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Apart from the points cost (which people do sometimes get wrong) the errors sound kind of like what people say about Tau when they're bitter about being shot by a shooty army. Every unit has everything and so on. Are you sure this player has even read his Codex instead of learning all about Tau from whine posts on boards like this?

Yes. A lot of people learn 40k by proxy and it's really a big problem, especially with armies which are hyped up like Tau.

Most "cheaters" are just failing at playing properly. I would just bring this up directly and just be like, "Look man, I checked your points, you're way over all the time, some of your stats in-game are way wrong too. I don't know if it's just a mistake or not but either way, I'm gonna need you to be a little more conscientious of this stuff."

Or, you just ask to be shown where in the rules these alleged things exist. That also works. Cheaters pull the "Oh I guess I had it wrong" thing, though, so it won't determine if he's cheating or not...just get him to forcibly acknowledge the rule as written.

Offer some assistance, off he is newer tell him (or show) about battle scribe. Just ask to see the list and the points and offer up your list as well. If he is cheating, he will know you know, if it is an honest mistake it won't happen again.

Watch Casino. There are some good ideas in that movie.

Drag him out back and beat the **** outta him, steal his models and sell them for $10.

In all seriousness he should have a list with point values. With the exception of my best friend, if you don't have a list, or can't write one up quickly, I don't play you. If you won't allow me a glance at your codex to verify something, I won't play you. If you smell like you've been running a marathon all day and didn't have the decency to shower afterward, I don't play you. If you play Lord of the Rings (or Star Wars, or Final Fantasy 7) music on your iPhone while we play, I won't play you. Okay that last one may be a bit harsh, but I am being specific to those genres.

Grow some nuts and call him out.

I don't see why you need to ask this as a question or pay $50 instead of asking to look at his book.

Well Tau are pretty under powered..... just give the guy a break

Cheaters?

Bring that borrowed book with you the next time. Have him either give you a list.. or email one w/ points.

If you don't have the book at the time, get battlescribe or something like that. Ask for the list and plug it in...

Just be like ouch, looks like your way over points.. ( oh, I thought we were playing 1k points.. let me add 500 more to my list) or nah, she is t3.. not 5.. see... ( show him in the book or file and move on)

You will get one of a couple of responses.. if they are not cheating on purpose.. they will be like oh.. okay.. fix it and move on.. If they are cheating on purpose.. they will stop because being caught embarrasses them. Or, they will rage and or be a prick about it. If its the last one, tell him thanks but no thanks.

If you play him again and it was response one or two and its still going on.. then its either time to stop playing this person. Or be straight up, hey we talked about this last time.. why did you do xxx.

Get the Big Rule Book. Raise it up in the air. So if you are playing a 1000 point game, tell him, 1000 points of his army is safe. ANYTHING over 1000 points, gets smacked with the BRB.

Stare at him and watch him squirm.

Before the game talk about how you enjoyed reading the Tau Codex.
Calmly place it next to you.
Express interest in his army list and ask to see it.
Raise an eyebrow looking at it and ask "Is there anything you would like to correct?".
If he says no, say: "Well, no thanks then. It is a great army when fielded correctly."

I'm in agreement. I've had to deal with this before and the best response is call it and cite it. You don't have to be mean, just fair. If they act like a kid, time to find another game.

Discipline is really needed. Not in a parenting way, but in a "you wasted our time" way. Make sure he knows how bad it is. the kid at the club who cheats plays with younger kids who cant stand up for themselves. As they get older I noticed they play people who are kind and will let this thing go.

Simply dont tolerate it. It pays to make sure people know when he plays them. I know its different if you are a pick up gamer, but if you can make sure, until he stops cheating, that people he plays are told he is a cheater and not to stand for it.

Soon he will change into a respectable player.

Just make sure you know the difference between mistakes and cheats first. But after watching a few games or playing a few games its easy to tell.

Can I ask the OP a question?

For the purpose of research, does he roll his dice and pick them up quickly all the time?

