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 timetowaste85 wrote:
My friend runs 0 slaves and has won every game. You don't need the Internet chump list to win with skaven.

Grey seer on bell, HPA (with magical upgrade), Doom Wheel, Plague Monks w/ Furnace, 40 man block of clan rats with Bell, storm vermin with storm banner, engineer with rocket, 2 units of censer bearers. Not sure what else, but it hasn't lost a game yet, and he's taken it to all local tournaments and multiple state tournaments. Everyone expects the 200 slaves. Mix it up and give em something they don't see coming.

I run something similar, came in second at a local tournament. Though I don't mind working on 200 Clan Rats, I enjoy my Skaven army. If you want to punish me, make me work with Restic.

Super excited about an End Times Skaven book, should be great!

 nels1031 wrote:
Hell pit abomination.

Oh yeah.. Dakka should really get that in the glossary lol

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

 tarnish wrote:
Dont play skaven, never felt like painting 200+ clan rats, but if this new book has a viable way around that i might give them a go.

200+ clanrats is the least of your worries. Each of those clanrats consists of, on average, 3 or 4 bits = 800 FETHING bits to file and glue!

They're only 2 parts actually. 3 if you give them shields.

But yeah Skaven are one of the armies I'm considering, and the large amount of models is definitely a con for them.

Yeah, but that's still 400 or 600 bits to file and glue

Good luck with your Skaven force - I have respect for anybody who can go the distance and put together a large Skaven army. I have tried and failed 3 times

Yeahhhh was just trying to make it seem better haha. I haven't decided if I'm going to do them or not. I love the models (Stormvermin are my favourite core unit in the game) but you need so many!

SO what I am trying to figure out, what other army will be paired with Skaven?

SO far we've had 3 books that combined armies into legions,

Legions of Undead, Legions of Chaos and The Eternity King/Phoenix King/Aestyrion.

Skaven and Orcs?

I don't think anything fit with them. All the races left seem to be odd ones out (except Humans obviously).

I've heard the book will be about Skaven and Lizardmen, and I don't see anyway they would work together (I mean all the fluff about them is about how much they hate each other...)

Although I'm not sure how true that rumour is.

Perhaps they are revisiting the older fluff and rekindle that hatred with even more hatred?

 ImAGeek wrote:
I don't think anything fit with them. All the races left seem to be odd ones out (except Humans obviously).

I've heard the book will be about Skaven and Lizardmen, and I don't see anyway they would work together (I mean all the fluff about them is about how much they hate each other...)

Although I'm not sure how true that rumour is.

All the fluff about the Dark Elves was about how much they hated the High Elves. Look how that turned out.

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
I don't think anything fit with them. All the races left seem to be odd ones out (except Humans obviously).

I've heard the book will be about Skaven and Lizardmen, and I don't see anyway they would work together (I mean all the fluff about them is about how much they hate each other...)

Although I'm not sure how true that rumour is.

All the fluff about the Dark Elves was about how much they hated the High Elves. Look how that turned out.

Yeah, but they were still the same race, and United under one strong leader, and they were still infighting until Malekith won (I think, I haven't read it yet). I just can't see any fluff that would make sense for LM and Skaven to work together.

End times Horned rat maybe?

If they make a horned rat model my money is theirs. I bet the Skaven will finally unite to some degree and start attacking all over the old world. Or go finish off the dwarves or Lizardmen.

So when do Beastmen get an End Times release? That's what I'd like to know.

Whernt they in with chaos or something?

Between this and the Shield of Baal stuff, I just cant keep up money-wise. I can't miss out on this book, but I've got to somehow justify it to my wife....on top of the Shield of Baal: Exterminatus book that is supposed to go up for pre-order tomorrow!

Would really like to see Skaven get their last few units updated in plastic kits...weapons teams, jezzails, globadiers, censer bearers, night/gutter runners, and a few plastic heroes - assassin, warlock engineer, warlord? Thanquol, Bone Ripper and with a Great Horned Rat kit make a lot of sense for End Times, those would have been my educated guess as well. Though I much prefer Skrolk and clan pestilens thematically over Thanquol...and would make more sense if the book centers around Lizardmen/Lustria at all....I have a strong feeling though, that they want the center of action to be the Old World - across all of the End Times books - who knows, maybe we will get Skrolk as well anyway...We did get a couple of character general kits with Nagash...

