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Ho hum.

who keeps feeding the troll?


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Big P wrote:
Ho hum.

I know,....must resist.

Cool info. I was thinking today they need to make a book like that. Wish granted, lol.

On a separate note.. Where did you find info about upcoming stuff? Is there a non flames of war. Com site that gives us spoilers? Would love to see other upcoming things. Thanks!

http://www.flamesofwar.com/Default.aspx?tabid=126&aff=127&aft=563712&afv=topic&afpgj=7#1276005

teajay33 wrote:
Cool info. I was thinking today they need to make a book like that. Wish granted, lol.

On a separate note.. Where did you find info about upcoming stuff? Is there a non flames of war. Com site that gives us spoilers? Would love to see other upcoming things. Thanks!

Yeah, now if only they could have included the other Axis nations on that front as well...

Even after this release, Early war will still have no Romanian or Hungarian lists, even though both nations contributed heavily to the fighting on the Eastern Front.



The picture at the start of the thread appears to be either a flyer sent out as a promotional piece to retailers, or an ad from Wargames Illustrated (the magazine Battlefront owns). Battlefront also updates their own home page around the end of every month (always on a Thursday) with a list of releases for the coming month. Though sometimes the list of upcoming releases gets delayed a bit. You can find the list near the bottom of the FoW front page.

There's still the chance of another Early War book (or more) for the Eastern Front after Barbarossa. Then there's the chance of web briefings that will eventually be rolled into the compilation. That's Battlefront's modus operandi when it comes to their books.

 Ghaz wrote:
There's still the chance of another Early War book (or more) for the Eastern Front after Barbarossa. Then there's the chance of web briefings that will eventually be rolled into the compilation. That's Battlefront's modus operandi when it comes to their books.

Not exactly.

It's been their pattern with Late War. But Early War was strictly hard cover. Rising Sun was a soft cover book, but it was released mainly as an excuse to make the Japanese available (as there's been a demand for them; the Finns got lumped in as a bonus since they were in the right time period). Blitzkrieg, Hellfire and Back, and Burning Empires, were all hard cover books. As such, a hard cover Barbarossa would have followed the previously established pattern.


Mid War, of course, consists *entirely* of two hard cover books.

Eumerin wrote:
It's been their pattern with Late War. But Early War was strictly hard cover. Rising Sun was a soft cover book, but it was released mainly as an excuse to make the Japanese available (as there's been a demand for them; the Finns got lumped in as a bonus since they were in the right time period). Blitzkrieg, Hellfire and Back, and Burning Empires, were all hard cover books. As such, a hard cover Barbarossa would have followed the previously established pattern.


Mid War, of course, consists *entirely* of two hard cover books.

Your 'exception' of Rising Sun has no basis it facts, just your personal bias. It is an Early War book and it is paperback.

Blitzkrieg, Hellfire and Back and Burning Empires were released fairly close to each other and had significant errors that required Battlefront to actually produce stickers to cover sections of the books.

Barbarossa is a paperback book. You have no evidence that there won't be more books nor that there won't be a compilation. Just because the books are for Early War means nothing.

And FYI, Mid War is only in hardcover because the books that they're taken from are out of print V2 books:













And there's probably a few more I'm missing as well.

 Ghaz wrote:

Your 'exception' of Rising Sun has no basis it facts, just your personal bias. It is an Early War book and it is paperback.

It was marketed as "Rising Sun". Ergo, they were using the presence of the Japanese to sell the book (it's not called "Red Star, Red Sun", to pick a possible name at random, which is a perfectly viable title that emphasizes both the Soviets and the Japanese). It's not merely my personal biases. It's Battlefront's own marketing department.

Blitzkrieg, Hellfire and Back and Burning Empires were released fairly close to each other

iirc, Hellfire was released the year after Blitzkrieg. Empires was released a few months after that, and was thematically similar to Hellfire (i.e. both books were focused on the Mediterranean; iirc, Battlefront's explanation was "We had some extra stuff that was neat but didn't fit into Hellfire, and here are some Greeks, too!"). Battlefront also released (in WI) their "Soviets in Poland" list at around that time. Or in other words, there was every reason to expect that Battlefront would have a hard cover Eastern Front book out the year following the release of Hellfire and Empires.

and had significant errors that required Battlefront to actually produce stickers to cover sections of the books.

I'm not sure why this is relevant to the discussion.

Barbarossa is a paperback book. You have no evidence that there won't be more books nor that there won't be a compilation. Just because the books are for Early War means nothing.

They had expectations established. They've decided to chuck those expectations out the window without a bit of explanation.

Also note that this will be the ONLY EW book thus far that focuses exclusively on two combatants. Even Rising Sun had a third nation involved (Finland).

What's with all the 1st edition book covers? How are they relevant, they're ten years old.

Hopefully other nations and some variation for the Soviets will make an appearance as PDFs.

Eumerin wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

Your 'exception' of Rising Sun has no basis it facts, just your personal bias. It is an Early War book and it is paperback.

It was marketed as "Rising Sun". Ergo, they were using the presence of the Japanese to sell the book (it's not called "Red Star, Red Sun", to pick a possible name at random, which is a perfectly viable title that emphasizes both the Soviets and the Japanese). It's not merely my personal biases. It's Battlefront's own marketing department.

And what does any of that have to do with your claims that it "doesn't count" as an Early War paperback book? It covers 1939-41 and is a paperback book. The name doesn't change that. Nor is it the only case. Multiple books only referenced one nation in the name (Stalin's Onslaught, Hammer and Sickle, Stalin's Europe) or don't mention a nation at all (Nuts!, Villers Bocage, Cassino).

Believe whatever you want. They more than amply explained this to you when you brought this up on Battlefront's forums. Moaning about it here is not going to change anything. Battlefront has more than amply shown that their modus operandi is that paperback books get collected into hardback compilations. Just because they released a few hardbacks without 'beta testing' doesn't mean that they're not doing that anymore. The fact that they've gone back to doing so proves that starting with hardback books doesn't work.

 George Spiggott wrote:
What's with all the 1st edition book covers? How are they relevant, they're ten years old.

They're proof that the Mid War books are compilations, just like almost every other hardback book that Battlefront publishes and not new works like Blitzkrieg, etc.

Daemonhammer wrote:


So yeah we are getting a new supplement from BF, Russians and possibly Gerries for Early war.

What I want to know how can us other EW players beat T34 and PZkpW 4 tanks with tankettes?



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Sorry for the oversized picture, I am posting from a phone

I can a imagine its like trying to take out a king tiger with 75 mm Shermans? Except worse? Bring heavy AA? Artillery?