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I hate to say it, but I think that BA will only truly get a full codex update when the next SM codex is released and they are rolled up into it.

I really fear that this is going to happen, its not going to make a lot of people happy.

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 Jayden63 wrote:
I hate to say it, but I think that BA will only truly get a full codex update when the next SM codex is released and they are rolled up into it.

I really fear that this is going to happen, its not going to make a lot of people happy.


That'd be terrible. I'd probably just get rid of all my blood Angels ang focus on grey Knights at that point.

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I'm a tyranid player but my brother in law who got me into this game a couple years back is a blood angels player.

I'd love to seem him get a new codex with some serious power boosts and new toys to put on the table.
   
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Honestly, just do something else with your time.

When folks start getting annoyed with something that should be an enjoyable past-time, they've invested far too much time into it.

No matter how much you think you're enjoying it, you need to take a step back from it from time to time in order to not care about how bad everyone else thinks your army is.

I, personally, study programming, play harmonica, study for my upcoming driving test and read in my spare time. Painting models and browsing Warhammer sites is just a part of it, and certainly not all of it.

   
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 Jayden63 wrote:
I hate to say it, but I think that BA will only truly get a full codex update when the next SM codex is released and they are rolled up into it.

I really fear that this is going to happen, its not going to make a lot of people happy.


I wouldn't mind it. There are too many codices focusing on Marines of different colors.

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 Phiasco II wrote:
 Jayden63 wrote:
I hate to say it, but I think that BA will only truly get a full codex update when the next SM codex is released and they are rolled up into it.

I really fear that this is going to happen, its not going to make a lot of people happy.


That'd be terrible. I'd probably just get rid of all my blood Angels ang focus on grey Knights at that point.

While I don't think this will actually happen, this isn't actually that big a deal for Blood Angels. Along with Dark Angels, they're basically C:SM with a couple unique units and some FOC swaps (and their previous Codex added even more units to try to differentiate them, but they ended up making C:SM irrelevant at the time in the process). Furthermore, in 3rd ed, all the Space Marine chapters were relegated to very small supplement books.

Anyway, I'm not saying I want or expect this sort of thing to happen, but it's far from the unmitigated disaster that some people would consider it to be.

   
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~sigh~
So now it looks like Blood Angels won't be here till January at best. Why must you torment us so GW?

Reminder: this thread is for venting frustration about Blood Angels not being out yet, not one to debate the validity of said frustration. Thank you.

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Jan? Where Jan come from? I heard there's another wave of End Times, but I heard we're due in Dec.

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Ork player here knowing your pain.
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Hope you update just as good as we have.
And don't have to put your red guyz on the shelf.

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 Peregrine wrote:
I am also annoyed that BA aren't here. It would be very easy to fix the problem by publishing a dataslate giving BA a "chapter tactics" rule and a character or two to be used with C:SM, and there's no excuse for not doing this.


Then we'd have the same anti-GW sentiments but expressed differently

"I can't believe we got rolled into SM codex, feth GW man, I'm outta this hobby"

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MarsNZ wrote:
 Peregrine wrote:
I am also annoyed that BA aren't here. It would be very easy to fix the problem by publishing a dataslate giving BA a "chapter tactics" rule and a character or two to be used with C:SM, and there's no excuse for not doing this.


Then we'd have the same anti-GW sentiments but expressed differently

"I can't believe we got rolled into SM codex, feth GW man, I'm outta this hobby"

I love when people suggest we should have to pay 60$ for a codex and then 40/50$ for a supplement and think its "fair" and that everything will still be the same.

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Not that it matters because given the amount of interbreeding that went on with that lot I'm pretty sure the Queen is her own Uncle.

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 Phiasco II wrote:
All the other codices get updated first, I can deal with that. Several codices get two updates before Blood Angels get one, I can deal with that. Rumors of Blood Angel releases keep getting it wrong, I can deal with that. Other codices that have already received updates getting even more models and special rules is what breaks the camels back. Seriously, let's get everyone up to date before handing out extra goodies to those that have already got an update.

