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San Jose, CA





GMM Studios latest masterpiece. Army ran by Paul Murphy.


Now, the rest of the armies. Once again, feel free to give a shout-out if you recognize any of the armies here.


Space Marines

Spoiler:

Frickin awesome!


Lots of Biker armies.


There was no shortage of drop pods either.








Very cool!


For some reason, I really like those bright orange armies.


Centurions and broadsides, a match made in hellven.


Bikers by far were the most dominant Space Marine armies.


They almost always seemed to be accompanied by 2 stormtalons.


My favorite - NecroKnights (or should I say, Greycrons)!


More Tau Marines.


I'm not quite sure what this army was, but it was way cooler than cool.


Pure grey knights.


More knights.


Space Wolves represent!




Wolves still going strong.


Marines and Space Wolves.


Whoa....I think I just spotted some Blood Angels!


Gimme a Sister, can't resist her!




Imperial flyers.






The dreaded Centurionstar.




Tau

Spoiler:
Lots of riptides here.






Tau with Guards.


Tau with Inquisition and....centurions?


Taudar.


That's a crapton on broadsides there.


Tau with.....Space Wolves?


Justin Cook's O'vesa-star.


Quad-tides!


Here's something a little different...piranha-spam! From Andrew Gonyo (aka Target here on dakka).


More Taudar.










The R'varna! I love that paint scheme.


Some nice conversions.


Anime-tides.




Tyranids

Spoiler:



Jay Woodcock's bugs.


Conversion city.




I soooo like the bright bugs. You can see them from a mile away.












"InControl" Geoff's yellow bugs.



The last 2 photos are from the team tournament (Dakka Detachment #1).





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After all the hard work put into giving you a page two, you abandon your work. Can't wait to get home and see what you posted on the front page though. I cannot into Photobucket at work.

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Detroit, MI

those are my Necrons/CSM with the Helldrake controlled by MSS ^.^ Glad you liked em. Also got to chat with you a bit before the Team tourney - Had the purple dark eldar I hope you got photos of bc I failed to take any of my own >.<

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Cracow

Im looking forward for some batreps, especially how this centurionstar is working and how you preasumably beat it (i guess cause i belive in your skills bro, dont know the outcome).

Thanks for pictures, some of those armies are gorgeous!

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Ann Arbor, MI

Someone already gave you half the answer, but that alternate LoC you spotted is the Ultraforge Vrock. Really nice model. Unfortunately it's also really tall and consequently impossible to hide behind terrain. Dealbreaker for me considering how often my LoC rolls poor Greater Rewards and ends up showing up to battle in nothing but his 5++ underpants.

It was nice getting a brief chance to catch up. Hopefully we'll spot each other at some other GT's this year. You still owe me a rematch! Any plans to make the long trip out to NOVA?
   
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San Jose, CA

 DaBenzsta08 wrote:
those are my Necrons/CSM with the Helldrake controlled by MSS ^.^ Glad you liked em. Also got to chat with you a bit before the Team tourney - Had the purple dark eldar I hope you got photos of bc I failed to take any of my own >.<

Your army is sic. I like your conversions and the blending on your heldrake.


 whigwam wrote:
Someone already gave you half the answer, but that alternate LoC you spotted is the Ultraforge Vrock. Really nice model. Unfortunately it's also really tall and consequently impossible to hide behind terrain. Dealbreaker for me considering how often my LoC rolls poor Greater Rewards and ends up showing up to battle in nothing but his 5++ underpants.

It was nice getting a brief chance to catch up. Hopefully we'll spot each other at some other GT's this year. You still owe me a rematch! Any plans to make the long trip out to NOVA?

If I get it, it'll be more for the aesthetics than for the in-game advantages/disadvantages. But in any case, it looks like it could hide behind a bastion.

No NOVA this year, but it's something I will be considering for next year. You should also consider coming to the LVO next year. I think that will be the can't-miss West Coast tournament for those interested. We can play a pick-up game if we ever bump into each other again.



