Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

Eumerin wrote:
Forces of War is the "quick and dirty" version. There's no historical background or campaign information, and the lists are presented as just a bunch of checkboxes with points.

A major release like BF's initial Pacific offering is not going to be using that as the primary distribution point.

Just speculation on my part about a digital only release; BF hasn't stated that they won't have paper version.
However, since "everybody" has been clamoring for Cold War Gone Hot and Pacific for some time, a digital only release would force people to buy-in that route. Once in, then WW2 stuff is an easy justification.

 Ghaz wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Meanwhile Early War (and to a lesser extent Mid War) could use some loving.

They finished Early War when they released Barbarossa.

News to me, considering that (to my knowledge) there are no rules covering things like the invasion of Denmark and Norway, nor the various goings on in the wider balkan region beyond Greece (invasion of Yugoslavia, Hungarian skirmishes in Slovakia), nor things like the Japanese invasion of the Phillipines or Hong Kong (or for that matter ongoing combat with nationalist and communist Chinese forces). Sure, you could argue that most of this stuff can be replicated from the existing books, but Id argue that most of Late War could be covered by the "big books" and there was no need for the finer granularity to be found in Nachtjager, Nuts!, etc. In other words, if theyre going to to through Late War with such a fine tooth comb in order to highlight all these unusal and one off/situational forces, they should do the same for Early and Mid. The Siege of Sevastapol and Leningrad are just as deserving of their own books as Bastogne, Anzio, and Remagen.

Regardless, Battlefront has already said that Early War is done.

if you took that to mean that early war is done, then yohr reading comprehension skills are pretty friggin terrible. I mean, theybsay "early war is done" followed immediately by "but is it?" and then list off a bunch of stuff that they have in the works for early war... I.E. its pretty clearly NOT done or they wouldnt be producing more briefings (which will no doubt eventually find their way into a book like most of the others over the years), as well as the Operation Sea Lion book theyve been working on for what feels like two years and Early War Experimentals.

My reading comprehension is fine, and apparently better than yours. Yes, it means Early War is done as far as books are concerned. The Hungarians and Romanians are in the recently released digital exclusive briefings. All we may see is 'Early War Experimentals' and a few random briefings.

unless something has changed, Sea Lion is very much supposed to be a book release (at least thats what the BF guys told me at Cold Wars, I have no reason to doubt them since everything else theyve told me has become a reality). In any case, done means no new content, so long as they are working on content, they are not done for the purposes of this discussion.

First I've heard of a Sea Lion release. There hasn't been so much as a whisper of it on the official forums.

In any event, my current opinion of Early War is that it has some flaws that need to be corrected before it gets the sort of in-depth look that would merit coverage of things like Norway and Denmark. Specifically, it needs a better way to deal with armor, AT Value, and points costs in the period. When artillery is absurdly expensive because it also happens to be your best (and sometimes only effective) anti-tank equipment, then something is out of whack. With the release of Barbarossa, there's a basic framework in place that will allow you to play all of the big stuff, and some of the smaller stuff. Ergo, it's "done". Hopefully they'll revisit it in the future. But for the time being, it's essentially "complete".

And yes, you can make the same argument about Late War with the upcoming release of Berlin. I still expect them to have regular Late War releases, though, as that's where the money tends to be for World War 2 (more toys).

Sea Lion has been alluded to and discussed openly by BF many a time. In the link posted above it was "Fallschrimjager on the white cliffs of Dover". Its discussed in this podcast interview with a developer: http://www.wwpd.net/2012/06/wwpd-news-from-front-episode-39.html?m=1

Im almost positive it was directly called out by name as a forthcoming release in last years state of the game as well.

I'd run last year's State of the Game down to confirm just because I'm curious. But iirc, last year's was a video, and not a text article. And I don't feel like sitting through an hour's worth of video just to confirm whether a loaded off-hand comment was made.

In any event, if they release Sealion, it won't be this year.

Until such time as there is a 14th Army 'book', I have no interest in the Pacific.

The Cold War looks to be exciting.

We used to play Cold War Micro Armor when I was younger, and a friend had a complete Soviet Mechanized Division that we would use for invasions of Germany.

I usually would up playing defense, which was a US mech Infantry Battallion, and a German Armored Company.

We usually trashed the Soviets, at which point Darrell would pull out his giant Mushroom cloud and nuke us.

It might be fun to do some smaller Cold War era engagements.

MB

So I'm going to be damn poor in the near future. The Cold War AND The Pacific? Jesus Battlefront that's just not fair!

So American armor for my Fulda Gap boys (2/77 Armor) and Marines (duh) for the Pacific. Hello 1/1 representation of the 1st Mar Div!

You know what I want for a Cold War gone hot? I want Communist China. the Bear and the Dragon baby. A second front for everyone as China attacks the Pacific holdings and allies of the U.S., then attacks north to seize Siberia from the USSR. That'll bring in more non-NATO/Pact nations, Vietnam for example was a Russian ally and more then likely to at least try and fight the Chinese. The JSDF changing foot back to the IJA/IJN to engage the Chinese would be cool as well. Book wise you have the renewed Korean War, a third war in Manchuria between Japan and China (grudge match baby) and the Chinese assault towards Siberia. Another good opportunity is conflict in South America (lots of Soviet allies there) including the battle for GitMo against the Cubans, and you could easily do a renewed war in the Middle East, lots of Soviet and American allies there as well.

Id be happy with NWE - as the Soviet horde can fight all or Europe plus the US, then a 'spin off' to include Afghanistan/Irregulars, so you could do Soviets vs Afghanistan, Gulf War 1&2, and then the current conflicts. At the level of granularity to be honest most of the stats will be the same, as better gear got countered by better ECM etc.

 LuciusAR wrote:
I'd promised to limit myself to just one historical project this year...

Simple: Build a complete Pacific campaign with Japanese and US forces. One not quite so simple or small historical project.

Skriker

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
So I'm going to be damn poor in the near future. The Cold War AND The Pacific? Jesus Battlefront that's just not fair!

So American armor for my Fulda Gap boys (2/77 Armor) and Marines (duh) for the Pacific. Hello 1/1 representation of the 1st Mar Div!

You know what I want for a Cold War gone hot? I want Communist China. the Bear and the Dragon baby. A second front for everyone as China attacks the Pacific holdings and allies of the U.S., then attacks north to seize Siberia from the USSR. That'll bring in more non-NATO/Pact nations, Vietnam for example was a Russian ally and more then likely to at least try and fight the Chinese. The JSDF changing foot back to the IJA/IJN to engage the Chinese would be cool as well. Book wise you have the renewed Korean War, a third war in Manchuria between Japan and China (grudge match baby) and the Chinese assault towards Siberia. Another good opportunity is conflict in South America (lots of Soviet allies there) including the battle for GitMo against the Cubans, and you could easily do a renewed war in the Middle East, lots of Soviet and American allies there as well.

Patience...

While the rest of the Warsaw Pact could probably fit into one book (just a set of lists with minor equipment variations), the individual NATO nations (and France) will take more work and time. And they'll no doubt have the first priority in any follow-up products. Bringing in the two Chinas, two Koreas, and Japan, is probably just a vague what-if for Battlefront at this point.