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 Azreal13 wrote:
I think 10mm could be the magic scale for SW, small enough in scale for the likes of the Battle Of Hoth to be feasible on a sensibly sized table, but one where it would still be possible to have individual heroes represented and include rules for their influence.

Hmm. That's just crazy enough to... be the best idea ever!

 Ketara wrote:

DrRansom wrote:
What is the possibility of Fantasy Flight releasing a Star Wars miniatures game? They've proven themselves via the X-Wing game and a miniatures game will let Fantasy Flight move into a higher level of business.

(IMHO: this, not 3D printing, is the major near term threat to GW.)

I heard down the grapevine that when FFG got hold of the SW license, there was actually a plan for this. There were models sculpted, rules, etc. But then Games Workshop said that if FFG produced a 28mm Star Wars game, they'd immediately withdraw all licenses for anything Games Workshop related. As that's where a large bulk of FFG's finances come from, they had to back down, and opted to release a game that was no direct competition to 40K instead (namely, X-Wing).

What's your source on this?

I'm providing none. It might be true, it might be a twisted version, it might be false. It's simply what somebody told me.

 Ketara wrote:

DrRansom wrote:
What is the possibility of Fantasy Flight releasing a Star Wars miniatures game? They've proven themselves via the X-Wing game and a miniatures game will let Fantasy Flight move into a higher level of business.

(IMHO: this, not 3D printing, is the major near term threat to GW.)

I heard down the grapevine that when FFG got hold of the SW license, there was actually a plan for this. There were models sculpted, rules, etc. But then Games Workshop said that if FFG produced a 28mm Star Wars game, they'd immediately withdraw all licenses for anything Games Workshop related. As that's where a large bulk of FFG's finances come from, they had to back down, and opted to release a game that was no direct competition to 40K instead (namely, X-Wing).

I have heard that rumor before - but never from anyone directly connected with FFG. It doesn't quite pass the sniff test either, as Dust is a more direct competitor for 40K than Star Wars, and they didn't have any issues when they picked up Dust. FFG has a bit of a love-hate relationship with miniatures. They love the idea, but they hate the logistics of them compared to their normal product lines.

The WEG game is actually pretty good. Definitely more thematic than some games - but balanced enough to actually be able to play pickup games without having to get too deep into the negotiations. They did three supplements for it to add vehicles and other stuff to deal with larger battles. It was in production long enough and had a broad enough distribution that you can still get most the figures for reasonable prices on eBay. They are 25mm and not very chibi - so next to something from GW...well, it looks off.

There has never been an official "Clix" game with the Star Wars License.

My bad - I had seen what I guess are a lot of "Clix" conversions for Star Wars and never looked closely enough to realize they were conversions from the WotC miniatures (or other non-Star Wars Clix figures).

The other one that I was trying to remember for the figures was the Kenner sets from the 1980s and the Micro Machines sets from the 1990s and into Episodes I through III. The Kenner figures are great - prepainted miniatures before that became a thing, but the size is right...about 25mm so you can mix them with WEG figures (bit larger than 25mm - but still not very chibi). The Micro Machines are 1/72 or 1/76 scale...bit smaller than 25mm - but it was very extensive and they were well detailed for the size (again, prepaints before prepaints). I have a couple of boxes full that have since been replaced with figures in my preferred scale - but they are still pretty easy to find (cranked out by the thousand through big box stores).

 Sean_OBrien wrote:

I have heard that rumor before - but never from anyone directly connected with FFG. It doesn't quite pass the sniff test either, as Dust is a more direct competitor for 40K than Star Wars, and they didn't have any issues when they picked up Dust. FFG has a bit of a love-hate relationship with miniatures. They love the idea, but they hate the logistics of them compared to their normal product lines.

I'm not convinced of that. If any Sci-Fi franchise exists with a range of military themed units and structures ready to pick from, that's already directly within the public consciousness at a far greater level than Warhammer ever was, its Star Wars. Not Alien. Not Starship Troopers. Not even Lord of the Rings. Star Wars has endured four decades, and continues to pump out film after movie, and merchandise after product.

If a well sculpted 28mm Star Wars game with good rules hit the market, and was properly advertised/marketed, it would start to take a significant chunk of GW's market share within a few years. X-Wing alone has already proven to be a magnificent success. Expand that to something in 28mm, a yearly movie TIE-in(ba-dum tish), and a decent marketing budget to put in all the major toy shops, and 40K would find itself under siege.

 LuciusAR wrote:
There have been several over the years but non have really been successful with the exception of X-Wing miniatures.

That kind of depends on your definition of 'successful' I suspect... The WotC game was supposedly outselling D&D for a while.

