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Yup, back when 40k was actually a decent game instead of an excuse to sell more models.

The Imperial Answer wrote:
The Orkanauts not having effigy (it says they are built to epitomize the ork gods after all just like a stompa ).

The Deep Strike mishap table. You mean to tell me a Trygon - Mawloc trying to burrow up under one guard squad or a chimmera mishaps and can be destroyed if it rolls a 1 (never mind the fact the trygon is small bio-titan.)

Stomp attacks I can see in the case of Imperial or Eldar walkers. Maybe its a Leonidas style kick or something. But how a Stompa (it even has stomp in the name) can stomp anything as heavy.

Also, Buzzgob is a special character (can take challenges). But you can upgrade him to include his BigMek Stompa which I think can still accept challenges. Id like to see any other character (not counting the apoc daemon lords) survive a round of combat with that. Also there is the added confusion of how this would work with Lukas the Tricksters endgame surprise.

You may want to re-read the rules for a Trygon, they don't mishap.

- Imperial Guard chain of command - a Lord Commissar can never outrank a Company Commander. However, a Primaris Psyker, Engineer, Ministorum Priest or Regular Commissar can outrank a Company Commander.

- If a Lord Commissar rises high enough in the ranks, he will eventually outrank himself.

- A Company Commander has a better chance of issuing an order to a squad through a vox caster than he does of issuing an order to his own squad.

- A Company Commander is unable to issue an order to a unit enbarked in a vehicle, even if he is embarked in the same vehicle. I guess the driver is playing music too loud.

- Guns can't be fired in combat.

- Pistols can be fired in combat, but they miraculously take on the properties of whatever weapon the user is wielding in his other hand.

- A Plasma Pistol will never overheat, so long as it is being pointed directly at a guardsman's head.

- Knowledge of a particular enemy makes plasma weapons less likely to overheat when firing at that enemy.

- A flyer's standard height is 10ft off the ground.

- Commanders will forbid their men from firing blasts or flamers at an invisible unit.

- If a friendly unit is in combat, commanders will never shoot at the enemy unit in combat. This applies even if the enemy is a monstrous creature, and the friendly models barely reach its shins.

- When a unit finishes off another unit in combat, it will consolidate a few feet in triumph. Then, it will either be staggered and unable to act even while the enemy takes aim at it, or else act normally and be able to immediately jump into the fray again. This is suspected to be a quantum anomaly, as it seems to depend on the time at which combat ended, rather than the endurance of the victors.

- Ogryns have put on weight since 5th. A strict diet is recommended.

- In the 41st millennium, the only available anti-flyer tactics for most units are to shoot their guns randomly into the air and hope to get lucky.

- A drop pod falling from orbit will veer to the side, in order to avoid squashing some gaunts.

I always thought this was goofy-ridiculous...

ADLs cannot be targeted, do not take damage and cannot be destroyed, even by weapons that were designed to destroy emplacements (eg. Demolisher or Medusa siege cannons).

Toofast wrote:
That reads like a list of "why the WMH rules are 1000x better than anything that GW has ever done". Most of the problems in that list are fixed in WMH. Especially the part about a MC down to 1 wound being just as powerful. In WMH your jacks take damage in rows. The bottom of each column has letters symbolizing left arm, right arm, cortex and movement. Once the left arm is damaged, attacks with that weapon are less powerful. Also, they use modifiers when something has cover. It's just a much better system overall and I didn't truly realize how many stupid rules interactions 40k had until I learned WMH. To fix 40k they would need to scrap everything and remake it from the ground up. I don't expect it to be 100% realistic but the core mechanics of the game shouldn't be so obviously flawed.

To be fair, Warmachine has it's own set of weird rules, and I'm saying that as a fan. Such as:

--A heavy warjack can be thrown over the head of a light warjack, but a human cannot be thrown over another human, even if the second person is knocked down and in a trench.

--Colossal-sized robots and monsters cannot end their movement on top of a waist-high wall, even if you could physically fit the wall between the legs of the model with no problems.

--The Press Ganger mercenary unit can turn enemy warrior models they destroy into pirates and add them to a nearby Sea Dog unit. "Warrior models." includes war dogs, wolves, 2ft-high midget trolls, parasitic monsters puppeteering the corpses of the mortals they burst out of, infant warbeasts turned into living pain projectors, and intelligent evil trees.

