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 Sigvatr wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised is GW released a supplement that appealed to the Oldcron players.

Fall of Orpheus?

Still no pariahs and C'tan though.
I mean, GW can charge you another $10 for the privilege of using a unit that was in a prior edition

I have never bought into the rage quit hysteria when it comes to new codexes until now. I think GW is on a knifes edge with this potential release. Too much nerf and I feel like I will be honestly done. Given how LoW have busted the game I already don't like the state of things. Making me spend $50 for arbitrary point changes and the potential loss of things will not endear me to continue with the hobby.

Bring back Pariahs please. Don't really care how they mold back into the fluff. Bring back The Deceiver and Nightbringer. Put the C'tan back to where they were or at least let the OG 4 still be independent forces within a greater Necron power struggle. You can keep the dynasties and sentient lords. But return them to being cosmic horrors ruled by careless gods. Give me a flayed one / warrior dual kit or plastic flayed ones. Make them more betterer by maybe allowing lords to join them.

Enough of the wish listing as I could go on and on with it. Fact of the matter is I don't need another terrabad army (DA anyone). I would probably have to walk away if it came down to it.


.....doesn't help that Infinity is rapidly hitting me in all the happy zones with what they have been doing lately.

I'm not surprised. If you look at the army descriptions in the 7th fluff book necrons boast a 7th style art page. The releases have pretty much been in line with this. Which makes me sad for DE.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:


Also, there is a possibly underhanded reason for the quick releases of the GK and Necron codices: removing Matt Ward's name from the publications. After those two, how many others will still have him credited as the author?

Actually that's not far from the truth, they did the same in fantasy with Alessio, I think it has something to do with residual payments.

Also its worth noting that before 7th there was the rumour of crons vs blood angels as the starter set, so it can be a possibility that crons and blood angels are the next campaign.

 Mechanical Crow wrote:

 Tannhauser42 wrote:


Also, there is a possibly underhanded reason for the quick releases of the GK and Necron codices: removing Matt Ward's name from the publications. After those two, how many others will still have him credited as the author?

Actually that's not far from the truth, they did the same in fantasy with Alessio, I think it has something to do with residual payments.

Also its worth noting that before 7th there was the rumour of crons vs blood angels as the starter set, so it can be a possibility that crons and blood angels are the next campaign.

Yeah i never heard that. I thought it was supposed to be orks vs BA. That was the rumor forever.

I just can't help but feel an overwhelming sense of dread at this prospect

 Jaceevoke wrote:
I just can't help but feel an overwhelming sense of dread at this prospect

I'm going to take it as encouragement to get a bunch of games in with a codex I actually like.

I'll also cling to a shred of hope that they'll make Monoliths good again.

Model-wise...
Crypteks... seriously.

Rules-wise...
C'Tan need to be worth their points. And be flying monstrous creatures.
Tesla will instead match the rule that is in the Space Wolf codex... no extra hits on snapshots.
Necron shooting... just about everything needs another shot. Gauss flayers need to move to Assault 3 or something.
It would make sense that Necron vehicles could overwatch when assaulted (being sentient, etc).
Like I said earlier, our scarabs, spyders, and wraiths will be nerfed somehow... just because they are fearless.
MSS will get a nerf... even though it isn't overpowered. It literally gives us half a chance in cc vs a space marine special character.
We'll get a Warlord Table with the special abilities of our special characters on it.


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 Jaceevoke wrote:
I just can't help but feel an overwhelming sense of dread at this prospect

Me too.

 Anpu-adom wrote:
Model-wise...
Crypteks... seriously.

Rules-wise...
C'Tan need to be worth their points. And be flying monstrous creatures.
Tesla will instead match the rule that is in the Space Wolf codex... no extra hits on snapshots.
Necron shooting... just about everything needs another shot. Gauss flayers need to move to Assault 3 or something.
It would make sense that Necron vehicles could overwatch when assaulted (being sentient, etc).
Like I said earlier, our scarabs, spyders, and wraiths will be nerfed somehow... just because they are fearless.
MSS will get a nerf... even though it isn't overpowered. It literally gives us half a chance in cc vs a space marine special character.
We'll get a Warlord Table with the special abilities of our special characters on it.


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 Jaceevoke wrote:
I just can't help but feel an overwhelming sense of dread at this prospect

Me too.

Yeah, I have this creeping dread the new codex may get semi gutted.

With Tesla? No doubt the no snapshot thing now thinking about it. Now all the Necron Players will have to buy new Immortal boxes to make Gauss Immortals.

Don't forget the 30 point cost increases for AB and Scythes.

Nerfing Tesla Immortals will make Immortals change from being "meh" to "worthless".