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7th Edition: 2015-16 ITC Best Grey Knights, 2015-16 ITC Best Tyranids
Jy2's 6th Edition Battle Report Thread - Links.....Jy2's 7th Edition Battle Report Thread - Links
 
   
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Man after seeing all these beautiful looking armies, I now know what I have to do before going to my next tournament. Make a sweet ass display board. Some of those boards just blow my mind at how much detail and time most of been spent just to carry your army around from one table to the next. Can’t wait to start reading about your battles.

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 Panzer1944 wrote:
Man after seeing all these beautiful looking armies, I now know what I have to do before going to my next tournament. Make a sweet ass display board. Some of those boards just blow my mind at how much detail and time most of been spent just to carry your army around from one table to the next. Can’t wait to start reading about your battles.

They just make me feel bad about myself. .

 
   
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San Jose, CA


You can find my full thoughts on Adepticon on p. 1.


The State of the Meta

The state of the competitive meta is always fluctuating. From spam-lists like MSU to jack-of-all-trade Take-All-Comer's lists to deathstar armies - it has always been somewhat balanced. Then enter the dataslates and formations....no wait, it began even before then. Enter Tau. Yes, it was the Tau codex that shifted the trend in the meta towards deathstar builds. Tau was the perfect instigator for the deathstar armies. They've got one of the best force-multipliers in the game currently - the Toolbox Tau Commander, otherwise known as the Buffmander. That guy could do it all almost. He makes a unit twin-linked and lets them ignore cover. He gives them Tank Hunter, Monster Hunter, Stubborn and various other useful USR's. He could tank shots due to his 2+ save and Toughness 5 and could be given 4++ and FNP as well to make him even better. Finally, he lets them get out of combat with Hit-&-Run. More importantly, with Tau being Battle Brothers to the most armies, you could lend him to many armies to make them even more deadly.

The seer council and the beaststar has always existed ever since the beginning of 6th. But before the new Tau came out, they were more low-key. Even the Daemon screamerstar was just a trial deathstar in the early days before Tau. It wasn't until Tau came out that these deathstars became what they are today. Yes, it was due to how powerful the Tau and their shooting were that brought these deathstars into prominence. Few armies could stand up to the firepower of the Tau. What was needed was a new breed of deathstars, one with the speed to make it into Tau lines with minimal casualties. Enter the era of the super-fast and nigh-invincible deathstars.

To exacerbate the situation, Games Workshop then started releasing dataslates and formations, making every day like Christmas for many of these armies. Most influential of these formations/allies was the Inquisition. Now most armies - more importantly, most deathstars - have access to Divination psychic powers, powerful grenades, anti-deployment countermeasures and the ubiquitous Coteaz! It is a funny sight indeed. You could have Space Marines battling the Grey Knights fighting against Eldar trying to overrun Tau....and all of them with Coteaz in their armies!

Seer Council, beaststar, the O'vesa-star, the Farsight-bomb, Draigowing, screamerstar, centurionstar, nob bikers, wolfstar - the list of deathstars goes on and on. Get used to it, because this is the current state of the competitive meta. Deathstars are just so good nowadays that you will see more and more people running them. Before, they had weaknesses that could be addressed. But with each new release from GW, those weaknesses are getting smaller and smaller and the number of deathstars in tournament play are getting larger and larger. Some of the best TAC armies - armies like Flying Monstrous Creature-spam Daemons, Necron Wraithwing Flyer-spam and White Scars bikers - can still hold their own, but most are finding it hard to keep up with the new crop of deathstars. Even MSU (multiple-small-units) builds will have problems against the faster deathstars like the seer council, beaststar or screamerstar. Pretty soon, the tournament paradigm will be mainly deathstars and anti-deathstars unless either GW take the measures to re-balance their game, or we, their customers, take it into our own hands to try to balance out the tournament scene ourselves.


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Honestly nothing in the last year has been that in-ordinary for GW except for the pace of releases.

