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 keezus wrote:

 AnomanderRake wrote:
Honestly? I've been playing Warmahordes for about six months and I just beat an eight-jack Cyriss army with an infantry Morvahna list after all the veteran players in the store agreed the game had been lost in army selection. A bad matchup in this game isn't a guaranteed win the way an invisible Knight versus a Daemons army in 40k is, it's an edge that can be overcome or worked around.

I'm not sure what you are trying to say here. Certainly, in bad match ups it is possible to win if you exceed your opponent in skill. There is always bad bumps of the dice as well. Bad match ups limit your options, or force you to gamble on sub-optimal plays where your outcome is entirely dependent on the dice gods. In a situation assuming equal skill, your opponent should be able to somewhat predict your actions, as your actions are limited.

8 Jacks suggests the Forge Master. eMorv is actually a favorable matchup as he's very upkeep dependent and purification rustles his jimmies. pMorv seems like a poor matchup on paper, but without seeing both the lists, this can't be verified either.

I'm trying to say that a bad matchup in Warmachine isn't an auto-loose button in the same way it is in some other games. I can take models that are hard-countered by the stuff on the other side of the table and have no optimal targets and still win if I play carefully and cleverly. This isn't like where in 40k your models can up and do nothing if the other guy has the tool that makes them do nothing.

(If I recall the lists correctly I was fielding EMorvahna, a Winter Argus, a Moonhound, a Stalker, Druids, Skinwalkers, Bloodtrackers, a Blackclad, and Shifting Stones against Syntherion, two Assimilators, two Monitors, a Cipher, two Optifex Directives, a Corollary, two Galvanizers, and two of the arc node solos; I call it a bad matchup because the Stalker was my only weapon with a POW higher than fourteen and all his stuff was ignoring the concealment and stealth I was counting on to keep the Druids and the Bloodtrackers alive. I won because I managed to adapt my tactics to the situation better than he did, not because my models were better-suited to the fight.)

Thats definitely a very confused eMorv list. A typical eMorv list wouldn't have any specific trouble with Syntherion because it would have a lot more hitting power.

 AnomanderRake wrote:
I'm trying to say that a bad matchup in Warmachine isn't an auto-loose button in the same way it is in some other games.

Except in very specific situation. My all-shooting Gunnbjorn list against some Old Witch + Winterguard + Conquest where there was a forest, then a 5-inch storm of crow cloud effect, then another forest? With the scenario? That was quite impossible to win.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 AnomanderRake wrote:
I'm trying to say that a bad matchup in Warmachine isn't an auto-loose button in the same way it is in some other games.

Except in very specific situation. My all-shooting Gunnbjorn list against some Old Witch + Winterguard + Conquest where there was a forest, then a 5-inch storm of crow cloud effect, then another forest? With the scenario? That was quite impossible to win.

Not enough Bombers, I take it?

Reminds me of a tournament a few months ago where first I took my pHaley list against an Asphixious 3 theme force. I was crushing my opponent so hard that I got overconfident and lost the game...

WMH is a cruel mistress, it doesn't matter how much of a favourable match up you have, the person that wins is the one that makes the second to last mistake!

PhantomViper wrote:
WMH is a cruel mistress, it doesn't matter how much of a favourable match up you have, the person that wins is the one that makes the second to last mistake!

Dead true, and once you realize and accept this, the game becomes much more enjoyable.

 AnomanderRake wrote:
Not enough Bombers, I take it?

One. My sluggers felt useless. I mean, even more than usual . My thumpers too.