Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you:
No adverts like this in the forums anymore.
Times and dates in your local timezone.
Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance.
Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely.
Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net.
If you are already a member then feel free to login now.
For me, at least, I play for the fluff. I read everything there is to know about my army, and try to play them on the TT as they would in the fluff.TBH, sometimes I get a little annoyed with my opponent when he contradicts it. However, if you don't like the fluff, fine by me. Give me a good player, and you can play for whatever reason you want!
Pouncey wrote: To be honest, I hate the WH40k fluff too.
I hate how brutal and depressing and cruel and gory everything is, which is why I made my own custom armies with custom fluff that's not all dark and icky and brutal.
I got into the game without knowing anything about the fluff. The story of how I got into the game is that no one at the local store wanted to play MageKnight one day, but a friend of mine and a group of his friends were there playing WH40k, so I figured, enh, why not.
40k's lore is a parody of the extreme over the top darkness prevalent in the fiction of the 80s and 90s.
It's a joke you can only really get if you lived through the era of rob liefeld and XTREME.
Agreed. The 80s and 90s were very silly.
Also 90's Kid(who largely parodies the comic book stuff which ties into the culture at the time):
This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2014/04/16 13:02:44
Pouncey wrote: To be honest, I hate the WH40k fluff too.
I hate how brutal and depressing and cruel and gory everything is, which is why I made my own custom armies with custom fluff that's not all dark and icky and brutal.
I got into the game without knowing anything about the fluff. The story of how I got into the game is that no one at the local store wanted to play MageKnight one day, but a friend of mine and a group of his friends were there playing WH40k, so I figured, enh, why not.
40k's lore is a parody of the extreme over the top darkness prevalent in the fiction of the 80s and 90s.
It's a joke you can only really get if you lived through the era of rob liefeld and XTREME.
I think that was the case but I think current writers have lost sight of the parody aspect.
twinner wrote: Hey guys, so I really enjoy 40k. But here is the thing, I don't care about fluff,I like playing.I also don't pain my own models but pay to have them painted. I like 40k for the gaming and atmosphere.
What is your opinion on this?
What makes you play 40k or any other game?
Am I a bad person for not liking the fluff?
Hit this thread up with your opinions.
Perfectly fine. It's your hobby. Do what you enjoy.
Pouncey wrote: To be honest, I hate the WH40k fluff too.
I hate how brutal and depressing and cruel and gory everything is, which is why I made my own custom armies with custom fluff that's not all dark and icky and brutal.
I got into the game without knowing anything about the fluff. The story of how I got into the game is that no one at the local store wanted to play MageKnight one day, but a friend of mine and a group of his friends were there playing WH40k, so I figured, enh, why not.
40k's lore is a parody of the extreme over the top darkness prevalent in the fiction of the 80s and 90s.
It's a joke you can only really get if you lived through the era of rob liefeld and XTREME.
I think that was the case but I think current writers have lost sight of the parody aspect.
And why they stopped letting Bolt Thrower make songs based on WFB and 40k.
For those who have never heard of Bolt Thrower here's a taste:
Kain wrote: 40k is mechanically speaking, an unbalanced, confusing mess.
This. But hey if you like that, kudos for you.
The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
-- Adam Serwer
My blog
I got the 40k itch while stuck on a marine base in Okinawa in the late 90s for seven months. Some of the guys played. There was a chaos player with a bloodletter that always tore stuff up. A guard guy with a bunch of tanks, a dark eldar player who usually got slaughtered and an eldar player. I didn't particularly know the game or fluff, but the eldar just grabbed my attention.
Sadly the things that grabbed my attention never seemed to really pan out in the rules. When I started building my army I cared nothing for fluff or modeling. I just put up with it so I could play the game. The fluff never really drew me in except on the most superficial level of how I thought the units should perform in game.
I increasingly enjoyed the modeling and painting over time and became more displeased with the gameplay over time. Did not like 5th because I felt some unique flavor of the armies, the thing I liked most about the game, was being lost.
ClockworkZion wrote: And why they stopped letting Bolt Thrower make songs based on WFB and 40k.
For those who have never heard of Bolt Thrower here's a taste:
COOOOOOKIEEEEEEEEE!
