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Well, here's hoping they put it up at a time when I'm still awake, hate to miss out on that stuff.

 Bat Manuel wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:

If you pledge early (during this early pledge time period) you'll get a Miss Terious model for Malifaux for free...

I've already got 3 for my Lady J demo crew, so a 4th one will go towards event prizes

I kinda hate you a little

Don't hate me :-/ I spent a lot of time and money at GenCon. I bought over 300 dollars worth of stuff (but not all at once, cause I had like 2 orders at 179 and 182), and I got 1, along with booth cred and a santana ortega for donating my entire Saturday to demoing in the event hall....


BrookM, if it goes up today, it will probably go up aorund 6:00 pm EST which would be like midnight in the UK and possibly an hour or two later depending on what the time zones are like for Europe (I really only know American time zones and the UK sorry pal

If it's midnight UK that'll be 1AM for me, waaaaay too late for me, here's hoping that the early bird thing isn't too limited.

 BrookM wrote:
If it's midnight UK that'll be 1AM for me, waaaaay too late for me, here's hoping that the early bird thing isn't too limited.

They said they would extend it for a day, you should still be able to get in on it then

We'll see, last Kickstarter of the year, here we come!

I think its up!
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1334239018/through-the-breach-a-malifaux-roleplaying-game?ref=recently_launched

Dammit. They put a Freikorps exclusive sculpt in there?
Ugh, I have to back this now.

Interestingly for Mailfaux fans it looks like they have a few Kickstarter only items:

Players and Masters Guide bound into One Hardcover - Living Room Player and Gaming Room Player

RPG Fate Deck - Living Room Player and Gaming Room Player level

A Male and Female Multi-Pose mini - Dining Room Player and above

Special edition sculpt of Hannah, Chief Freikorps Archivist - Dining Room Player and above

Theres currently no images of any of these items, but there are descripsions on the KS page, give it a few days and they will probley update it with images.

*updated*

Ha ha there is a piece of artwork for Hannah on the KS page, completely missed it.

It's very interesting that they do not seem to really have any lower end pledge levels. The minimum pledge is $60, the next step up is $125. That seems rather expensive.

There also doesn't seem to be way to simply buy a player's guide, they only come in bundles.

Not complaining, just noticing.

Not sure how three minis justify a $65 bump.

Hmm,

Annoyingly this looks a little expensive for me at the moment with shipping (not that it's unreasonable),

but about £55 for the very base game is a bit beyond impulse purchace cost, I was hoping for £40 so I now need to consider fast as if I'm going to back I'll need to do it before the free figure expires

 BrookM wrote:
Not sure how three minis justify a $65 bump.

Well you get a RPG fatedeck as well, but admittedly its still big jump, not to mention theres no "low-level" pleages at all ony $60 and up, I can see that turning alot of backers away.
I would of also thought the fatedeck would be included at all levels considering the discription makes it sound like you need it.

I don't think a fate deck is included with the mini's deal.

 BrookM wrote:
I don't think a fate deck is included with the mini's deal.

Hmm you know what I think your right, looks like it only comes in Living Room Player and Gaming Room Player, that makes even less sense, hopfully they'll add it as an opitional Add-On.

Yeah, some stretch goals would be neat, we're already at 21%

I've really looked now, and I'm honestly a little flabbergast at the pledge levels.

At $65 you get the player and DM (or whatever) books. Pricey, but not completely out of line.

At $125 you get the above, plus either

(Dining Room): 2 "multipose" male/female miniatures, and the Freikorp exclusive miniature.

(Living Room): the books you already get bound in a single, hardcover edition and a deck of cards.

These seem... really expensive for what you are getting.

I mean, by way of comparison, consider that the Dragon King Expansion for Kingdom Death is $30, and includes a large mini, and a kit that makes 4 (2 male, 2 female) figures. Plus a load of cards and so on.

The miniatures are priced at the price-point of Kingdom Death resin figures. Which are pretty much at the high end already.

