of terrain, not a huge amount of tall stuff. It also depends how early you get there to get the creme of the crop of terrain. Terrain however doesn't need to interact with scenarios as most people play standard missions out the book. Terrain only needs to work with custom scenarios and if those are included.

mercer wrote:If in doubt I would check LOS along the barrels and see how much of the unit could be seen for working out cover.

Fixed that for you.

If you're pointing the barrels up, you're shooting the sky.

The barrels aren't pointing up at the sky, they are pointing 45 degrees upwards over the Rhino. They can draw LOS downwards easily.

The operative word is "along".
That means in the direction the barrel is pointed. Not in a direction other than the one the barrel is pointed.

No, the barrels have a 45 degree vision width ways and they have down, it's called true LOS. You don't just measure in a straight line and go over something. If you can see from the barrel then it's game.

Anyway, this discussion is pointless as this situation never came into affect. Tyranids were getting cover from terrain, not from my own units.

Can you bring terrain to the club to use? Just curious.

mercer wrote:No, the barrels have a 45 degree vision width ways and they have down, it's called true LOS. You don't just measure in a straight line and go over something. If you can see from the barrel then it's game.

Anyway, this discussion is pointless as this situation never came into affect. Tyranids were getting cover from terrain, not from my own units.

The autocannon dreadnought/rhino discussion is going on over here, and doesn't need to continue in this thread.

-666- wrote:Can you bring terrain to the club to use? Just curious.

Could do. Though I am not going to. Not sure what you're getting at there.

I didn't think you would to be honest. My club has terrain building nights every now and then to spruce things up a bit and keep it interesting.

Ha ha, you must know me well. The club I go to charges for playing there (which is fine) so I am not going to take my own terrain and pay to play with it. Plus what's the point in taking terrain when they have plenty? At the end of the day it's up to the players to get terrain, if AJ wanted more then he could have easily got off his arse and gone and get some up piped up and commented on it.

It is convenient the amount of terrain present always seems to suit the army you're playing.

That's because when I am playing Dark Eldar I get off my arse and get more terrain myself . If the other player cannot be arsed to get more terrain or pipe up about lack of terrain that's fair fault. I'm not the terrain fetching bitch - that's about terrain at the club btw. At my home it's a different situation as I always use the same amount of terrain, not sure if you've seen my board?

Another great batrep Mercer, I would defend you as I frequently make mistakes in my 40k games, but I'm not going to sink as low as the nay-sayers - such as Darthdiggler.

on the subject of terrain... a few hours and some foam presentation boards will give you lots of buildings... use toothpicks to reinforce joints and such.

Grimnarsmate wrote:Another great batrep Mercer, I would defend you as I frequently make mistakes in my 40k games, but I'm not going to sink as low as the nay-sayers - such as Darthdiggler.

Thanks about the report.

Lord_Ghazghkull wrote:on the subject of terrain... a few hours and some foam presentation boards will give you lots of buildings... use toothpicks to reinforce joints and such.

The club has got six big boxes of terrain, mostly Gale Force 9. It depends how early I get there and how many people are there on how much terrain I get. I also depends on how much the other person can be bothered to pick up. The problem they have is most of it is fiddly little bits which don't block LOS too much. I have donated some money to the club recently, which they said they are investing into a City Sector

Nice seal clubbing.

Thanks, man