Immortals were useful before because they had Assault weapons with a 24" range. Rapid Fire weapons were stay still and fire 1 shot at 24" or move but only fire at 12''. This was because Immortals were useful (besides the higher T).

But since Rapid Fire weapons can now move and fire at 24", Assault lost all its advantages for Immortals. In fact, Assault is now WORSE than Rapid Fire.

Immortals already aren't a very good unit and nerfing them will make them disappear from the battle field completely.

The only way to go from the top is down right?

Love necrons, can't wait for anything they release, will probably get the special edition book too haha

Really if you fear dread or find yourself going to a different hobby dont do the models and switch hobby, more necrons for me

I like the move necrons have taken, from soulless automatons that fade away to noble killers that keep coming back.


my 2pense

I am dreading the Necron release as the Grey Knight book is a sign of bad thins to come.

I predict:

1) Crypteks gone (they have a generic model without tons of options.)
2) Stuff people used gets nerfed
3) stuff people didn't use gets barely buffed.
4) All the funky wargear options will be removed. Ie mindshackle scarabs, etc
5) the AV13 till penetrated rule will be changed to until glanced.
6) Monoliths will be nerfed for a stupid reason.
7) C'tan shards will be removed from the codex and placed in a data slate... nerfed.
8) War sycthes will be nerfed to AP3.
9) Gauss will be removed.

I know this looks incredibly cynical, but it is inline with changes to the GK codex.

Wow....one of the most over powered books gets a "nerf", so that it is in line with other armies, and people freak...

By the way, Grey Knights are STILL powerful...just not so stupid as they once were. Psychic Space Marines with assault bolters and Force Weapons on EVERY model is POWERFUL. Don't believe me? Do the mathammer, and see for yourselves.

"No more Psybolt ammo? I QUIT!!!" Good. Go. Go FAR away. Rapid fire Missile Launchers on Dreadnoughts was too much.

As it is, each Grey Knight squad can get at LEAST 20 S4 AP5 Assault shots, followed up by 22 S7 AP3 Force attacks at I4 on the charge. If you can't do it with that, then you are doing it wrong.

Necrons are going to get nerfed, and I cannot wait. Watching every vehicle vanish off the table by Turn 2 due to TROOP fire is too much. The Necron Air Force is too much. Mindnumbing Scarabs are too much. S7 weapons that ignore ALL armor saves is too much.

If you can't play fair, then go play another game.

Wouldn't it be awesome if Crypteks got a kit like this one.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Wouldn't it be awesome if Crypteks got a kit like this one.

It's a shame they didn't really follow through with kits like that one, the Terminator Lord, and the Space Marine Captain. The single sprue plastics are neat and everything, but I really liked the options available. I wouldn't be surprised if there was just a plastic Cryptek in a clampack.

Yes, Necrons are coming, so please don't buy the current codex. A month until the new one comes out.

 CaptainLoken wrote:
Necrons are going to get nerfed, and I cannot wait. Watching every vehicle vanish off the table by Turn 2 due to TROOP fire is too much. The Necron Air Force is too much. Mindnumbing Scarabs are too much. S7 weapons that ignore ALL armor saves is too much.

You are contradicting yourself.
1) You can only have all Vehicles removed at turn 2 if your opponent is spamming blobs of Warriors, which means he isn't going to play Wraiths (only place where MSS is worth it) or Flyers.
2) Night Scythes probably get the Valkyrie treatment (going from 100 to 125).
3) They are called Mindshackle Scarabs and are only worth it on Destroyer Lords.
4) S7, AP1 attacks on one model is too much? Didn't you just talk about Grey Knights where every model comes with a Nemesis Force Sword and Hammerhand?

Sorry to ruin your party, but an army with a 55% winchance on tournaments will not see any significant amount of nerfs.

chnmmr wrote:
I am dreading the Necron release as the Grey Knight book is a sign of bad thins to come.

I predict:

1) Crypteks gone (they have a generic model without tons of options.)
2) Stuff people used gets nerfed
3) stuff people didn't use gets barely buffed.
4) All the funky wargear options will be removed. Ie mindshackle scarabs, etc
5) the AV13 till penetrated rule will be changed to until glanced.
6) Monoliths will be nerfed for a stupid reason.
7) C'tan shards will be removed from the codex and placed in a data slate... nerfed.
8) War sycthes will be nerfed to AP3.
9) Gauss will be removed.

I know this looks incredibly cynical, but it is inline with changes to the GK codex.

Ooh please, what a nonsense. The GK-Codex got non-GK units removed from the book and one unit that didn't have a model.
So unless you think they will make a Canoptek-dataslate no such thing is going to happen.
And we do have a model for nearly everything, exception being the Harbingers. But we do have a Generic Cryptek-model.