Yup. I made the 60 pledge. I am/was more then willing to pledge higher but the higher pledges don't seem worthwile at the moment.
The one with the models might have been if it included the limited edition deck but since that's in the other one its 65 dollars +11 shipping for 3 models which seems far out of line on pricing.
A pity that the only way to get the models and the deck is to go for the 225 dollar one (which also has 44 shipping).

Some lower goals or the ability to add the deck/models on would have been nice.

The Freikops miniature looks like a person in a large mech-suit. It shouldn't be that much different than:
http://wyrd-games.net/shop/Lazarus.html ($18 plastic)
http://wyrd-games.net/shop/Desolation-Engine.html ($16.50 metal)

The individual "multipose" miniatures will be typical human size like:
http://wyrd-games.net/shop/Mr.-Tannen.html ($11 plastic)
http://wyrd-games.net/shop/Sue.html ($10 metal)

At most, the "Living Room" edition can be justified as $11+$11+$18 = $40

The edition is +$65. Seems a bit high.

They may be adjusting early for kickstarter stretch goal freebies.

Well the've only just gone live so there is time for things to improve

(the KD dragon king only showed up at 350K after all, LOL)

I did drop them a question about how big the books were intended to be, but there response was we don't have this nailed down yet (not even a rough estimate) so I wonder how much detail if much at all has been planned so far.

Maybe the intend to do most/all in the year before delivery which would be a bit concerning

Oh wow, I totally did not notice... this is scheduled to be released September 2013. That's a... lot of lead time for a project like this... no?

Actually if they're creating it from scratch not enough time, writing a decent RPG from scratch takes time for testing, retesting, balancing etc

could be ok if they've got working rules done already (as they have got a good background already) and it would be book design, writing & art and integrating everything

It is kind of a long way, but it also fits in with Wyrd's GenCon being their major release time.

Something similar to Evil Baby Orphanage will probably happen. They will get funded, and then the product will likely be ready before September 2013, and ship during that time period, but for those lucky enough to go to GenCon next year, they will be able to pick up their main stuff early (You could pick up your copy of EBO at GenCon 2012).

I realize the 65 bucks for three minis is steep, and I agree. At the moment though Miss Terious is 20 to 40 dollars on eBay, since you could only get her through GenCon orders. I'm not saying that's a fair way to price your mini, and in fact you could do well to bring that down by giving basically stating a decent price (though 21.50 or so isn't uncommon amongst some minis anymore).

I haven't backed yet, but I will probably go for the Living Room Gamer so I can get the exclusive fate deck and pick up the 2 other minis, once they're made available in stores.



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 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Actually if they're creating it from scratch not enough time, writing a decent RPG from scratch takes time for testing, retesting, balancing etc

could be ok if they've got working rules done already (as they have got a good background already) and it would be book design, writing & art and integrating everything

I'm assuming Mack Martin has been hard at work since joining Wyrd this summer Something about 4 to 5 months of resting on his laurels doesn't seem right


Edit the second: Feth me, I didn't read close enough... the archivist is the third mini...

Hey if you look at it this way, if you back the project early, you'll get 4 minis for a 65 dollar price increase That's a "little" better...

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Actually if they're creating it from scratch not enough time, writing a decent RPG from scratch takes time for testing, retesting, balancing etc

could be ok if they've got working rules done already (as they have got a good background already) and it would be book design, writing & art and integrating everything

I gotta say, I find it incredibly worrisome that they might have almost nothing in the pipe, so to speak. At the same time, unless the art is recycled, they surely have done something on this project.

Very true though, that an RPG takes a lot of time to work on, a heck of a lot longer then the most of a year the delivery date implies. That's one reason I find the lack of specifics so puzzling: to have all those books bound and shipped they have to be well into the design phase... but they have no idea how big the books are and so on? Huh?

I have to be honest and say that I'm INCREDIBLY disappointed in their pledge levels.

As a Malifaux player and not a huge RPGer, I would have pledged this for any exclusive minis and fate decks if only so I could read through the RPG. But now, there is no "sweet spot" pledge level that includes all of the exclusives. that, for me, is really, really, really frustrating.

