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Yeah, if the material depends on th result of the kickstarter, it might be helpful for them to actually say as much in the pitch, with the relevant goals for each option.

If they don't actually have that information yet, that wouldn't bode well for the project as whole, really.

Looks great, but there's nothing there I want to buy.

I'm seeing a LOT I want to buy here - IF the material is 'right'!

I don't expect to hear anything soon in regards of material and price point.

I hope after the kickstarter ends we don't end up getting a update 6 months months from now saying after budge concerns they have to switch material from original decided choice. Like that one kickstarter.

I see some designs I rather like. Unfortunately, none of them are available a la carte. Most of the really cool ones are currently only in the starters. If I do back this, it's only going to be for one or two things.

I really wanted Duel Fighters, but due to a wage hiccup at work I missed out. I'm loving all the designs so far, I really want all of it... Although the kickstarter backlog grows...

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
I'm liking the looks of some of those more heavily armored troopers.

Not sure why, but it's giving me an AT-43 vibe. Those Sayx Vulcans especially are giving me flashbacks of TacArms suits.

Well, I guess as long as the original company is so dead they can't sue you, you can absolutely steal their IP designs for your models.........

 AegisGrimm wrote:
Well, I guess as long as the original company is so dead they can't sue you, you can absolutely steal their IP designs for your models.........

Beyond the features that are forced by the fact that a person has to wear the suit, the similarities are the vambrace mounted weapons and the use of an enclosed cockpit instead of a separate helmet. The TacArms are not the only suits which have that configuration.

Oh yay goody, another kickstarter that got me really excited only to find buried waaay way at the bottom that they're using Special Snowflake Scale.

Ah well, more money for other things.

Ok, at 32-35mm I think these would turn out perfect for some "Dornian Heresy" Centurions

Is there a pic anywhere of their stuff in their scale next to other companies' stuff?

A bit split on this.

The scale is .... odd, but I could honestly see adding in a few 35mm scale WW2 Germans and Moderns for one of those outer end colonial armies, or adding in Mal and the Firefly crew in there, as well as the tanks and other vehicles you can find down at the local toy store for Halo. I really wish there were some already available figures to look at before buying into this.

The AT-43 look is amazing, but at the same time, I remember the good look of the game in a space of a year the company going to complete dogs and me with 3 armies and a bag of egg on my face, along with quite a few other gamers in my area.

Awesome looking game for sure, but hat scale is going to chase off a lot of people.

Scale will be an issue for some (many?), but damn the models look good!

And at least it won't be another 'restic' disaster!

 insaniak wrote:
'Ares Condominium '...?

Nice designs, but too big.

Gotta wonder if that wasn't supposed to be "Ares Codominium"...

Valete,

JohnS

I'm curious why the scale is such an issue. Aren't half the models fully armored or aliens/orcs/somthing not human? Why would the scale matter at all for those? And at 35mm vs the usual 32ish, why wouldn't they just pass as the "Descendants of Dolph" or something?

 Alpharius wrote:
Scale will be an issue for some (many?), but damn the models look good!

And at least it won't be another 'restic' disaster!

Keep in mind that restic is injection moulded plastic too. Seriously not seeing hard plastic in this, the goal is too low.

I do like the look of this, but not sure about the "multiple card decks and resource expenditure" aspects of the game.

I prefer wargames without card decks (and the MtG-style metagame that goes with them) and fethloads of counters.

 scarletsquig wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Scale will be an issue for some (many?), but damn the models look good!

And at least it won't be another 'restic' disaster!

Keep in mind that restic is injection moulded plastic too. Seriously not seeing hard plastic in this, the goal is too low.

I do like the look of this, but not sure about the "multiple card decks and resource expenditure" aspects of the game.

I prefer wargames without card decks (and the MtG-style metagame that goes with them) and fethloads of counters.

Are not the game cards just stat cards for units?

They mentioned they will not use restic.

If they can't do a plastic mold injection option they will choose resin or metal.

Resin will take a long time though.

 scarletsquig wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Scale will be an issue for some (many?), but damn the models look good!

And at least it won't be another 'restic' disaster!

Keep in mind that restic is injection moulded plastic too. Seriously not seeing hard plastic in this, the goal is too low.

I do like the look of this, but not sure about the "multiple card decks and resource expenditure" aspects of the game.

I prefer wargames without card decks (and the MtG-style metagame that goes with them) and fethloads of counters.

I know you're a bit of a Mantic Super-Fan, but I'm pretty sure you know exactly what I meant about 'restic' here.