Any way you slice it, it's a good time to be a Skaven player.

Still, I'm curious if Ocs/Goblins, Ogre Kingdoms, or Lizardmen will get any attention...my speculation would be Orcs and Goblins (maybe Ogre Kingdoms tied in in some way) for book 5 with some cool Dwarf stuff tied in...maybe a new incarnation of a prominent dwarf hero (Like they did with Karl Franz)...Though I have heard rumors of the last book centering on the alliance of men and dwarves...Empire/Bretonnia/Dwarf as a single army with some new heroes? Interesting times...

squidhills wrote:
So when do Beastmen get an End Times release? That's what I'd like to know.

They won't get one probably. Chaos has already had a book, and a second Chaos book will be about Archaon, there won't be anything beastmen specific, it'll be the Legions of Chaos again.

 ImAGeek wrote:

squidhills wrote:
So when do Beastmen get an End Times release? That's what I'd like to know.

They won't get one probably. Chaos has already had a book, and a second Chaos book will be about Archaon, there won't be anything beastmen specific, it'll be the Legions of Chaos again.

Color me surprised. It's like GW want to pretend Beastmen aren't an army any more. WoC get love. Daemons get love. Beasts? Nada. Actually, it seems like they are trying to pretend Nurgle is the only Chaos god, too (how many non-Nurgle models in the Chaos End Times book?).

I love the Skaven, they are the best Fantasy army.

Would never actually collect them due to 'good luck I am behind 5000 slaves'.

But they are still awesome.

 Fango wrote:
Would really like to see Skaven get their last few units updated in plastic kits...weapons teams, jezzails, globadiers, censer bearers, night/gutter runners, and a few plastic heroes - assassin, warlock engineer, warlord?

I would actually break my vows of non-GW purchasing for the kit as highlighted in green. I would pay stupid money for it too.

squidhills wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

squidhills wrote:
So when do Beastmen get an End Times release? That's what I'd like to know.

They won't get one probably. Chaos has already had a book, and a second Chaos book will be about Archaon, there won't be anything beastmen specific, it'll be the Legions of Chaos again.

Color me surprised. It's like GW want to pretend Beastmen aren't an army any more. WoC get love. Daemons get love. Beasts? Nada. Actually, it seems like they are trying to pretend Nurgle is the only Chaos god, too (how many non-Nurgle models in the Chaos End Times book?).

Well to be fair, they got improvements in the Glotkin book, and they were featured in the story. I don't think they're any more neglected than other armies.

 Fango wrote:
Between this and the Shield of Baal stuff, I just cant keep up money-wise. I can't miss out on this book, but I've got to somehow justify it to my wife....on top of the Shield of Baal: Exterminatus book that is supposed to go up for pre-order tomorrow!

Would really like to see Skaven get their last few units updated in plastic kits...weapons teams, jezzails, globadiers, censer bearers, night/gutter runners, and a few plastic heroes - assassin, warlock engineer, warlord? Thanquol, Bone Ripper and with a Great Horned Rat kit make a lot of sense for End Times, those would have been my educated guess as well. Though I much prefer Skrolk and clan pestilens thematically over Thanquol...and would make more sense if the book centers around Lizardmen/Lustria at all....I have a strong feeling though, that they want the center of action to be the Old World - across all of the End Times books - who knows, maybe we will get Skrolk as well anyway...We did get a couple of character general kits with Nagash...

Any way you slice it, it's a good time to be a Skaven player.

Still, I'm curious if Ocs/Goblins, Ogre Kingdoms, or Lizardmen will get any attention...my speculation would be Orcs and Goblins (maybe Ogre Kingdoms tied in in some way) for book 5 with some cool Dwarf stuff tied in...maybe a new incarnation of a prominent dwarf hero (Like they did with Karl Franz)...Though I have heard rumors of the last book centering on the alliance of men and dwarves...Empire/Bretonnia/Dwarf as a single army with some new heroes? Interesting times...