Competitive 40k has always been kind of a bad joke. I don't mean in a negative way, like this game sucks for tournament play kinda way. But rather, the game has always been unbalanced and wonky, which is the appeal over chess honestly, but this makes the idea of FAIR competition almost impossible, and therefore can't( or shouldn't) be taken too seriously.

to go back to the meta duiscusion, nothing in the last year is unusal for GW. I mean, had the release been like it has in the past like 5th, Tau would have hit the scene and for the last year, until now, we would all be complaining of too much tau like we did with grey knights and then necrons in 5th. Instead we basically have experienced 5 years of meta shift in one year.

It makes people think change is needed to balance the game but it is funny to people like me who have played since 94 and have seen this go unchecked for 20 years. Only now that the meta is moving obviously fast in on negative direction to another are people complaining so much.

Why wasn't 40k "balanced" during the dreaded psybolt spam? Probably because is was one dominant build and it was easier for everyone in "competitive" play to bandwagon and keep up.

For me it eventually became wildly more easily balanced by looking at myslef. What do I want from this hobby, and how can I make my opponents experience what mine was back in 2nd. The simple answer is player responsibility. I hate to say it, but all the people whining for balance and change are the same people showing up with deathstars in their case. I say be the bigger player (not literally lol) and ask, so I really need to bring an inquisitor with my eldar AND tau. D I really need to take that buffmander? I know its "cheesy" and my opponent will hate facing it. Do I want to face this list?

Comp sadly just hurts the bottom line that much more. It always has, and always will. I think 40k should just be accepted for what it always has been. Wildly imbalanced and wonky. I mean, say you make a packet to address the flaws, oh look GW just took down their FAQ's.... whoops. In a month 7th might hit, woops again. Its too unstable to even try at this point.

Look at Nick Nanavatis play style in the singles. Basically grab FB and then fly on and off all game every game until last turn. Wow, that must have been some awesome tournament. At what point do you look at yourself and say, oh hey I am avoiding playing the game due to a loophole, are loopholes a great way to win? Definitely! Doesn't that sort of sour your win though? I don't know, maybe. Maybe not for him, but what about his opponents? Do you think even one of them may have thought, great I flew all the way her to watch a guy book keeping his powers then not engage anything due to premeasuring. If the answer is even one player would have a bad time then i wouldn't play that way myself, this is why so many players are leaving 40k.


Just my take on the meta.

TLDR- The meta: just let it be, nothing has changed except the pace of change.

   
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One glaring question: Where was the Imperial Knight at Adepticon? It's the great leveller of Deathstar armies. Also, why do we keep seeing top players at top tables? Someone is doing something right.

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 Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
One glaring question: Where was the Imperial Knight at Adepticon? It's the great leveller of Deathstar armies. Also, why do we keep seeing top players at top tables? Someone is doing something right.


That's not the discussion though. We are discussing the meta or lists not the players. We know they are good at winning (the players), but that just means they will use whatever they can to get there. I personally think it's fine, it just puzzles me why some people want to cherry pick the rules to try and comp the meta, all that does is shift the top build. Ultimately its player responsibility whether they should bring an unfluffy, hammer list that is deigned to win not make overall sense. It is fine at the top seats because they are all the nes that get their like you said. I think turnout is changing though and now or at least in the future only those types will be left. I say that's fine, sharks in the shark tank. They shouldn't complain when their are less species in theat tank in the end though if you will. Sorry, terrible sea life analogy lol.

Again, i think open 40k is fine now. 6th is all about MC's and deathstars. 5th was vehicle msu. Just wait for 7th or maybe 8th and it will be horde maybe. Maybe not. Nothing is any more broken then it ever was really, just different.

   
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Georgia, US

 Red Corsair wrote:
 Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
One glaring question: Where was the Imperial Knight at Adepticon? It's the great leveller of Deathstar armies. Also, why do we keep seeing top players at top tables? Someone is doing something right.


