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Tsuruki wrote:Someone asked: Then wtf are burnas classified as, Idd very much like to know myself!

As far as I know, it is an unusual power weapon, so AP 3 and nothing else special about it aside from its dual use as either a template or power weapon for a turn.

Exactly that.

If a model is made with only powerswords, and you chop them off for axes, did you just cheat?

DevianID wrote:If a model is made with only powerswords, and you chop them off for axes, did you just cheat?

So long as it is clearly defined and modeled as an axe, you should be fine.

Remember, a power weapon can be one of several, but it has to look like it.

And no, you cannot do this mid game.

i can see a lot of folks crying foul over this.

pg. 61, third paragraph. "If a models wargear states it has a power weapon which has no further special rules, look at the model to determine the type."

Necron Codex. pg 92, Lychguard entry."... may exchange warscythes for hyperphase sword and dispersion shields"

Necron Dex pg 81. A Hyperphase sword is a power weapon.

The lychguard entry specifically says sword rather than a generic entry of power weapon.

A generic entry of power weapon could not be argued that modeled axes could be fielded and used as such.

A specific entry such as Hyperphase sword could be argued strongly.

However there are no further special rules for the HP Sword other than it being a power weapon.

And the first time I looked at a pic Lychguard with sword and board option I thought "cool axes". Take a second look, those are straight up axes!

As I started to write this I felt that lychguard would not be able to do this, however upon typing up that the sword is a power weapon with no further special rules I am starting to wonder if it is perfectly legal.

I cant find my eldar codes so cannot see the entry for Banshees though I would guess it says power sword not power weapon.

Is the necron example cheating? Your basically trading invuln saves for a 2d6 Armor pen. A simple point upgrade would have streamlined it.

The hyperphase sword is modeled after the Kopesh; which is kind of a sword-axe(or Axe-sword).

So, yes it looks like it could either be an Axe that is mostly Blade, or a very heavy Sword.

Personally I would Ask my Necron Opponent which one he wishes to use it as in this game and so long as all Hyperphase swords were either Power axes, or Power swords(as in every HPS is a Power axe, or Every HPS is a Power sword), I really wouldn't care which the Necron player decided.

Consistency is the only really necessary point here.

Hyperphase Sword is a sword. I wouldn't accept anything else. Necrons (which I play) already have I2. So having them add 1 to strength at the cost of I1, seems like a win-win.

Seems questionable. What does the book say in the weapons area?

Tsuruki wrote:Someone asked: Then wtf are burnas classified as, Idd very much like to know myself!

An unusual power weapon which follows the rules for a power sword. At least, that would be my best guess.

headrattle wrote:Hyperphase Sword is a sword. I wouldn't accept anything else. Necrons (which I play) already have I2. So having them add 1 to strength at the cost of I1, seems like a win-win.

Seems questionable. What does the book say in the weapons area?

The wargear section of the weapons area defines them as power weapons, not power swords. There are no other special or unique rules. So, misnomer notwithstanding, they could very well be fielded as power swords, axes, mauls, or spears.

((Edit - Provided they are modeled as such.))

They are called Hyperphase swords though. I wouldn't let you play them as axes. In my mind it's no different than if I decided to convert my burnas so they look like axes with burny bits on the end and claim the +1 str AP2 for -1 I bonus.

"But look at the model!!!"

...Except that burnas aren't defined as power
weapons with no other special or unique rules. They cannot be used if they fired in the shooting phase. That is a unique rule. Thus RAW they are AP3.

Hyperphase swords are power weapons. Full Stop. That is precisely how they are defined according to Codex: Necrons. Thus they play by the rules of power weapons until faq'ed otherwise. And one of these rules is that you play them as they are modeled. If someone models them as a power axe, then that's what they are.