The creators of this KS know too, as I'm pretty sure they've already said it won't be 'restic', it will either be hard plastic, 'real' resin, or metal.

 scarletsquig wrote:


Keep in mind that restic is injection moulded plastic too. Seriously not seeing hard plastic in this, the goal is too low.

I do like the look of this, but not sure about the "multiple card decks and resource expenditure" aspects of the game.

I prefer wargames without card decks (and the MtG-style metagame that goes with them) and fethloads of counters.

Says someone who purchased a gack-load of Deadzone...which has multiple decks of cards and fethloads of counters...

 Alpharius wrote:
The creators of this KS know too, as I'm pretty sure they've already said it won't be 'restic', it will either be hard plastic, 'real' resin, or metal.

To be fair, 'Restic' isn't really a thing. Its a buzzword created by Mantic for marketing PVC miniatures, and there may be unfamiliarity with the term.. especially with a new company.

Its still an Injection Molded Plastic, just not Polystrene or ABS... and it can be a hard plastic... just like Poly Urethane.

Mantic didn't create the word, in fact they never refer to this shoddy material as 'restic' they use the term 'sprueless plastic'. It is awful for infantry sized figures and fine for monstrous sized infantry and larger.

I would go with assuming these will be resin minis. Simply because all the character models are already made in resin, albeit in 75mm scale.

And for the record, their resin casts are absolutely top quality, I have a couple. The Abyssal Warlord is on of the finest minis I've had my hands on in the last 12 months.

overtyrant wrote:
Mantic didn't create the word, in fact they never refer to this shoddy material as 'restic' they use the term 'sprueless plastic'. It is awful for infantry sized figures and fine for monstrous sized infantry and larger.

Good point, and spot on.

If it can't be 'real hard plastic' then I'd be OK with "real resin, like the FW stuff" or maybe even metal.

There should be a sticky about materials - and frankly "resin" is all materials that are viscous fluids that turn in to permanent solids. So even pvc is a resin when used in production. The good stuff is strictly speaking poly urethane resin and there are a lot of varieties of that as well.

There are just too many unspecific loose terms thrown around by a lot of companies and most of the time when we don't get specifics other than "resin" or "hard plastic" it's because being specific would be a negative for them...

At this point I am taking Scale Games at their word wanting to make this a High Quality product, given the quality of their existing catalog of large scale stuff. The unspecific nature of the material is probably down to popularity rather than funding. If this seems to be popular enough to have a sustainable future - I am sure they have some means or credit with the banks to push for HIPS or some form of polystyrene. There was a nice thread here on dakka about the economics of styrene plastics saying that you need to sell about 5.000 units to break even with the molds if I recall correctly, unless you charge a premium/unit. It's a big investment and not something worth doing if it's not generating enough buzz. It's a bit of a gamble as clearly stating polysterene or "like gw" gives a certain quality assurance that boost the numbers, but if those numbers don't meet the expectation

If they go the PU resin route with these - it's going to be a lot of work like someone mentioned. At least metal is good for spincasting and I believe that's the most likely material for this at this point.

Disclaimer: Feel free to ignore my musings as they are only speculative.

/Edited for better accuracy of numbers - here is the link to Legoburners excellent thread
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/552663.page

overtyrant wrote:
Mantic didn't create the word, in fact they never refer to this shoddy material as 'restic' they use the term 'sprueless plastic'. It is awful for infantry sized figures and fine for monstrous sized infantry and larger.

They called it 'Resin Plastic' at first, which is where Restic comes from.

The minis look great, the terrain looks good and versatile. The scale is a turn off though as it limits the compatibility with other miniature ranges. *If* these end up being hard plastic, do we know if they will be multi-part poseable?

 Cyporiean wrote:
They called it 'Resin Plastic' at first, which is where Restic comes from.

Hehe yup, and it is exactly that, but unfortunately it's not at all what we would associate with any of the individual words that brought fourth images of high quality and durability in our minds. PR at it's best. Now it's synonymous with a shedload of minis needing a hot bath and a manicurist session

Latest update with scale shot

Hmm.. scale is off, can't use the minis for other games.

Dealbreaker, same as Thon.

overtyrant wrote:
Mantic didn't create the word, in fact they never refer to this shoddy material as 'restic' they use the term 'sprueless plastic'. It is awful for infantry sized figures and fine for monstrous sized infantry and larger.

Incorrect, their first use of the term sprueless plastic was in the Dreadball Kickstarter, or possibly later. Before that point (for over a year) they referred to it exclusively as either Resin Plastic or Plastic Resin.

See KoW KS FaQ: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1744629938/kings-of-war

I have a photographic 5-year memory of basically everything related to the company.

Yep the minis look great but the scale is too far off to be usable in in or with other games or for kit bashing.