That's not the discussion though. We are discussing the meta or lists not the players. We know they are good at winning (the players), but that just means they will use whatever they can to get there. I personally think it's fine, it just puzzles me why some people want to cherry pick the rules to try and comp the meta, all that does is shift the top build. Ultimately its player responsibility whether they should bring an unfluffy, hammer list that is deigned to win not make overall sense. It is fine at the top seats because they are all the nes that get their like you said. I think turnout is changing though and now or at least in the future only those types will be left. I say that's fine, sharks in the shark tank. They shouldn't complain when their are less species in theat tank in the end though if you will. Sorry, terrible sea life analogy lol.

Again, i think open 40k is fine now. 6th is all about MC's and deathstars. 5th was vehicle msu. Just wait for 7th or maybe 8th and it will be horde maybe. Maybe not. Nothing is any more broken then it ever was really, just different.


Red this honestly is the truest thing I've ever heard. Well done.

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 Insane Smile wrote:
 Red Corsair wrote:
 Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
One glaring question: Where was the Imperial Knight at Adepticon? It's the great leveller of Deathstar armies. Also, why do we keep seeing top players at top tables? Someone is doing something right.


That's not the discussion though. We are discussing the meta or lists not the players. We know they are good at winning (the players), but that just means they will use whatever they can to get there. I personally think it's fine, it just puzzles me why some people want to cherry pick the rules to try and comp the meta, all that does is shift the top build. Ultimately its player responsibility whether they should bring an unfluffy, hammer list that is deigned to win not make overall sense. It is fine at the top seats because they are all the nes that get their like you said. I think turnout is changing though and now or at least in the future only those types will be left. I say that's fine, sharks in the shark tank. They shouldn't complain when their are less species in theat tank in the end though if you will. Sorry, terrible sea life analogy lol.

Again, i think open 40k is fine now. 6th is all about MC's and deathstars. 5th was vehicle msu. Just wait for 7th or maybe 8th and it will be horde maybe. Maybe not. Nothing is any more broken then it ever was really, just different.


Red this honestly is the truest thing I've ever heard. Well done.

So what you guys are saying is that TOs should depend on 30-300 people all self regulating for the continued survival of their tournament? I imagine they should also continue to run said tournaments risking tens of thousands of dollars? Rather than destroy even the possibility of large community events I would much rather TOs make whatever restriction are needed. It would be nice if they could do it is a community of big event TOs for consistency.

Honestly poor balance and ambiguous rules is the bane of everyone. The least affected are highly competitive players and narrative players. The people that truly suffer from poor balance are the middle ground players who show up to tournaments and get stomped and have to spend an hour just agreeing on ground rules before they can play a pick up game.

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 Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
One glaring question: Where was the Imperial Knight at Adepticon?

The codex was out a week to late for them to be used in the Championships, although I think they were allowed in the funsies.

 
   
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So what you guys are saying is that TOs should depend on 30-300 people all self regulating for the continued survival of their tournament?


Nah, forget that.

Theres a sizeable portion of players who rock up to tournaments just 'to play some games' or, more elegantly, 'to push toy tanks around and make laser noises'. These are the people who will be bringing the fluffy or casual armies to the meatgrinder, and the species who will subsequently 'become extinct' to use the sealife metaphor earlier.

I reckon the answer is to remove the charade of a 'tournament' entirely for these players. Stop running tournaments and start running 'events' where people just play one another. And sure, the riptides and the hellturkeys can bash heads together on a few of the tables to.

Adepticons Casual and Competitive events is somewhat similar to that. Would love to hear how the casual events went.

(also back on topic these armies are goddamn beautiful)

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 Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
One glaring question: Where was the Imperial Knight at Adepticon? It's the great leveller of Deathstar armies. Also, why do we keep seeing top players at top tables? Someone is doing something right.


Its not that hard when a large portion of the event is filled with "fun" players. The core competitive players will naturally rise to the top. Then once those play, skill levels will begin to show.
   
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San Jose, CA

Some good points brought up.

First of all, Imperial Knights did not make the cut-off time for Adepticon. I believe Adepticon doesn't allow for new codices if they came out less than a month before the event. That was the case with the Imperial Knights.

Ok, now my personal thoughts about the meta. Honestly, I am not concerned at all about competitive players. Competitive players will adjust with the meta. They are here to stay, no matter how wonky the rules become, even if they don't necessarily like all the changes.