The point of this thread isn't to argue how bad or good the 40K rules (or those of any other system) are, it's to have a laugh at silly stuff.

Another one is the "come the apocalypse" alignment. Would it really hamper some armies like the Tyranids and Daemons to be fighting rank to rank alongside other armies they would normally be killing ? From what I understand the hive mind dosent really care about particulars and neither does chaos.

The Imperial Answer wrote:
Another one is the "come the apocalypse" alignment. Would it really hamper some armies like the Tyranids and Daemons to be fighting rank to rank alongside other armies they would normally be killing ? From what I understand the hive mind dosent really care about particulars and neither does chaos.

That whole "Shadow of the Warp" thing somewhat disrupts daemons a bit, oh and the fact that

A: The Tyranid "Blood" is actually just an ichor, not really suitable to Khorne
B: Diseases aren't exactly rampant amongst Nids, that and they kill everything off.
C: Their minds aren't suitable playthings, and mutation isn't exactly rampant amongst them, thus they bore Tzeentch
D: They have no desires aside "Feed" to the point where it's just instinct, meaning you can't corrupt them or tempt them, Slaanesh hates them.

They are practically anti-chaos just by existing, by destroying actual mortals with thoughts, feelings, and souls they deny chaos. There's a very good story of this in the Tyranid book with "The Fall of Shadowbrink".

‘This world, this galaxy, all of it is ours to twist and corrupt as we will! Such elaborate artistry have we planned for the flesh and souls that you would, in your ignorance, gobble like mindless beasts. We shall cast you back into the outer dark from whence you came, for this reality is the plaything of the children of the Eye, and you have no place in it!’

- Lesh’Jae’Thi’Hah, Keeper of Secrets

Wearing terminator armor, which enables you to move just as fast as any other infantry while firing heavy weapons encumbers you too much to chase down a unit you just beat in close combat.

Terminator armor lets you fire a gun better, so a 12 inch gun on the move becomes a 24 inch gun.

Same for a bike. Also T increases somehow.

Krak grenades can only be used against vehicle targets in CC

Can only disengage from assault if you lose or cannot hurt the target. So one commissar with a Power fist can screw his entire blob if that ISN'T what you meant to do. But lets face it, that IS what you meant to do.

Eldar bikes give you an armor save... somehow

Immobilized vehicles can jink

Grey Knights in fact, CAN peril on Sanctic period.

Units have to have a special rule to split fire, even if they obviously have guns meant for a different job.

Deep Striking in general. I hate it with a passion, when you get 100 terminators deepstriking pinpoint in a nice orderly line in fluff. Hell even Dreadnaughts can DS but you never see it.

A psyker can somehow take another psykers energy.

S5 AP2 blast murders termies doesn't really touch vehicles, S10 AP- blast doesn't touch termies wrecks Landraiders.

Cover in general.

Inability to shoot in CC.

Psykers being able to share warp tokens to me just implies that they're working together to cast the power using a ritual.

 Agent_Tremolo wrote:

Been there, done that.

190 points for a LRD.

My god... old40K.

My friends brought this up against me once:

- A unit of advanced super soldiers firing overwatch prioritizes a single random cultist over an entire horde of berserkers...because the cultist ran first

Tau's low WS results in everybody else having a 2/3 chance to _hit them_, combined with their low initiative this results in them mathematically losing melee with Guardsmen, for instance, despite having better armor.

Some weapons are difficult to use, preventing the wielder from gaining extra attacks from using 2 weapons. However, if person has two different weapons that are both difficult to use, he gains the extra attack.

Alcibiades wrote:
Tau's low WS results in everybody else having a 2/3 chance to _hit them_, combined with their low initiative this results in them mathematically losing melee with Guardsmen, for instance, despite having better armor.

I'm struggling to see why this is silly. Tau armour is not impervious, so all the Guardsmen have to do is aim for the gaps, weak spots etc.. And, since the Tau aren't skilled at defending themselves in melee, then they won't be able to do much about it.