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Well, I have a full Assault Marines BA company all with jump packs,
but no hope that the army gets playable in a new incarnation.

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 evildrcheese wrote:
Jan? Where Jan come from? I heard there's another wave of End Times, but I heard we're due in Dec.

D


I'm assuming that GW reserves December for Hobit, which I think they've done the last few years.

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With Chaos, Tzeench would probably turn your hands, feet and face into
scrotums, complete with appropriate nerve endings. Then Khorne would
force you and all your friends to fight to the death using your new
scrotal appendages. Once they get tired of that, you get tossed to
Slaanesh who <censored by order of the Inquisition>, until you finally
end up in Nurgle's clutches and he uses you as a loofah.  
   
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The same thing played out last year. With different voices claiming Nids for December/January.

It's possible with the weekly release schedule and recent events that it might change but it's looking like January to me at this point.

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I thought this whine thread had died. -.-' What's the point of a whine thread again?

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Given the track record of most releases, I'm curious as to the pained anticipation of the next BA codex. While I understand many aren't thrilled with the BA codex as it is, if you look at most of the newer books, many have lost things, many internal balance issues remain unresolved, and not all of them are getting new things. DE got no new units, IG got huge numbers of units removed and lots of price increases on critical units, SW's have decent internal balance but lost what caused many to bandwagon to them in the first place (underpriced and overcapable troops and heavy support units), GK's lost tons of stuff, and if we look at the other marines books, only C:SM seems to be doing well while CSM's and DA's appear to be floundering.

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 Vaktathi wrote:
Given the track record of most releases, I'm curious as to the pained anticipation of the next BA codex. While I understand many aren't thrilled with the BA codex as it is, if you look at most of the newer books, many have lost things, many internal balance issues remain unresolved, and not all of them are getting new things. DE got no new units, IG got huge numbers of units removed and lots of price increases on critical units, SW's have decent internal balance but lost what caused many to bandwagon to them in the first place (underpriced and overcapable troops and heavy support units), GK's lost tons of stuff, and if we look at the other marines books, only C:SM seems to be doing well while CSM's and DA's appear to be floundering.


Because for some inexplicable reason, Blood Angel players think that GW is going to buck that trend and give them a competitive codex with great internal balance, a ton of fun and varying play styles to choose from, and a host of new plastic kits to go in hand with it (despite the fact that, barring a couple of character models, the entire BA range is already entirely plastic and doesn't really need anything, unless GW pulls something new out of their asses and craps out blood chariots pulled by bloodbats which I really don't think anyone wants). I don't know how or why anyone thinks that as there's absolutely no evidence to support that theory, and as far as I can tell it's just people clinging to the vain hope that because Marines have typically been regarded as GW's precious babbu that they'll get everything they ever wanted and then some, despite every other Marine book already being updated and not being so lucky (and in the case of Black Templars even being rolled into the vanilla SM book, which until recently was just unthinkable).

Anyway, I still can't get over that this whole thread is about the hilarious whining of spoiled Marine players, because GW had the gall to make them wait four whole years for an update. Seriously? In the grand scheme of codex updates, four years isn't really that bad, and is actually on the lower end of things. To put things in perspective, Tau and Eldar both had to wait about 7 years for updates and were in pretty dire need by the time they finally dropped. Necrons had to wait 9 long years before getting their 5th edition codex and are still waiting for a hardcover update, almost as long as Blood Angels have been. Dark Eldar already waited four years for their newest update (but that shouldn't have happened either because BA were very slightly older and thus "deserved" it more, right?), but had to wait 12 years before the previous 5th edition book dropped; an update damn near a decade in the making. Speaking of which, Sisters have been waiting 13 years, but on top of the pain of being all but forgotten by GW they have to put up with the community turning them into a running joke. From what I can tell, 6-7 years seems to be about the average wait time for an update, with certain armies getting special treatment, like Marines and oddly enough, Tyranids.