What I am more concerned about is the overall health of the hobby. You make the changes too fast and too extreme and you are going to start losing players, both to tournament play and in the worst case, to the entire hobby as well. We are bleeding players, especially the veteran players, left and right. With loose, unbalanced rules, armies that no longer resemble the fluff (yes, many people actually care about the fluff) and the price gouging of GW models, it's no wonder GW is having so much problems. Create a tight ruleset and people may overlook the overpriced models or have cheap but awesome models and people may tolerate the looser rules. But to have both shoddy rules (and rules balance) and overpriced models, that's never a good thing....but that is a topic of conversation for another day.

The same goes for Tournament Organizers. If they allow unrestricted, do-everything-the-rules-allows-you-to-do approach to tournament play, they are going to lose attendees. For smaller tournaments, it's not a big deal, but for the larger ones, they stand to lose a lot of money if they aren't able to maintain good attendance. What these TO's want to do is to encourage a lot of the newer tournament goers (and also a lot of the veteran gamers) to come. In order to do that, they need to make an environment that is more fun and "fair" so that Casual Joe isn't blown out in almost every single game due to the disparities in the power levels in terms of army builds and then decide never to go back to tournaments anymore.

In any case, I just wanted to touch upon my views briefly. But since these opinions are really beyond the scope of this thread, I will be moving on to some actual battle reports coming up very soon.


East Coast vs West Coast

I'm noticing a discrepancy between the competitive East Coast players (I'll just refer to them as EC players) and the competitive West Coast players (I'll call them WC players). As a WC player myself, here we tend to run slightly different competitive builds than the EC players do. I'm noticing that EC players tend to run more deathstar builds. We tend to run more spammy armies. They tend to run more FMC-spam daemons. We tend to run more mixed daemons. They tend to run more iontide riptides. We tend to run more burstide riptides.

Just to give you ideas of what some of the good WC players brought:

Jy2 - Wraithwing Necrons
Reece - Space Marine infantry-spam
Frankie - DE Venom-spam
Janthkin - Tyranids with no spam!!!
Blackmoor - Tyranids
Doug Johnson - IG w/allies

And these are some of the EC players:

Justin Cook/Jesse Newton - O'vesa-star
Nick Nanavati/Rob Tilly - FMC Daemons
Tony Kopach/Alex Fennell - Seer Council
Alan Pajamapants/Tony Grippando/Sean Nayden - Beaststar (don't know if Sean is actually EC)
Tim Gorham - Centurionstar

My opinion is that EC players are actually slightly ahead of the WC players. They are running more of the "newer" competitive power builds whereas we are running more of the "older" competitive power builds. This is partially due to the fact that the tournament scene in the EC is probably more competitive to those in the WC. There in the EC they have Adepticon, Nova, Battle for Salvation, Beakycon, the Michigan GT and a lot more large GT's than we do here in the WC. Also, most of these tournaments have been around much longer than the WC tourneys. Here in the WC, we have the Las Vegas Open, the Bay Area Open, Feast of Blades and the Golden Throne. Moreover, most of our tournaments, with the exception of the Feast of Blades, is still relatively new. Thus, the EC players are much more used to thriving in a more competitive meta, whereas here in the WC, we are slightly more laid back in terms of our approach to gaming. That is not to say that we WC players don't run deathstars or FMC daemons or the same builds as those in the EC, but our top players just don't run them as prevalently as our EC counterparts.

I apologize for not expounding on the Midwest players as well, but I am not as familiar with their competitive meta as I am with the EC/WC players.


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My opinion is that EC players are actually slightly ahead of the WC players.


I was going to make a timezone joke of how EC players are specifically 3 hours ahead of WC players, but it just didn't sound right, so I will just toss the general idea out here and let everyone make up something funny in their own minds.

From what you saw at adepticon; how will this affect your Tyranid builds in the future? Also, if dataslates aren't allowed, what is the fallback plan for not being able to use skyblight?
   