 LuciusAR wrote:
There have been several over the years but non have really been successful with the exception of X-Wing miniatures.

The WOTC miniatures game was pretty dang successful if you ask me. I think X-Wing just seems more successful at the moment because its a more recent release of something from the franchise.

I'm calling it now.

STAR WARS HEROCLIX from NECA once the new star wars movies start hititng the theaters

Star Wars doesn't really lend itself well to large ground battles like you would expect from playing a game like 40k or Flames of War. I would expect any ground combat game in that setting to look more like a cross between Infinity and Warmachine.

If it is, it should be dropzone commander like game TBH, with vast swathes of infantry and tanks

 MWHistorian wrote:
I'd rather see a characterful skirmish game like Malifaux full of scoundrels, rogues and interesting characters. I want my female Twi-lek bounty hunter!

Also/or
A Star Wars capital ship game encompasing ships from Clone Wars and Rebellion era.

But that's all wishlisting.

Actually its not.
We were rolling with this with a combination of the tabletop and the RPG with a very similar idea. Almost exact.

We were fighting on the ship, ALA Old Republic 1, and then we had a few guys that were talented in robotics enough that they were augmenting their Teams with high jacked Separatist bots.

There were a few bounty hunters in there, IG88, and Bossk, I think it was that made an appearance, and we had a pretty good run fighting alongside them, and taking over a small port city.

They had a really sweet RPG and the figures slipped in there perfecto.

 Ketara wrote:

 Sean_OBrien wrote:

I have heard that rumor before - but never from anyone directly connected with FFG. It doesn't quite pass the sniff test either, as Dust is a more direct competitor for 40K than Star Wars, and they didn't have any issues when they picked up Dust. FFG has a bit of a love-hate relationship with miniatures. They love the idea, but they hate the logistics of them compared to their normal product lines.

I'm not convinced of that. If any Sci-Fi franchise exists with a range of military themed units and structures ready to pick from, that's already directly within the public consciousness at a far greater level than Warhammer ever was, its Star Wars. Not Alien. Not Starship Troopers. Not even Lord of the Rings. Star Wars has endured four decades, and continues to pump out film after movie, and merchandise after product.

If a well sculpted 28mm Star Wars game with good rules hit the market, and was properly advertised/marketed, it would start to take a significant chunk of GW's market share within a few years. X-Wing alone has already proven to be a magnificent success. Expand that to something in 28mm, a yearly movie TIE-in(ba-dum tish), and a decent marketing budget to put in all the major toy shops, and 40K would find itself under siege.

It isn't that I don't think that a Star Wars game wouldn't have the potential to be more popular than 40K...rather a more direct competitor for 40K would not be Star Wars. The fiction is different, the type of setting is different and the general feel is different. Since 40K really is WWII/WWI in space - something like Dust has a lot to offer someone who is interested in 40K. Vehicles, uniforms and the general flavor are good fits.

In terms of absolute brand recognition the two (Star Wars and 40K) are like Rolex to Skagen or Windows to FreeBSD. Everyone knows what a Rolex is...very few people could tell you that Skagen make watches too. If a company with the means were to want to do a proper launch of a Star Wars miniature game - it wouldn't even acknowledge 40Ks existence. They would be able to get top billing at every game, comic and big box store in the US (and most the rest of the world too). It wouldn't offer much to people who think the LeMan Russ is a great looking tank - or that the Taurox isn't a bad joke.

That sort of launch is also a bit unlikely. Just not enough money in it. Most the companies who would be able to do it properly are just as likely to release the figures alone as toys (as they have in the past) and not mess around with any rules or other problematic parts of wargames (like the gamers themselves). Much less risk when you don't actually have to worry about whether or not the game is good when there is no game and people are buying it just because it is Star Wars. It also doesn't prevent people from buying up the "toys" and using them to play games with.

At Gencon, I predict FFG announces, STAR DESTROYER, the FFG fleet scale version of X-Wing using rules similar to Star Trek Attack Wing.

 Vertrucio wrote:
At Gencon, I predict FFG announces, STAR DESTROYER, the FFG fleet scale version of X-Wing using rules similar to Star Trek Attack Wing.

If they actually do that in a consistent scale (which hasn't been done with X-wing or Attack Wing) I'd be all over it.

I dunno, one of the things that stops me even considering Attack Wing (apart from the fact Star Trek isn't about fighting) is that I don't want capital scale vessels zooming about space like starfighters.

If they found a decent movement system and had ships to proper scales then it'd be the game I've waited for for decades.

I'm actually kind of surprised that no one brought up Attacktix.