Also, the idea that someone might find a forest more difficult to push through than a cement wall which has a few small windows

lustigjh wrote:
Also, the idea that someone might find a forest more difficult to push through than a cement wall which has a few small windows

This is 40k we're talking about. The forest is more likely to be actively trying to kill you than the cement wall.

Alcibiades wrote:
Tau's low WS results in everybody else having a 2/3 chance to _hit them_, combined with their low initiative this results in them mathematically losing melee with Guardsmen, for instance, despite having better armor.

What Vipoid said. Also Tau armor isn't exactly stupendous, it's not power armor, and Guardsmen also often have access to similar armor (at least Vets and command squads). Being less skilled and slower is a far bigger handicap than having worse armor, as it should be.

Bikes increase toughness as you're fighting against the bike, same with Eldar jetbikes giving armour; the bike protects them.

SGTPozy wrote:
Bikes increase toughness as you're fighting against the bike, same with Eldar jetbikes giving armour; the bike protects them.

By this logic Ork Bikers would get 3+ as well, thus it's not exactly right.

SGTPozy wrote:
Bikes increase toughness as you're fighting against the bike, same with Eldar jetbikes giving armour; the bike protects them.

Oh gak me and Pozy agreed on something THE APOCALYPSE IS COMING RUN FOR YOUR LIVES

Cover only works selectively. For Spess Muhreen a piece of wall will do nothing to stop bullets but it will for a Guardsman.

Rhinos hold 10 non-bulky models, whereas the smaller Taurox can hold 5 bulky models

Nid player here, learnt two things:

1) The Hierophant towers over pretty much anything. But having a toe in a crater allows it to crouch down for a 5+ cover.

2) Same thing applies to Flyrants who are 50ft in the air.

this is hilarious. i love trying to imagine some of these and it just makes me giggle.

about the superhumans tripping and falling during a charge. reminds me of my friends ultramarines not making a 4 inch charge against my orks wildly, (and fruitlesly) shooting their weapons at them in point break range. (they were charging through difficult terrain and the orks had the mysterious objective that -2 to any charge, to be fair)

also, it would make sense that an "assault" weapon should make full ballistic skill in the overwatch of an "assault," especially frikin pistols.

geargutz wrote:
also, it would make sense that an "assault" weapon should make full ballistic skill in the overwatch of an "assault," especially frikin pistols.

Yes please. My Eldar with all their Assault weapons are not OP enough.

 vipoid wrote:
Some weapons are difficult to use, preventing the wielder from gaining extra attacks from using 2 weapons. However, if person has two different weapons that are both difficult to use, he gains the extra attack.

Alcibiades wrote:
Tau's low WS results in everybody else having a 2/3 chance to _hit them_, combined with their low initiative this results in them mathematically losing melee with Guardsmen, for instance, despite having better armor.

I'm struggling to see why this is silly. Tau armour is not impervious, so all the Guardsmen have to do is aim for the gaps, weak spots etc.. And, since the Tau aren't skilled at defending themselves in melee, then they won't be able to do much about it.

It's not silly; I was responding to the OP's point (buried in his list) that Tau's WS2 was pointless because they hit anythin on a 4+ even with one of 3.

 BlaxicanX wrote:

 Agent_Tremolo wrote:

Been there, done that.

190 points for a LRD.

My god... old40K.

Hey. 300 Points for a Space Marine Tactical Squad with Bolters, so don't argue...



Other sillyness; the only ranged weapon in the game to automatically hit, automatically wound, disallow armour, cover and invulnerable saves and remove a model no matter how many wounds it has remaining..... the commissar shooting his own men.

Couldn't you use those special bolt rounds on the enemy occasionally?

Someone thought it would be a good idea to remove the Executioner's cooling systems.

 Frozocrone wrote:
Nid player here, learnt two things:

1) The Hierophant towers over pretty much anything. But having a toe in a crater allows it to crouch down for a 5+ cover.

2) Same thing applies to Flyrants who are 50ft in the air.

That was in 6-th ed. 7-th fixed that with true los. Nope?

 vipoid wrote:
Someone thought it would be a good idea to remove the Executioner's cooling systems.

Well, in all fairness they did get a point drop... Although I'd still wish they would make it an upgrade you could purchase with points.