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As is, Tyranids don't have what it takes to win a major GT. I would take them to a major GT. I may even do well with them, but it'll be a longshot to win it all.

Enter dataslates. Currently, Skyblight is the most powerful of the Tyranid dataslates. It is so good that it actually gives Tyranids a chance to compete against the top-tier tournament armies. Without dataslates, expect an uphill battle against the top tournament armies with bugs. You can still win, but it will be more like a David vs Goliath type of battle, with the odds stacked against the bugs.




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ATC 2013 - Team Fluffy Bunnies - 1st .....LVO GT 2014 Team Tournament - Best Generals
7th Edition: 2015-16 ITC Best Grey Knights, 2015-16 ITC Best Tyranids
Jy2's 6th Edition Battle Report Thread - Links.....Jy2's 7th Edition Battle Report Thread - Links
 
   
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I was going to make a timezone joke of how EC players are specifically 3 hours ahead of WC players, but it just didn't sound right, so I will just toss the general idea out here and let everyone make up something funny in their own minds.

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You named three of the Midwest players in your East coast list. Gorham, Grippando and Bajramovic are all from Chicago. Do you count Chicago as East Coast? Because we here in Chicago count it as Midwest.
   
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San Jose, CA

I guess from the perspective of a West Coast player, Chicago is much closer to the East Coast than it is to the West Coast.

To me, it seems like the Midwest closer to the East Coast (i.e. Chicago) tend to run more similar builds as the East Coast players mainly because they compete largely in the same tournaments. Then the Midwest boys closer to the West Coast - the BoLS guys from Texas, guys like Nick Rose, Paul Murphy and Thomas "Goatboy" - tend to run strong builds more like those in the West Coast.



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7th Edition: 2015-16 ITC Best Grey Knights, 2015-16 ITC Best Tyranids
Jy2's 6th Edition Battle Report Thread - Links.....Jy2's 7th Edition Battle Report Thread - Links
 
   
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I think its best not to divide the hobby and shove people into boxes when it comes to such an individualistic hobby. Honestly this country is WAY to massive and the hobby way to niche to draw any meaningful data from logistics.

I think you'd be better off defining "top" player.

To me, a top player is that guy who spent the last 3 years modeling his army to finally meet the theme and standards he wanted to show off to an events audience. That paired with a great attitude to try and make the day enjoyable for all his opponents.

Unfortunately top player for most is devolved into WAAC list building, with in a lot of cases, awful looking armies. If not hobby wise, then theme wise.

Heres an example, in your list of photos is James Wapel and his AMAZING guard army which took best army. Second year running actually. Heres his blog:

http://wappellious.blogspot.com/

Yet all anyone talks about on any forum is Nick Nanavatis second win in the singles back to back. To me, Wapels title is MUCH more venerable, and his presence brings more to any event then some Silly cricus list that is tailored to actually avoid engaging with your opponents until last turn where you land on "objectives".

I think there is a middle ground here for sure. It is hilariously sad however when no one recognizes some one like Wapel. I intentionally held back for a while just to see if anyone else would recognize him, apparently not. It just shows the community isn't recognizing these aspects anymore.

In conclusion I'll reiterate that player responsibility should have more weight. The community should pat that "top 16" on the back less and maybe they will come around a bit. As long as people only recognize a seat number nothing will get changed though. So be it, let the sharks get sick of eating shark for a change lol.

   
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 Red Corsair wrote:
It is hilariously sad however when no one recognizes some one like Wapel. I intentionally held back for a while just to see if anyone else would recognize him, apparently not. It just shows the community isn't recognizing these aspects anymore.

The what now?

I saw an awful lot of people stopping and checking out his army, and chatting to him about it. He was most definitely 'recognised'.

The fact that the guy who won the event got more attention than the guy with the prettiest army is hardly a sign that there is something wrong with the community.

 
   
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 Red Corsair wrote:
I think its best not to divide the hobby and shove people into boxes when it comes to such an individualistic hobby. Honestly this country is WAY to massive and the hobby way to niche to draw any meaningful data from logistics.