(I actually owned and liked this album prolly like 15 years before I ever started 40k)
twinner wrote: Hey guys, so I really enjoy 40k. But here is the thing, I don't care about fluff,I like playing.I also don't pain my own models but pay to have them painted. I like 40k for the gaming and atmosphere.
What is your opinion on this?
What makes you play 40k or any other game?
Am I a bad person for not liking the fluff?
Hit this thread up with your opinions.
Nope your not a bad person...GW fluff is typically pretty bad and cheesy. An acquired taste! The fluff only matters in your own mind...and if you have friends who are also interested in it, but it is 100% NOT required to play and enjoy ther game.
I play 40k for Special Rules mojo. And for rolling buckets of dice. LOTR rules for skirmish games (it cannot be said often enough for my taste how awesome LOTR rules are), and Hail Caesar for realistic "no-mojo" games.
Pouncey wrote: To be honest, I hate the WH40k fluff too.
I hate how brutal and depressing and cruel and gory everything is, which is why I made my own custom armies with custom fluff that's not all dark and icky and brutal.
I got into the game without knowing anything about the fluff. The story of how I got into the game is that no one at the local store wanted to play MageKnight one day, but a friend of mine and a group of his friends were there playing WH40k, so I figured, enh, why not.
40k's lore is a parody of the extreme over the top darkness prevalent in the fiction of the 80s and 90s.
It's a joke you can only really get if you lived through the era of rob liefeld and XTREME.
I think that was the case but I think current writers have lost sight of the parody aspect.
The satire lives on in some writers, and especially in the Orks who embody everything upper class Englishmen abhor about lower class British culture minus the casual sex.
Midnightdeathblade wrote: Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
twinner wrote: Hey guys, so I really enjoy 40k. But here is the thing, I don't care about fluff,I like playing.I also don't pain my own models but pay to have them painted. I like 40k for the gaming and atmosphere.
What is your opinion on this?
What makes you play 40k or any other game?
Am I a bad person for not liking the fluff?
Hit this thread up with your opinions.
You're certainly not a bad person for not liking the fluff, but fluff is what makes 40k what it is, from a purely gameplay perspective 40k is atrocious as a ruleset, especially with what this edition has turned into.
If you're just in it for the gaming, I'd really look to something that just works better as a game. Something like Infinity, Warmachine, Flames of War, etc.
IRON WITHIN, IRON WITHOUT.
New Heavy Gear Log! Also...Grey Knights! The correct pronunciation is Imperial Guard and Stormtroopers, "Astra Militarum" and "Tempestus Scions" are something you'll find at Hogwarts.
If you're just in it for the gaming, I'd really look to something that just works better as a game. Something like Infinity, Warmachine, Flames of War, etc.
Can't argue taste, I guess, but as a game, I've find Iinfinity and Warmachine to be vastly inferior... even though, for Infinity at least, fluff is actually quite intriguing. Though Warmachine isn't the best setting ever, I've also enjoyed some of the new Warmachine novels. Both games - as games - are atrocious though and nowhere near as fun as 40K. I'd happily play a 40Kified Infinity/Warmachine over their current bland rules.
Makumba wrote: I don't think that w40k fluff is much better then its rules . Wolf of the wolf wolf , angelic blood claws of blood and skulls everywhere aren't much better then ++2 re-rollable invs or D weapons.
Well, that is special snowflake marines. Certainly not the most interesting part of the fluff. It is only there because they need to make those different for the sake of different.
"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1
Dakkamite wrote: Not a bad person, but I gotta say I question your taste if you play 40k for the gameplay
Pretty much this.
If all you care about gameplay and don't care about the quality of fluff, I'd play Warmachine/Hordes. Their fluff is super derpy, but the rules are very solid. Of course, I use the term "quality" loosely, since GW puts out a whole lot of derpy stuff themselves, but the setting itself is far more interesting.
Dunno about that, tbh.
I played Warmachine for the first time last week. Frankly, I was kind of underwhelmed by the gameplay. Yeah, it seems a lot more balanced, and intuitive (which is a big plus). But it just feels so... sterile. It lacks the charm of 40K, imo.
The charm being the lack of balance and counterintuitive ruleset?