Call him out. I've dealt with cheating before. Make him write his list with points on it. Call him out, and if he won't stop it, then refuse to play him

 marrowick wrote:
Call him out. I've dealt with cheating before. Make him write his list with points on it. Call him out, and if he won't stop it, then refuse to play him

Agreed, dont let them think they can get away with it.

Having 1050 points in a 1000 points game is a mistake.

Having 1500 points in a 1000 points game is cheating.

There's no conceivable way that you can spend that many extra points and *not* know you're over-spending.

I´d simply refuse to play him again. I´m not there to educate anyone, I´m there to have a blast playing a game I like with people I like.
If he asks why, he´ll get his answer straight, I can´t be loved by everyone.

When I play somebody new or somebody who hasn't played against Orks in a while, I always offer a copy of my list before that match (obviously after both lists are written).

I find that the other player appreciates the gesture and it helps to show that I'm an honest player.

I would just ask him to provide you the same and just question any errors that you see.

There's no need to be hostile, but rather help out the guy if he has made honest mistakes. Otherwise let him know that what he is doing isn't right and people in our community lookdown on this sort of thing.

Don't be passive aggressive like a lot of people are saying.
You need to stand up for yourself. Like Swastakowey is saying, you need to be firm with him. Players like him scare off a lot of newbies from the game.

One time after me and my friend finished a game we went over to watch a game where our friend (a relatively new player) was facing off against a blatant cheater. Once we figured out he was cheating we tore into him pointing out every obvious cheat he was doing. Like putting storm shields on GK and saying that psychic hoods prevent all psychic powers. As well as adding a cool 500 points to his 1000 point list. People like that really need to be dealt with firmly before they ruin games for other people.

A lot of advice in here, some confrontational, some not.

Regardless, if you do nothing, you are giving your tacit approval of either blatant cheating or horrible mistakes.

Either don't play him, or talk to him about it.

I deal with difficult people all the time (part of my job, and in other circumstances use me as a diplomat at times).
The key is to not escalate a potentially bad situation to worse.

You can usually tell is someone is a jerk, or just making mistakes - you can start non-confrontational with both types, but usually jerks are prone to get very defensive.

For example, if you want to call someone out on something, from least confrontational to most is...

"Hey, I didn't think it worked that way, would you mind showing me that rule? I would like to see it myself to see how I may have got it wrong".

"Hmmm...I am not sure it works that way, you might want to look that up...I don't mind waiting".

"Hey, just to let you know, that rule does not work that way. Sure, I would be happy to look it up and show you"

"Excuse me, do you realize that is not correct? Yeah, if we are going to keep playing, then look that up".

"Do you realize you are doing that wrong?"

"Dude, that is plain wrong, you are doing it wrong."

"Look, you list is wrong, and many of the units do not play like you have been saying. Either please start using the actual rules, or I won't be playing you again, ever".

If they refuse such requests, then ...

"I am sorry you feel that way, we are done. I won't be playing you again. I am sure anyone else who checks your rules and list will come to the same conclusion".

If they get rude about it...walk away.
Its not worth getting into a shouting match (or worse) in a game store.

Wait.........everyone is missing the point of this post. I just found out I can bring 1500 points to my 1000 point games.



Dear lord..........I didn't even know that was an option.

 Saevus wrote:
Wait.........everyone is missing the point of this post. I just found out I can bring 1500 points to my 1000 point games.



Dear lord..........I didn't even know that was an option.

Well yeah. The point limit is more what you'd call "guidelines" than actual rules.

I've changed my advice once again.

Challenge him to a duel at dawn. Make sure the sun is at your back. You will have the advantage.

I agree with what others have said here. Ask to see his list. And just correct him politely. I pride myself on my rules knowledge. I've always been good at interpreting rules. My mate messages me and asks when he's unsure of a rule. I do this sort of thing all the time. I was playing at a tournament recently and my opponent was trying to say that popping smoke from his rhino gave the disembarked unit a cover save. I was like "I'm quite sure it only gives the rhino a cover save". He tried to argue the point so I pulled out the rule and showed it to him. No hard feelings were had.

Know the rules really well and you shouldn't get cheated. It's also the secret to being good at the game.