1) Not going to happen, there is a higher chance we get a new Harbinger-type as some form of Psychic-protection.
2) I can guarantee you that units like Barges and Night Scythes get a cost-increase.
3) Like what?
4) No, no, no, I'm not even going to bother with this.

The new Grey Knight-codex is amazing unless you played a lot of Inquisition/Assassins.
I understand that some people dislike the change, but please keep the ranting to the GK-thread and don't ruin the Necron-thread with dumb predictions.

Kangodo wrote:

 CaptainLoken wrote:
Necrons are going to get nerfed, and I cannot wait. Watching every vehicle vanish off the table by Turn 2 due to TROOP fire is too much. The Necron Air Force is too much. Mindnumbing Scarabs are too much. S7 weapons that ignore ALL armor saves is too much.

You are contradicting yourself.
1) You can only have all Vehicles removed at turn 2 if your opponent is spamming blobs of Warriors, which means he isn't going to play Wraiths (only place where MSS is worth it) or Flyers.
2) Night Scythes probably get the Valkyrie treatment (going from 100 to 125).
3) They are called Mindshackle Scarabs and are only worth it on Destroyer Lords.
4) S7, AP1 attacks on one model is too much? Didn't you just talk about Grey Knights where every model comes with a Nemesis Force Sword and Hammerhand?

Sorry to ruin your party, but an army with a 55% winchance on tournaments will not see any significant amount of nerfs.

chnmmr wrote:
I am dreading the Necron release as the Grey Knight book is a sign of bad thins to come.

I predict:

1) Crypteks gone (they have a generic model without tons of options.)
2) Stuff people used gets nerfed
3) stuff people didn't use gets barely buffed.
4) All the funky wargear options will be removed. Ie mindshackle scarabs, etc
5) the AV13 till penetrated rule will be changed to until glanced.
6) Monoliths will be nerfed for a stupid reason.
7) C'tan shards will be removed from the codex and placed in a data slate... nerfed.
8) War sycthes will be nerfed to AP3.
9) Gauss will be removed.

I know this looks incredibly cynical, but it is inline with changes to the GK codex.

Ooh please, what a nonsense. The GK-Codex got non-GK units removed from the book and one unit that didn't have a model.
So unless you think they will make a Canoptek-dataslate no such thing is going to happen.
And we do have a model for nearly everything, exception being the Harbingers. But we do have a Generic Cryptek-model.

1) Not going to happen, there is a higher chance we get a new Harbinger-type as some form of Psychic-protection.
2) I can guarantee you that units like Barges and Night Scythes get a cost-increase.
3) Like what?
4) No, no, no, I'm not even going to bother with this.

The new Grey Knight-codex is amazing unless you played a lot of Inquisition/Assassins.
I understand that some people like the change, but please keep the ranting to the GK-thread and don't ruin the Necron-thread with dumb predictions.

I'm not ranting. I genuinely believe this is the tone of changes to expect. Streamline and making the codex less complicated to use, which will probably result in a lot of options being removed unfortunately, especially if they break the flow of a turn when used. I'm sorry you don't like it, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if the Necrons lost a lot of their toys like the arrow, maze and such. Not because they are overpowered, but because they break the flow of the turn.

We will see, I hope it will be a simple fixing to make their rules fit with 7th ed as I have a sizable necron force myself. But focusing -purely- on the GK component of the GK codex, you can get a feel in my opinion of the type of changes that GW will be doing to the remaining codexes.

-Streamline
-Simplicity probably as the loss of some army flavour.
-More focus on the army having specific advantages and disadvantages.

We'll see what actual leaks come out (if it is indeed necrons next,) rather than getting irritated when someone makes a prediction that is as valid as any other.

 CaptainLoken wrote:
Wow....one of the most over powered books gets a "nerf", so that it is in line with other armies, and people freak...

By the way, Grey Knights are STILL powerful...just not so stupid as they once were. Psychic Space Marines with assault bolters and Force Weapons on EVERY model is POWERFUL. Don't believe me? Do the mathammer, and see for yourselves.

"No more Psybolt ammo? I QUIT!!!" Good. Go. Go FAR away. Rapid fire Missile Launchers on Dreadnoughts was too much.

As it is, each Grey Knight squad can get at LEAST 20 S4 AP5 Assault shots, followed up by 22 S7 AP3 Force attacks at I4 on the charge. If you can't do it with that, then you are doing it wrong.

Necrons are going to get nerfed, and I cannot wait. Watching every vehicle vanish off the table by Turn 2 due to TROOP fire is too much. The Necron Air Force is too much. Mindnumbing Scarabs are too much. S7 weapons that ignore ALL armor saves is too much.

If you can't play fair, then go play another game.

Your rant is less of an indictment of an overpowered army and more about you being a terrible player. We should nerf a fairly even army because you can't beat them. What else can't you beat? I'll get Matt Ward right on it.