As for the Tyranid update, I'm not sure if that's even worth being upset over as it's an anomaly, and kind of unprecedented as armies don't usually get new models and even important rules updates without a codex to go with them. And not only that but because all signs seem to be pointing to this leading to a Blood Angel update before it's all over, but no, let's cry and whine because the Tyranids still got their models first and god forbid you have to wait another month or two. Good god, the Tyranid codex did get updated this year, I'll give you that, but does it not matter at all that said update was so awful and left the army in such a bad state that lots of people were taking their codexes back to the store and asking for refunds? I've literally never heard of that kind of thing happening before the 6th edition Tyranid codex. Are you really going to deny that GW needed to do something to fix their clearly botched update job? The plastic kits they're getting are desperately needed, too, as they're replacing awful Finecast models (nice sculpts though, but sadly that means nothing when they're being cast in what might as well be garbage) or introducing a model for a unit that really should have been in the book in the first place and was removed for no good reason.

Honestly I hope this kind of thing happens a lot more often, because I'm sure you BA players know as well as anyone that having to wait half a decade for new stuff kinda sucks.

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Dammit, I've got Blood Angel money that's been collecting dust for the past two months! Pleeeeease come out/be announced this week!

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 troa wrote:
I thought this whine thread had died. -.-' What's the point of a whine thread again?


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 Guardsmen Bob wrote:
Dammit, I've got Blood Angel money that's been collecting dust for the past two months! Pleeeeease come out/be announced this week!


Same here. If there was ever a time to have Fry shouting "shut up and take my money," that's pretty much what I've been doing waiting on this codex. I've even deliberately stopped making any purchasing plans just because I want to see the codex before buying anything else.
They're literally turning down money from me at the moment.

Also I get a rage-twitch everytime I see the ignorant statement about BA being red marines with "1 or 2 unique things." We had a whooooole mess of discussion on that before where we found out that BA had only a bit or two shy of being just as far removed from codex as SW are. But whatever, ignorance is always gonna be invited to every party I guess.

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niv-mizzet wrote:
We had a whooooole mess of discussion on that before where we found out that BA had only a bit or two shy of being just as far removed from codex as SW are.

While I agree with this statement, I fail to see how it is supposed to illustrate that Red Marines are very different from Rainbow Marines. It just show all those Marines of Color are just very close to Rainbow Marines.

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niv-mizzet wrote:


Also I get a rage-twitch everytime I see the ignorant statement about BA being red marines with "1 or 2 unique things." We had a whooooole mess of discussion on that before where we found out that BA had only a bit or two shy of being just as far removed from codex as SW are. But whatever, ignorance is always gonna be invited to every party I guess.


No, you just kept repeating that everything was so unique despite a lot of arguments to the contrary.

Maybe you should refrain from calling other people ignorant and read your own posts over again.

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Sadly, I think GW shot themselves in the foot when it came to Space Marine chapters. The issue is, it becomes far too much to keep up with, and there's just not enough that's unique about each chapter to remain independent, other than fluff alone. It feels like they only expanded chapters to give an artificial sense of variety, when in fact, it's a placebo effect.

Each player who runs a Space Wolf, Blood Angels, or Dark Angel army is just an over glorified vanilla Marine. You have a unique paint scheme, slightly different rules, and slightly different wargear and the company has to make far stretches to really keep up the facade that these armies are truly different and NEED their own book.

