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My bad I didn't notice it was direct only. Makes me feel smart then for buying the first set of rules at 20% off then.

 insaniak wrote:

 Quarterdime wrote:
I'm referring to models released independently of the codex..

So was he. They did it last edition. They also did it in 5th edition with the first few flyer kits. And IIRC it wasn't at all uncommon through 2nd edition, as they were still trying to get basic models out for a lot of armies right up until the start of 3rd ed.

Exactly! This is nothing new.

The campaigns are relatively recent(or a blast from the past from before my time). They could start introducing new units that way after updating the codices.

The problem GW has is that we only need to buy so many miniatures. I have 8k points of necrons and honestly, I don't want to buy anymore. I will never finish painting all the models I own now. The only way they continue to get money out of me is to produce new rules and codexes that I HAVE to buy to play with other people who have those same rules and codexes. Sure I could buck the system and be like "I refuse to buy a new ruleset" and never play again because I still have the 3rd edition rules while everyone else has 7th edition.

The gravy, as someone put it earlier, is the cash flow that the company has keeping it going.

Ya know the only thing from all that i see are the dice and GWs strange obsession with putting the cool icons on 1s where it would be bad to roll.

wouldn't it make more sense to be on the 6?

Warmonger2757 wrote:
The problem GW has is that we only need to buy so many miniatures. I have 8k points of necrons and honestly, I don't want to buy anymore. I will never finish painting all the models I own now. The only way they continue to get money out of me is to produce new rules and codexes that I HAVE to buy to play with other people who have those same rules and codexes. Sure I could buck the system and be like "I refuse to buy a new ruleset" and never play again because I still have the 3rd edition rules while everyone else has 7th edition.

The gravy, as someone put it earlier, is the cash flow that the company has keeping it going.

Or GW could make some new games and sell 3rd party things in their shops like they used to.

Or they could focus on expanding their customer base so there are always new people buy in. However that would require them to do things like advertising, market research, maintaining a social media presence, the occasional sale etc.

So, all the things they've decided not to do. If they hadn't decided that their business model was to continue squeezing a decreasing customer base they wouldn't have to keep gouging on things that weren't model based.

Most.

Useless.

Item.

Ever.

Who in their right mind would buy it?

It's hardcover, so its not like you're getting rid of that. It's only 15 pounds cheaper, and for that money you're missing out on 2 great books (art and mini gallery) easily worth more than that.

The only new attribute to it is smaller size. I prefer larger letters anyway.

What I find funny though is how GW messed up again when it comes to cover design.

A low poly image of Urien Rakarth on the previous one; a bleeding Chaos symbol on this one's back - that might make chaos players happy, but the rest will be like "ehh, I dont feel like a traitor". And the front is just a plain old red skull. Why couldnt they create something awesome?

Uselss ? No.

Overpriced ? Definitely.

The smaller format is better to travel with.

All my mini rulebooks ended up in the my gaming mates hands, and I'm back to carrying the Big Hardcover with me. I miss my mini rule book.

nvm

£35 that`s ridiculous for a mini book

you guys talking about this book http://www.games-workshop.com/en-CA/Warhammer-40-000-The-Rules?

OgreChubbs wrote:
you guys talking about this book http://www.games-workshop.com/en-CA/Warhammer-40-000-The-Rules?

That's the one.
And just in case any Americans click that link- it's to the Canadian webstore.

So, the full ruleset is £50.
That's 3 full size hardback books.

Now they give us 1 of those books, in a smaller format and charge over 2/3rds of the price of the full set of 3?
Sheesh.

I know we all asked for the rules alone but this is even worse price gauging than the full set.

/fail

PS: And I was hoping to buy one out of my own cash for the school club I run.
#Not-gonna-happen-now

More price comparisons;

Two and a half years ago the complete 5th edition rulebook was £30.

One and a half years ago, the mini-version of the 6th edition book was £25. That was exactly the same concept as this new 7th edition mini-book, rules only in a smaller page format.

As long as people keep buying their insanely overpriced books I doubt they'll change any company philosophy..

So where does this put us in terms of the edition's life cycle?

How many months before the end of 6th edition did this type of product come out?

 frozenwastes wrote:
So where does this put us in terms of the edition's life cycle?

How many months before the end of 6th edition did this type of product come out?

I don't remember exactly but it was within a year, at least. 6th came out 2012, the mini rulebook I'm sure came out sometime in 2013, probably 3rd/4th quarter, then 7th dropped this year.

So we could literally see 8th edition next year at this rate. Oh god, I don't even want to joke about it but I wonder, could GW really be that stupid? Can I bet on it, am I allowed to do that?

 pretre wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

 Quarterdime wrote:
I'm referring to models released independently of the codex..

So was he. They did it last edition. They also did it in 5th edition with the first few flyer kits. And IIRC it wasn't at all uncommon through 2nd edition, as they were still trying to get basic models out for a lot of armies right up until the start of 3rd ed.

Exactly! This is nothing new.