Other than the flyer spam which might or might not get a point increase, Necrons is a pretty fair and balanced codex. But having seen what they did to Orks I am worried. I don't know how much of a point increase they'd put on the flyers, though. They were written with 6th ed and the flyer rules in mind. The point increase would be minimal if any to the Doomscythe, and probably like 20 to the Night Scythe. And since unbound is now the thing, every army can have flyer spam.

 Davespil wrote:
I'll get Matt Ward right on it.

You might want to watch your Rule 1 there buddy. Also, you might want to read up on recent events. Ward is out.

necrons are far from being over powered, they are good for sure, I hope they dont change much and add some more models and not take away the characters.

All we can do is wait and see and try to ignore the salty people lol

Larry Vela wrote:Breaking news!

GW, having released 7 codexes in the first eight months of 2014, will release a new codex some time in the remaining four months. Probably. It will have the same format as the other 7th codexes, most likely, and may or may not be accompanied by new models.

Stay tuned for more!

chnmmr wrote:
I'm not ranting. I genuinely believe this is the tone of changes to expect. Streamline and making the codex less complicated to use, which will probably result in a lot of options being removed unfortunately, especially if they break the flow of a turn when used. I'm sorry you don't like it, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if the Necrons lost a lot of their toys like the arrow, maze and such. Not because they are overpowered, but because they break the flow of the turn.

And what gave you that idea? GK's have a lot of options.
Hell, the Librarian is just insane with thousands of combinations.
5 weapons, 2 different ML's, 5 options of ranged weapons, 6 options of Relics and 4 different Special Issue Wargear.
If anything, the Codex: Necrons have too few options compared to what the last three armies gained.

Things we will probably see:
-Lord-wargear list that every lord has access to.
-List of Relics for Overlords (and perhaps C'tans).
-Point increase to Barge and Night Scythe
-Rewording of MSS (because they've reworded it in every FAQ)

We will see, I hope it will be a simple fixing to make their rules fit with 7th ed as I have a sizable necron force myself. But focusing -purely- on the GK component of the GK codex, you can get a feel in my opinion of the type of changes that GW will be doing to the remaining codexes.

As I said: Remove Canopteks and have their own dataslate so each army can use them?
Highly unlikely.

We'll see what actual leaks come out (if it is indeed necrons next,) rather than getting irritated when someone makes a prediction that is as valid as any other.

No, that is false.
Some predictions are more valid that others:
Saying they'll get a list of Relics is really valid.
Saying they'll move C'tan shards to a dataslate because of Assassins! is not really valid, that would be as valid as saying that all Gauss weapons become S10.

 CaptainLoken wrote:
Wow....one of the most over powered books gets a "nerf", so that it is in line with other armies, and people freak...

By the way, Grey Knights are STILL powerful...just not so stupid as they once were. Psychic Space Marines with assault bolters and Force Weapons on EVERY model is POWERFUL. Don't believe me? Do the mathammer, and see for yourselves.

"No more Psybolt ammo? I QUIT!!!" Good. Go. Go FAR away. Rapid fire Missile Launchers on Dreadnoughts was too much.

As it is, each Grey Knight squad can get at LEAST 20 S4 AP5 Assault shots, followed up by 22 S7 AP3 Force attacks at I4 on the charge. If you can't do it with that, then you are doing it wrong.

Necrons are going to get nerfed, and I cannot wait. Watching every vehicle vanish off the table by Turn 2 due to TROOP fire is too much. The Necron Air Force is too much. Mindnumbing Scarabs are too much. S7 weapons that ignore ALL armor saves is too much.

If you can't play fair, then go play another game.

Grey Knights haven't been even remotely OP since 5th edition. There was really nothing unfair about them. Sounds like you have a serious (and outdated) chip on your shoulder.

 Thud wrote:

Larry Vela wrote:Breaking news!

GW, having released 7 codexes in the first eight months of 2014, will release a new codex some time in the remaining four months. Probably. It will have the same format as the other 7th codexes, most likely, and may or may not be accompanied by new models.

Stay tuned for more!

This is the most accurate thing attributed to Vela in months!

 Azreal13 wrote:
This is the most accurate thing attributed to Vela in months!

It's better than faeit212.
Because he makes a mistake and tells us the Codex was removed from the website.
That sparks a big discussion about what we could be seeing.
And then he reports those discussions as 'rumours'.

So... no real rumors here?

I am not looking forward to a new Necron book....

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2014/08/after-nagash-come-real-evil.html

also states Dark Eldar next, not necrons.

and lists BA after DE and then necrons...which if true means necrons will be early 2015.

 Sasori wrote:
So... no real rumors here?

I am not looking forward to a new Necron book....

Better than having to wait 10 years for one, I guess.