 Red Corsair wrote:
Unfortunately top player for most is devolved into WAAC list building, with in a lot of cases, awful looking armies. If not hobby wise, then theme wise.
Yet all anyone talks about on any forum is Nick Nanavatis second win in the singles back to back. To me, Wapels title is MUCH more venerable, and his presence brings more to any event then some Silly cricus list that is tailored to actually avoid engaging with your opponents until last turn where you land on "objectives".

You are contradicting yourself. Both should be congratulated on their accomplishments and saying things like one is better than the other directly contradicts your previous statement. Interestingly enough Jy2 has done exactly what you said people should do and started this off with pictures of armies he enjoyed seeing and is going on to batreps which will be a mixture of competitive and funsies events. Good job BTW Jy2 always a please


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I think you'd be better off defining "top" player.

To me, a top player is that guy who spent the last 3 years modeling his army to finally meet the theme and standards he wanted to show off to an events audience. That paired with a great attitude to try and make the day enjoyable for all his opponents.

This is actually painting and not "playing" 40K as the painting aspect is normally done by himself. Now if he were to paint part of a model and pass it to another and so on then we could play 40K painting with each other. Alas I would definitely ruin his paint jobs as he is several skill levels above me.


 Red Corsair wrote:
I think there is a middle ground here for sure. It is hilariously sad however when no one recognizes some one like Wapel. I intentionally held back for a while just to see if anyone else would recognize him, apparently not. It just shows the community isn't recognizing these aspects anymore.

Not true Nick doesn't even have his own blog as far as I am aware of, therefore Wapel does have his own fandom and recognition. If there is indeed a large awareness difference what you are seeing is the ratio of gamers vs painters in the hobby as are on the internet and that site. Considering the number of bare grey armies out there I would say the gamer tends to be a bit more prevalent in the hobby but I could be wrong.

 Red Corsair wrote:
In conclusion I'll reiterate that player responsibility should have more weight. The community should pat that "top 16" on the back less and maybe they will come around a bit. As long as people only recognize a seat number nothing will get changed though. So be it, let the sharks get sick of eating shark for a change lol.

Personal responsibility in a group is a fascinating topic. As it turns out the more people who have to be responsible the less responsible each of them are as they will all think that their actions have less weight. Asking a group of more than 10 people to all be responsible and restrain themselves is a great thing to talk about but is so far removed from reality that it is similar to talking about how every person on this site can bench 300 pounds, actually getting everyone to bench 300 pds might be easier.

Also sharks never get sick of eating sharks. There are even ecosystems where some of the sharks have evolved to become the krill eaters, etc. that the other sharks prey on.

Also to be fair you knock on Nick and his FMC circus a lot in your post. FMC is not an easy list to play and if you mess up you loose huge chunks of it and can easily loose in a single turn. If the player wasn't seriously skilled he would have lost to any of those lists in the top 16 and most any list you put together with some forethought can engage a FMC circus but a good player can use the FMC circus strengths to win. Nick deserves some serious props for his win and so does Wapel for his excellent army, Wapel gets his every time someone looks at that fantastic art piece of an army but Nick only gets his when he wins a GT.
   
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 insaniak wrote:
 Red Corsair wrote:
It is hilariously sad however when no one recognizes some one like Wapel. I intentionally held back for a while just to see if anyone else would recognize him, apparently not. It just shows the community isn't recognizing these aspects anymore.

The what now?

I saw an awful lot of people stopping and checking out his army, and chatting to him about it. He was most definitely 'recognised'.

The fact that the guy who won the event got more attention than the guy with the prettiest army is hardly a sign that there is something wrong with the community.


I mean online after the fact. I here WAY more chatter on dakka about top 16. Sorry to be unclear.

   
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@redcorsair-just wondering: How awful looking is my army (Justin Cooks O'vesa Star)? I think that would fall into the category of those WAAC lists. How about Andrew Gonyo's Ovesa star army with 8 piranha (also in JY2s pictures?) You can be honest, not gonna hurt my feelings...I just think its very sweeping to say that most armies you likely consider waac also look 'awful'

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