In all honesty, the only two Marine chapters that feel totally different and 'NEED' their own book are the Wolves and Knights mostly because their play style CAN'T be replicated by the other Marines. Knights and their overbearing Psychic presence is highly flavorful and unique amongst their peers, while Wolves might play fast and furious (similar to BA), they are pretty much the only chapter to employ animal companions and is pretty awesome honestly (From a model standpoint)

I really think the other chapters would only benefit on a tabletop level from being rolled up into the main book. Yes, there would be a loss of fluff, and I'll agree that blows hard. But you either suffer from one of two things: 1.) Unique fluff that's expanded on further, but you remain sub par so you can remain a special snowflake or 2.) Get rolled up in the big book and have a better chance at accessing better gear overall, and sharing some other units you didn't have access too and keep getting updated more regularly because your army is part of the big Marine book, but become less a special snowflake by losing a little fluff.

It would be like GW trying to sell us Ork players Speed Freaks, Bad Moons, Snake Bites, etc as a stand alone army. Those individual kults are going to be sore pressed to get updated in a timely manner and you'd be hard pressed to find or make unique enough units to truly differentiate them all. Hell, the main codex itself took its sweet time getting here. That's why, if anything, kults are only going to ever see fruition in the form of supplements. Give us unique, flavorful formations/detachments/special rules that fit the theme of those kults. Honestly, exactly what many of the chapters should have been done as in the first place if they wanted to remain 'fluffy and unique'. Keep the fluff, get unique formations or detachments to fit your flavor, while not overall losing efficiency of the parent codex.

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 troa wrote:
I thought this whine thread had died. -.-' What's the point of a whine thread again?


Is there anything else in Dakka "General" these days?

But yeah, whenever the BA stuff drops, my bank account will be drained.

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Well, if everyone(obviously not) is sayin' things like they don't really have enough uniqueness for their own codex, then here's my proposal.

Have 2 Codex.

Codex: Space Marines (as is)
Codex: Space Marines +1 (Blood Angels, Space Wolves, Grey Knights, Dark Angels and throw in Black Templars for the hell of it)

Solved. Now, for world hunger!

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Melevolence wrote:
Knights and their overbearing Psychic presence is highly flavorful and unique amongst their peers, while Wolves might play fast and furious (similar to BA), they are pretty much the only chapter to employ animal companions and is pretty awesome honestly (From a model standpoint)

You could give that option to the rainbow marines. I mean, think Salamanders bringing out Salamanders, or Claws of the Underground bringing in giant moles!

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 troa wrote:
I thought this whine thread had died. -.-' What's the point of a whine thread again?


The point of this thread was to be a place to vent frustration instead of keeping it bottled up inside until festers and then boils over at inappropriate times . To that point, venting frustrations that Blood Angels are still forthcoming does not in any way demean the struggles other players have experience waiting for their own faction to get updates. Furthermore, venting frustration doesn't mean you feel like you deserve to be next, just that you are really looking forward to the next update and want it to be as soon as possible. Having a place to vent helps pass the time and seeing others post with similar frustrations could even build comradery. For example:

At this point I really hope Blood Angels comes out even in January. Is it kinda sad that if Sisters end up getting some love that it feels like lemon juice being poured into a wound?



REMINDER: this thread is for venting frustration about Blood Angels not being out yet, not one to debate the validity of said frustration. Thank you

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With Chaos, Tzeench would probably turn your hands, feet and face into
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force you and all your friends to fight to the death using your new
scrotal appendages. Once they get tired of that, you get tossed to
Slaanesh who <censored by order of the Inquisition>, until you finally
end up in Nurgle's clutches and he uses you as a loofah.  
   
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My frustration with Blood Angels revolves round Terminators with Feel No Pain, or most of their army having Feel No Pain. And Brother Corbulo. I despise them.

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 Phiasco II wrote:
To that point, venting frustrations that Blood Angels are still forthcoming does not in any way demean the struggles other players have experience waiting for their own faction to get updates. Furthermore, venting frustration doesn't mean you feel like you deserve to be next, just that you are really looking forward to the next update and want it to be as soon as possible. Having a place to vent helps pass the time and seeing others post with similar frustrations could even build comradery.

I can totally get behind that!

"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
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