Dakkamite wrote: Not a bad person, but I gotta say I question your taste if you play 40k for the gameplay
Pretty much this.
If all you care about gameplay and don't care about the quality of fluff, I'd play Warmachine/Hordes. Their fluff is super derpy, but the rules are very solid. Of course, I use the term "quality" loosely, since GW puts out a whole lot of derpy stuff themselves, but the setting itself is far more interesting.
Dunno about that, tbh.
I played Warmachine for the first time last week. Frankly, I was kind of underwhelmed by the gameplay. Yeah, it seems a lot more balanced, and intuitive (which is a big plus). But it just feels so... sterile. It lacks the charm of 40K, imo.
The charm being the lack of balance and counterintuitive ruleset?
Eh, 40k's rules aren't that bad. I mean we're not required to only roll dice with our feet (yet).
I think the scale of 40k has a lot of charm. It's not so big that you lose the feeling of individuality the models can have like in WFB or a historical game, but is large enough that it feels like you actually have command of at least part of an army.
Martel732 wrote: Flames of War was written by former GW guys I believe. Same problems, different skins on the models.
If true it makes all the praise I hear for it kind of hilarious.
The rules let German tanks with a TOP speed of 26 mph move/shoot/move while you stare helplessly. Yeah.
Its not that bad really, especially if you play early war. But moving makes it harder to shoot, along with the enemy skill, their cover and type, along with the range. So instead of simplifying down to stupidity, once you add in all the rules its not nearly as bad as made out.
While I know its the 40K of historic games, its still a huge improvement over 40k and for the most part is really balanced and leads to very close games almost all the time. Let alone the fact that history is far better than space fluff and people will take it more seriously when you try introduce them to a game
Its not perfect, but its great if you dont want a tedious historic skirmish game and its even better at getting GW players out of their shell to show them better rule sets etc.
Pouncey wrote: To be honest, I hate the WH40k fluff too.
I hate how brutal and depressing and cruel and gory everything is, which is why I made my own custom armies with custom fluff that's not all dark and icky and brutal.
I got into the game without knowing anything about the fluff. The story of how I got into the game is that no one at the local store wanted to play MageKnight one day, but a friend of mine and a group of his friends were there playing WH40k, so I figured, enh, why not.
40k's lore is a parody of the extreme over the top darkness prevalent in the fiction of the 80s and 90s.
It's a joke you can only really get if you lived through the era of rob liefeld and XTREME.
I think that was the case but I think current writers have lost sight of the parody aspect.
The satire lives on in some writers, and especially in the Orks who embody everything upper class Englishmen abhor about lower class British culture minus the casual sex.
The orks are very much football hooligans taken to the extreme. That said even they seem to be treated with less humour than they once were.
If you're just in it for the gaming, I'd really look to something that just works better as a game. Something like Infinity, Warmachine, Flames of War, etc.
Can't argue taste, I guess, but as a game, I've find Iinfinity and Warmachine to be vastly inferior... even though, for Infinity at least, fluff is actually quite intriguing. Though Warmachine isn't the best setting ever, I've also enjoyed some of the new Warmachine novels. Both games - as games - are atrocious though and nowhere near as fun as 40K. I'd happily play a 40Kified Infinity/Warmachine over their current bland rules.
Can't say much about FoW.
Haven't heard many who share that opinion with you. Why do you find them inferior?
This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2014/04/17 00:43:03
I have tried Warmachine as stated earlier in the thread. I like large amount of models, Warmachine didn't do it for me.
I am still rather green into the wargaming scene, but I love 40k, the game play and all! And I do find the fluff interesting, I just don't care enough to avidly read it.
Wales: Where the Men are Men and the sheep are Scared.
twinner wrote: I have tried Warmachine as stated earlier in the thread. I like large amount of models, Warmachine didn't do it for me.
I am still rather green into the wargaming scene, but I love 40k, the game play and all! And I do find the fluff interesting, I just don't care enough to avidly read it.
Thats fair. I personally seem to prefer smaller numbers of models for anything involving guns more advanced than muskets and larger numbers for historical or fantasy.
Thought for the day 
)
Fluff for the Fluff God! 
