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Tau crisis suits. Things look bloody awful. Sure my tau might not be as effective without em, but meh. I'd never buy a model I don't like visually. Also the usual stuff, centurions, new ogryns, any of the SM flyers. In fact most of GWs releases these days.

BrianDavion wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
Riptides, they completely go against all the tau fluff to that point. That and I love crisis suits.

as Tau are where I'm admittingly weak fluff wise, I'm curious how they go against the fluff

Old fluff for Tau said they thought a number of smaller war machines were more practical than a single larger machine.

OT: Centurions. Astartes should be fast, these aren't

I would love to field a superheavy in our Apoc games, but I cannot stomach buying/painting/fielding a Lord of Skulls. Has to be the DUMBEST looking model I've ever seen, on top of being stupid expensive.

Penitent Engines. I freaking love the model but its just such a liability to use in game.

Jakero. I love the rules but hate the idea of an Imperial space monkey, so I modeled my own 'counts as.'

Astartes should be fast, these aren't

Terminators have never been fast.

Taurox. Like seriously? Why? Why make it look so bad?

 Psienesis wrote:

Astartes should be fast, these aren't

Terminators have never been fast.

But one could argue that since they have access to teleportation mechanisms, they fare well (in the fluff, tabletop's a different matter) as a 'drop-in, kill-all' type deal.
Centurions are pretty much (in my understanding of them) made for siege warfare, and marines probably aren't best used for protracted sieges.

Or at least, that's what I think the previous poster was getting at.

Also, I just remembered how much I detest SM attack bikes. They just look.....wrong.

 Psienesis wrote:

Astartes should be fast, these aren't

Terminators have never been fast.

In crunch terms they are no slower than the next Space Marine.

Also Taurox annoys me so bad, GW had a amazing looking model, then they decided to ruin it with those stoopid, stoopid tracks.

I refuse to use Wraithknights, the Codex flyers and any psychers on bikes.

EIther they don't fit with my Craftworld's philosophy(Wraithknights), trampled over established fluff in other books(Codex flyers), or were a rule in a prior Codex that I think makes sense and keeps me from paying the current fad (Jetseers/Locks).

Sm bikes and attack bikes. They just look and feel wrong.

Heavy bolter marines. If I have the chance for a heavy weapon, I'll either take an actual heavy weapon or just keep the damn bolter.

Thousand Sons and the Land Raider.

Former due to fluff and general disinterest, latter due to points and better Heavy Support units.

Another one for Riptides. Hate the idea of them and the fact that they're as good as they are makes me hate them even more. I like my Tau to be underdogs, goddammit!

For Eldar it would be Shining Spears and Harlequins.

For Imperial Guard it would be Wyverns and Wyrdvane Psykers.

Mutilators.

One day I may make alternate models for them (Like converting Assault Centurions, like I am converting Devastator Centurions to act as Obliterators) but until then I will never consider using them.

Besides, I have enough assault utility in my army as it is.

Guard: Ratlings. I hate the models and I hate sniper rifles I'm this game.

CSM: Mutilators. I can find a list and purpose (fun or competitive) for just about every other model except these.

Grey Knights: Purgitation Squads. Their weapon options and the fact that they are pretty out classed by everything else in the heavy support slot.

Anything popular.

I'm kidding, I'm not nearly hipster enough to pull that off.

With my Sisters army: Penitent Engines. Not only is it one of the worst kits to try and built (and horribly fragile even when pinned) but frankly I just don't see any way to get use out of them.

For the Vostroyans I'm building: any model where there is no model (example: Autocannon Heavy Weapon teams) I won't field unless/until I convert up proper models to fit in. Sure the codex talks about mixed regiments but I want Space Cossacks, not "Space Cossacks and their 15 Cadian friends"!

The Stormtalon. God, so awful.

Ripper swarms, just don't like them.

I actually mentioned this in another thread. To help establish themes within my various armies I look at units to not take, things they wouldn't utilize within their doctrine or not have access to.

Emperor's Watchdogs: Space Wolf rules... no Thunderwolf cav or Fenrisian Wolf backs. They're descended from Space Wolves, sure, but they're 10th founding. They follow a similar tactical doctrine to the Space Wolves but they don't hail from Fenris... or a planet with any giant wildlife for that matter.

Sons of Antaeus: The old farts out there might remember the Sons of Antaeus from the 3rd Edition Chapter Approved days. Way back then they were loyalist marines with Toughness 5 which was cool. Those rules are super out dated though so now I use the Red Scorpions rules so that all of my veteran sergeants are also Apothecaries. Feel No Pain goes a long way. Antaeus, a figure from Greek and Berber mythology, was encountered by Hercules during his trials. He was unbeatable in hand to hand combat so long as he kept his feet on the ground. So I don't take anything with Jump packs, no Storm Talons, Storm Ravens, or Speeders.

Lamenters: Blood Angels rules, no Death Company. Lamenters are descended from Blood Angels, certainly, but they're not nearly as prone to the Black Rage.