I pledged a dollar and posted in the comments section saying as much, but I'll reiterate how disappointed I am that I can't get the limited Fate Deck and SE Miniature for any cheaper than $225.

Yikes.

Incidentally, the notion that the levels pre-suppose a bunch of stretch goals runs into something they have under "Rewards"

Rather than bury you under a pile of cloth maps and t-shirts, we've decided to take a new approach. We want to focus all of our production effort on giving you a few high-production value rewards that we hope you will treasure for years to come. Instead of swag destined for the closet, we want to create trophies with reserved places on your shelves.

Now, I'm not sure that this statement precludes stretch goals, but it doesn't sound like they are trying to stoke the fires of desire for them.

I've been waiting on this one and have jumped in to get Miss terious. It does make the KD kickstarter look a lot more attractive, even before the stretch goals were added in, KD seems to give you more in the box. This may just mean I'm spending a lot more than I planned and do both...

To those that are worrying about the jump in price, the rulebook one actually makes sense.

If you look at the Pathfinder Core Rulebook it's 50 bucks for a hard cover book. You're paying 50 bucks for the special edition hard cover rules and then 15 for their special edition fate deck, which will most likely be like the Retro fate deck or the puppet wars deck which are 11 to 12 dollars, treat it as special edition mark up...

Rather than bury you under a pile of cloth maps and t-shirts, we've decided to take a new approach. We want to focus all of our production effort on giving you a few high-production value rewards that we hope you will treasure for years to come. Instead of swag destined for the closet, we want to create trophies with reserved places on your shelves.

While I agree with the concept of "Less is More" that they seem to be aiming for, none of the goals really seem to include all the kickstarter exclusive stuff without spending a small fortune on the books in the process. Even though this kickstarter is all about the RPG books they really should consider a lower level goal that does focus on the exclusive items or at the very least add these items as opitional add-ons and create a $10-30 pleage level, this would attrach some non-RPG gamers who only want the minis or other stuff.

But regardless its still early days on this one.

Incidentally, even presuming (arguendo) that there will be stretch goals, I really find the argument that the pricing reflects a presumption that they will be there to be a poor one.

Stretch goals are meant to be "priced" such that the cash beyond the original goal justifies them. If they are already priced into the base box, then either the stretches should be crazy fast, or they should already be in it... since, after all, you've already covered it with your base pledge.

Beyond that, saying "it's priced to reflect eventual stretch goals" is another way of saying that what is actually in the pledge doesn't justify the pledge level.

Seriously, let's look at a thematically similar product, Kingdom Death. I hate to beat that horse, but they have similar elements of non-traditional horror and they are both 45 day campaigns ending within a week of each other (I think).

Compare the base $100 Kingdom Death game;

The game is available to backers starting at the $100 level and contains:
27 ( + 12 ) = 39 Total, unique highly detailed plastic miniatures ( following this is a quick list of the miniature break down )
Full Color Story & Rule Book
2' x 3' Game board
6, 10 Sided Dice
1 6 Sided Hit Location Die
100 2"x2" Gear Cards
75+ Monster AI Cards
75+ Monster Hit Location Cards
75+ Resource Cards
25 Innovation Cards
10 Location Tiles
Survivor Record Sheets
Settlement Record Sheets

Miniatures included in the base game:
4 Starting Survivor miniatures
4 Armor Kits: rawhide, lion, leather, phoenix. Each kit is two female and two male models with interchangeable parts.
7 Monsters - Lion, Phoenix, Antelope, Butcher, Kingsmen, Kings Hand, Watcher

Over 350 cards, 27 miniatures, tiles, record sheets, story book and rule book and so on and so on.

Now, let's remember, that's the base game (the +12 is from stretch goals, so don't consider that).

Unless you have no interest at all in miniatures, the KD value for money is just so much greater...

In my opinion they have programmed in the extra cost of future stretch goals into the pledge prices.