I feel like the valkyrie was out for less than a year before 5th edition IG was released. This release on the other hand is out less than a year after the Tyranid codex has been released. Anyways, it's not unprecedented, that was a poor choice of words on my part, even as a question. Most of this is just coming from seeing a break up in what Games Workshop has turned into an almost a perfectly predictable release scheme. Even if they're still new units, maybe this is a sign that they'll be updating old units at a rate faster than one per release. (2-3 if they're characters... or orks, apparently.)

Actually I think the valkyrie was released with the codex. It's hard to remember, that was all the way back when GW had pre-orders up longer than a week out. I do remember the valkyrie actually saw a price increase before it even hit the shelves, though...went up for pre-order at $48 if I remember right and went up to like $50-something while it was still a week or two from release.

The last hardcover mini-rulebook was a limited print run and not available for long. It wasnt mentioned in the item description specificially. But it was unavailable several months on the UK/Europe webshop. There were one or two reprints/restocks but they didnt last long. Considering this should function as a BASIC rule set it was a mess

 Kilkrazy wrote:
More price comparisons;

Two and a half years ago the complete 5th edition rulebook was £30.

One and a half years ago, the mini-version of the 6th edition book was £25. That was exactly the same concept as this new 7th edition mini-book, rules only in a smaller page format.

Another price comparison. Battlefront recently dropped the price of their compilations from $50 to $30. There's no good reason for GW's book prices.

Outrageous price for something that goes obsolete in a year or two. Not to mention that the big majority of the rules in there were simply copy pasted from the previous edition with a few tweaks here and there.
Definately NOT worth the price, I would go as far and say to download your rules for free instead of encouraging theese crooks. We are in the age of digital media, rules should be :
-1 Free
-2 Updated on a regular basis for game balance.
-3 Financialwise, A means to sell more models , not a way to fund your company's expenses.

Digital media costs virtually nothing to make and the rules for 40k has been invented and tweaked for over 3 decades. There is no reason to ask so much monney out of them anymore.
I could take a week end of my time and revise the rules myself, make a few tweaks here and there, and then ask you guys to download digitally the "updated" version. This is hardly something worth selling for more than 10$. I would even go and update the rules for free when necessary. all that is required is a very small effort on my part and I am just 1 little person in the world. A big company like Games workshop should work on selling models and embelish their image instead of grabbing every penny like a bunch of crooks.

GIVE YOUR RULES FOR FREE AND PEOPLE WILL START GETTING MORE AND MORE INTO YOUR HOBBY BECAUSE YOU MAKE AWESOME MODELS... Its THAT simple. Or you could profit as much as possible from milking every little penny that you can and not care about your reputation.

 Accolade wrote:

 insaniak wrote:
To be fair, $58 is the price of a codex. So against that metric, the price is reasonable.

Of course, that's ignoring the fact the the codexes are also ridiculously over-priced... so it's only reasonable as a basis of comparison, rather than as an actual price.

Yeah, I'm still stuck in the $35 mindset for codexes. I remember when they arbitrarily jumped up to $50, I was pretty baffled.

 lobbywatson wrote:
Realistically its $48 American before applicable sales tax. Most every store I've ever seen or been to does 20% off. That's a decent price.

I've honestly never been to a FLGS that offered 20% off the list price. The best I've seen is a $10 free for every $100 spent, but that's a bit different (one store back in NC offered 10% off with a $10 free-thing).

The one I shop at does 20% off for pre-orders on items. As for the 40k rulebook? I'll pass thank you. Stopped playing in 2012 due to the price increases and the rules only for $58 only reinforces my decision to get out of anything from GW.

With the e-bay price of the softback small rules hovering around $40, this costs 50% more. Then again, there is a possibility of a discount, and no shipping, so it only gets better. I’ve been waiting for either the price to drop on e-bay, or this to come out, as I like the durability of the hard cover. I’ll probably just suck it up and grab a copy, as not having a copy of the 7th edition rules bugs me. I might wait a little bit to see if the next rumored campaign set has stuff I care about in it. Stormreach was a little too wolfy for my tastes.

I never thought the three book bundle would ever look like a good deal but next to this dumb ass price it does.

A step in the right direction...but it's £35. Ouch.

Though I would like to have it, I just don't think I can justify paying that.

It's almost like they're doing this for a joke now. "Hey, what do you think...if we released a limited edition list-writing pencil and charged £10 for it, do you think they'd buy it?"

 Fezman wrote:
It's almost like they're doing this for a joke now. "Hey, what do you think...if we released a limited edition list-writing pencil and charged £10 for it, do you think they'd buy it?"

There is always the Citadel Brush Set™ for £40.50

That's just criminal. For basically the same money you can get 5 Windsor & Newton 7 series size 1 brushes.

 Sinful Hero wrote:
The campaigns are relatively recent(or a blast from the last from before my time). They could start introducing new units that way after updating the codices.

Blast from the past. There were a number of campaign sets released in 2nd ed and 4th/5th ed Fantasy. They not only included scenarios and new characters, but also card stock terrain.