Gehennan 431st: An Imperial Guard regiment hailing from a Mechanicum storage world. No Rough riders, no Ogryns, no Ratlings... very limited Plasma weaponry but plenty of flamers. All of their vehicles and equipment are things that could be mothballed for decades at a time before being dusted off, refueled, and sent back to the front.

I refuse riptides. I love stealth suits and if i had the cash i would run 18 of them. I also dont take scions, they seem a little absurd, any tau special characters, the models are ugly, and ogryns.


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 A Town Called Malus wrote:
I like my Tau to be underdogs, goddammit!

The sheer absurdity of tau underdogs with the current codex is a tad laughable. No offense. I play tau as well.

Dannyevilguy wrote:Ratlings.

I will use all manor of counts as, but I will never use the actual ratling sniper models as I think they are hideous.

I'm using those badboys for mine.

They're Elysian Drop Troops, from the sniper team box. Gonna cover them in netting and leaves as ghillies.

jhe90 wrote:Centurians, its near on 50quid for 3 models.

Just too exepnsive

jesus, what? Centurions* are one of the cheapest models in the game! At 95AUD, 3 Centurions nets you 270 points which is about a 3-1 point ratio (closer to 2.84), which is LEAGUES ahead of the TFC at almost 1 for 1 AUD, ahead of the Tac squad at around 2.53 to 1, the Rhino is a whopping 55 AUD for 35 points! That's a price ratio of less than 1-1! (about .63-1, of course you usually buy a razorback rather than a rhino.) Of all the units in the entire space marine codex, Centurions are one of the cheapest. Even if you take them with heavy bolters and hurricane bolters - which you never would - you're looking at a little less than 2-1

Heldrakes in CSM.

Centurions & Stormravens in SM.

Two reasons:
1: because I think they are broken. They are so good that using them makes me feel like cheating
2: because they are ugly.

And I will never use a scale-breaking model, a model so big it has no place in what I like to think it is a skirmish game: Dreadknights, IK, Riptides...

Any character with name. Why given them glory when your commanders can gain it?.Besides, for example ,what in the world would Failbaddon do in a skirmish with mine guys on some backwater moon?

 The Home Nuggeteer wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:
I like my Tau to be underdogs, goddammit!

The sheer absurdity of tau underdogs with the current codex is a tad laughable. No offense. I play tau as well.

I know, I miss the old Tau codex...

Still, if you apply the old Farsight limitations you can make a pretty underdogish army. Limited markerlights, tanks, broadsides etc.

Mine would have to be Kutlakh, the World Killer, really nice fluff and abilities. But I don't like CC oriented HQ in a shooty army. I'd also say wraiths for the same reason, but I do run a wraithwing for tournaments.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
Riptides, they completely go against all the tau fluff to that point. That and I love crisis suits.

A battlesuit goes against their fluff? eh...

So the only unit its difficult to justify is the Falcon. Even though it isn't a useless unit, you find 100 ways not to include it in an army.

Abhumans, Rough Riders, Commissars, Thunderfires, Techmarines, SM Sternguards, SM Vanguards, SM Scouts and Centurions.

Rough riders. Everything else I can see a use for even if it's a lame one.

My other grrlfreinds have already stated our wonderful open topped melee rhino as an ass pain to deal with, I'd see them our other lackluster pile of crud:

Repentia.

Imagine a T3 Ork with no assault vehicle, no gun, always strikes last, and it about 14 pts a piece.

Too expenisve to be bullet catchers. Too weak to be a an anvil. Too slow to be a threat in close combat.

Plus, I get it. The fluff makes for naked ladies. But I really do hate the general perversion that infiltrates an already male dominated hobby. That's why the SoB are at least cool. Yea, the "boobie" armor is silly, but given the limitations on models at the time, it made sense to at least show they were females. Females in full armor, that is.

 TheKbob wrote:
My other grrlfreinds have already stated our wonderful open topped melee rhino as an ass pain to deal with, I'd see them our other lackluster pile of crud:

Repentia.

Imagine a T3 Ork with no assault vehicle, no gun, always strikes last, and it about 14 pts a piece.

Too expenisve to be bullet catchers. Too weak to be a an anvil. Too slow to be a threat in close combat.

Plus, I get it. The fluff makes for naked ladies. But I really do hate the general perversion that infiltrates an already male dominated hobby. That's why the SoB are at least cool. Yea, the "boobie" armor is silly, but given the limitations on models at the time, it made sense to at least show they were females. Females in full armor, that is.

I liked Repentia because they put their money where their mouth is and put total trust in the Emperor and sought redemption for their sins (real or perceived) in combat. By their own fluff they're dressed in the remains of their old robes so they don't -need- to be naked (though C:WH feels they should be pretty darn close it seems). I thought that was pretty cool. Plus they have a chainsword that can carve Monoliths in half.

The change to their rules and Feel No Pain being lost outside of one Act of Faith only useable during the Fight Sub-Phase and being too expensive for their utility and fragility I had to shelve them for the rest of the edition at least.