Yeah, it was kind of dumb and not a true wargame, but it had Hasbro's backing and they made a TON of characters.

It just sucks how Hasbro dropped it with no explanation, I loved opening up the blindpacked boosters.

I remember years ago seeing a Star Wars table top battle of Hoth using the Kenner / Palitoy Star wars figures.

It was huge, using At-Ats and AT-Sts against loads of rebels.

Pretty sure it was at Salute.

Obvioulsy that was home grown and the table was massive due to the scale, but I reckon you could do a pretty good wargames system using Star wars Lego....

 Grot 6 wrote:


GW getting hold of Star Wars? No. They couldn't afford it with their current trend, and Between GW and George Lucas, it would turn into an E peen contest rater quickly.

GW would just wait a few years and claim they invented Star Wars.

I remember the D6 RPG from West End, was the first RPG book I ever owned, and I had no idea they made a minis game too. As big a fan of Star Wars as I am, I'm not sure I'd like to see any kind of new game with non pre-painted minis. Love the universe for those iconic looks, would hate to have to try to recreate them on my own.

 Sean_OBrien wrote:
The other one that I was trying to remember for the figures was the Kenner sets from the 1980s and the Micro Machines sets from the 1990s and into Episodes I through III. The Kenner figures are great - prepainted miniatures before that became a thing, but the size is right...about 25mm so you can mix them with WEG figures (bit larger than 25mm - but still not very chibi). The Micro Machines are 1/72 or 1/76 scale...bit smaller than 25mm - but it was very extensive and they were well detailed for the size (again, prepaints before prepaints). I have a couple of boxes full that have since been replaced with figures in my preferred scale - but they are still pretty easy to find (cranked out by the thousand through big box stores).

The Micro Machines ones I use with Tomorrow's War for my Star Wars battles fix.

Also, ifyou go beyond the movies and into the Clone Wars series you see there are a LOT of land battles, a huge variety of troop types, and plenty of support equipment and weapon types. After watching a few seasons I was wondering why no one was making a clone wars gamesince the scope was huge and potential factions abundant.

I ran across this at local big-box retailer and saw some potential....

http://news.toyark.com/2014/02/18/toy-fair-2014-star-wars-command-official-images-118841



Basically, Star Wars Green Army men.

Hard to tell from the pictures, but those don't actually look that bad. And the prices are good.


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So reasonably detailed. They would paint up ok.

Curious to see how they scale against the WotC minis.

They're fairly large. IIRC(it's been about a week since I've seen them), they're between 28mm and about half the size of a 3.5 inch Star Wars figure. They're much taller than the WotC minis, which makes sense as they're targeted at the 4 and up crowd.


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Just for you Insaniak:

Well, that's a shame

Might still wind up picking a few up to paint, if they're as good as they look in the pics.

StraightSilver wrote:
I remember years ago seeing a Star Wars table top battle of Hoth using the Kenner / Palitoy Star wars figures.

It was huge, using At-Ats and AT-Sts against loads of rebels.

Pretty sure it was at Salute.

Obvioulsy that was home grown and the table was massive due to the scale, but I reckon you could do a pretty good wargames system using Star wars Lego....

That may have been at Origins unless those guys also traveled to Salute. It was an amazing setup. Literally, there were miniatures everywhere! I'm not sure how well it played but I know it took them most of the day.

 derek wrote:

 Grot 6 wrote:


GW getting hold of Star Wars? No. They couldn't afford it with their current trend, and Between GW and George Lucas, it would turn into an E peen contest rater quickly.

GW would just wait a few years and claim they invented Star Wars.

I remember the D6 RPG from West End, was the first RPG book I ever owned, and I had no idea they made a minis game too. As big a fan of Star Wars as I am, I'm not sure I'd like to see any kind of new game with non pre-painted minis. Love the universe for those iconic looks, would hate to have to try to recreate them on my own.

Yeah, there WAS a miniatures battle game as well, using 25mm metal minis (not many and the casts were dubious at best - even for the time). There was even a way to put the rpg characters into the game (conversions).

I would love a Star Wars miniature game.

If FFG made a capital ship star wars game I'll go broke.

 Musashi363 wrote:
If FFG made a capital ship star wars game I'll go broke.

I'd steer clear of News and Rumors in that case...

Im using Gruntz and the Star Wars RISK models for mine , it works at a bigger battel level and then down more to skirmish.

(just promoting Gruntz is a good thing).

Cheers

You never know, now that the Mouse is in charge, you may get your wish.

I would buy in, only issue would be which cool army to collect, so many & that's just from the classic era, if you include the Clone Wars or New Republic era, their would be so many.