That's why you have to join the movement and give up on 40k.

 ImAGeek wrote:

squidhills wrote:
So when do Beastmen get an End Times release? That's what I'd like to know.

They won't get one probably. Chaos has already had a book, and a second Chaos book will be about Archaon, there won't be anything beastmen specific, it'll be the Legions of Chaos again.

Who says it won't have anything Beastmen specific?

If you read Khaine, the Beastmen are regrouping in record numbers--even with all three of the Elven nations banding together to make "Beastmen Hunting" an Olympic sport.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

squidhills wrote:
So when do Beastmen get an End Times release? That's what I'd like to know.

They won't get one probably. Chaos has already had a book, and a second Chaos book will be about Archaon, there won't be anything beastmen specific, it'll be the Legions of Chaos again.

Who says it won't have anything Beastmen specific?

If you read Khaine, the Beastmen are regrouping in record numbers--even with all three of the Elven nations banding together to make "Beastmen Hunting" an Olympic sport.

Well I assumed he meant Beastmen specific. That's what I was saying, that if they're featured again it will be in another chaos book, not a specific one to them.

 Flashman wrote:

 Fango wrote:
Would really like to see Skaven get their last few units updated in plastic kits...weapons teams, jezzails, globadiers, censer bearers, night/gutter runners, and a few plastic heroes - assassin, warlock engineer, warlord?

I would actually break my vows of non-GW purchasing for the kit as highlighted in green. I would pay stupid money for it too.

Sadly it does seem like the ET stuff is following GW's recent pattern of ignoring the often atrocious looking outdated models in their range in favour of inventing random new-shiny units, presumably because the glorified middle-managers in charge don't have enough confidence in their products to believe they'd sell to players who already own the crappy old ones.

Yeah, I would love for them to redo some more rank and file miniatures. Imo it's some of what GW does best... other companies have long since surpassed them on character sculpts, and GW's huge advantage (being able to sculpt and tool for polystyrene models) really doesn't do anything for characters, which can look better in resin/metal with more undercuts.

Still, really hoping for a new edition of fantasy next year that is awesome, on the heels of End Times. No way I'm buying FIVE separate End Times books towards that end, though

 ImAGeek wrote:

They won't get one probably. Chaos has already had a book, and a second Chaos book will be about Archaon, there won't be anything beastmen specific, it'll be the Legions of Chaos again.

I actually reckon Archaon will appear in a book about someone else, in the same way as Valten and KFA.

Probably in the combined "Armies of Man" list that will inevitably come.

squidhills wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

squidhills wrote:
So when do Beastmen get an End Times release? That's what I'd like to know.

They won't get one probably. Chaos has already had a book, and a second Chaos book will be about Archaon, there won't be anything beastmen specific, it'll be the Legions of Chaos again.

Color me surprised. It's like GW want to pretend Beastmen aren't an army any more. WoC get love. Daemons get love. Beasts? Nada. Actually, it seems like they are trying to pretend Nurgle is the only Chaos god, too (how many non-Nurgle models in the Chaos End Times book?).

They've had an excessive love for Nurgle and Khorne for decades now, at the expense of Tzeentch and Slaanesh. Nothing new. They'll sometimes throw T and S a bone, here or there, but that's about it.

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
If they make a horned rat model my money is theirs.

If it's anything like Nagash or Glotkin, they have my money too. I would also love Lord Skrolk redone in plastic. But I'm a Pestilens guy. I'm guessing though that they covered what they were going to cover plague-wise.

I really want at least a new vermin lord

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
I really want at least a new vermin lord

That's what the rumours I've seen have been pointing to.

Having some new named characters from the council of thirteen would be great as we'll.

Came for details, left disappointed.

ET: Skaven will probably be the first and only ET purchase I make. Would love a new Vermin Lord (my metal dude will not stay together), but as others have said, updated models for Gutter Runners/Night Runners is pretty much top of my list.