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Yeah because the Cygnar lists from Keith, Jay and other good players never won or didn't happen.

 Imaskari wrote:
Yeah because the Cygnar lists from Keith, Jay and other good players never won or didn't happen.

Never said they never win, but they aren't dominating like you posit they are. Hell, there were a total of ZERO Cygnar players in the Masters at Gencon.

I was replying to your shooting not being very good which is just not true.

You mixed together that and what I said about Cygna like they were the same thing for some reason

 Imaskari wrote:
I was replying to your shooting not being very good which is just not true.

You mixed together that and what I said about Cygna like they were the same thing for some reason


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 Imaskari wrote:
I was replying to your shooting not being very good which is just not true.

You mixed together that and what I said about Cygnat like they were the same thing for some reason

No, I said it wasn't as good as in comparison to melee.

 Platuan4th wrote:
Shooting isn't really that good in this game compared to melee.

Which itself was in response to your assertion that shooting is somehow overpowering and dominating the game, which is patently not true.

Wow my posting sucks.


You win just because of that.

And as for my assertion regarding Cygnar in tournaments, here's the results of the Iron Gauntlet and various Masters for the past few years:

http://www.discountgamesinc.com/tournaments/

Yeah its always one of the original 4 Warmachine factions with Circle and sometimes Skorne sprinkled in its been that way for a while.

I'm just saying shooting is relevant and that I hate playing against Cygnar because they are so shooting heavy thats it.

 Imaskari wrote:
Yeah its always one of the original 4 Warmachine factions with Circle and sometimes Skorne sprinkled in its been that way for a while.

I'm just saying shooting is relevant and that I hate playing against Cygnar because they are so shooting heavy thats it.

I like playing Cygnar/playing against Cygnar because Cygnar can't play the football-game line-up-and-run-forward game inexperienced and unimaginative players tend to pull so it turns into an actual game of fire and manoeuvre instead of "I got the charge! I win!". I'm not saying other factions are boring/can't break the mould but Cygnar is forced by the nature of their stuff to break the mould and the game becomes more interesting as a result.

 AnomanderRake wrote:

 Imaskari wrote:
Yeah its always one of the original 4 Warmachine factions with Circle and sometimes Skorne sprinkled in its been that way for a while.

I'm just saying shooting is relevant and that I hate playing against Cygnar because they are so shooting heavy thats it.

I like playing Cygnar/playing against Cygnar because Cygnar can't play the football-game line-up-and-run-forward game inexperienced and unimaginative players tend to pull so it turns into an actual game of fire and manoeuvre instead of "I got the charge! I win!". I'm not saying other factions are boring/can't break the mould but Cygnar is forced by the nature of their stuff to break the mould and the game becomes more interesting as a result.

I don't think any faction really breaks the mold, I just think some factions are more myopic than others.

I think break the mold stuff mostly happens with new releases.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
What is spoiled about Zerkova?

She has a spell called Occult Whispers.

Its a self spell that makes all magic attacks in her control area gain an additional die on attack rolls.

Thats all we know right now. Aside from her buddies almost certainly being pow12ish reach weapon masters with berserk and having spell ward.

 Grey Templar wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
What is spoiled about Zerkova?

She has a spell called Occult Whispers.

Its a self spell that makes all magic attacks in her control area gain an additional die on attack rolls.

Thats all we know right now. Aside from her buddies almost certainly being pow12ish reach weapon masters with berserk and having spell ward.

..........
YAY, MY DOOM REAVERS!!!!!!!!!!!!
And Aiyana can give my IFP magic weapon.
Oh, and Ruin have a magical weapon.
As Do Greylords
I am in love

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
What is spoiled about Zerkova?

She has a spell called Occult Whispers.

Its a self spell that makes all magic attacks in her control area gain an additional die on attack rolls.

Thats all we know right now. Aside from her buddies almost certainly being pow12ish reach weapon masters with berserk and having spell ward.

..........
YAY, MY DOOM REAVERS!!!!!!!!!!!!
And Aiyana can give my IFP magic weapon.
Oh, and Ruin have a magical weapon.
As Do Greylords
I am in love

When they say magic attacks they mean spells. So she would greatly help all the greylord stuff that khador has.

I misread......I thought it was weapons.
Im going to go cry now

I really need to actually read some fluff and get in on all this trash talk, I'm not too far behind... now where did I put Prime?

 Emperors_Champion wrote:
I really need to actually read some fluff and get in on all this trash talk, I'm not too far behind... now where did I put Prime?

Prime MKII or MKI? Cause that could highly effect the amount of reading

Besides, everyone knows that Karchev is going to die in an epic rage quake that allows Strakov to escape and cripples the Cryx war production on the mainland.*

*Please note that all wild speculation comes with with chance of disappointment, your mileage may vary, please see you local doom-cycle herald for details

Haha it would have to be MkII as I was a little late to the party. I'm pretty sure it had just been released when it was first introduced to me as everyone kept comparing it to MkI.

I'll just go ahead and assume Cryx had already started to win in MkI!

To read the full story would you have to go back to MkI? I like games where the fluff isn't stagnant but coming in late to them has its downsides...

Basically yes. The fluff has been more or less continuous since Mk1, although each faction book will have general fluff about the faction and a brief summation of recent history.

You can get all the Mk1 books on PPs digital app for a couple bucks each.

Eventually I will read it all. I basically don't have a clue about the fluff right now. Except Krueger and that other dragon because the piece of art from Exigence really sticks in my mind.

A good book for general fluff is Kings Nations and Gods. Its one of the expansion books for the IKRPG, but its about 80% fluff about the various human nations, their origins, their prehistory, their geography, their political history, and what's currently going on And its full of full color illustrations.

Okay cool thanks, might see if I can find it on eBay. Was the fluff from Prime and Primal MkI redone in MkII? Or were they a continuation of all the MkI stuff? Because you can only get the MkI expansions, not the core books.

You should be able to get the core books on their app. I know people who have them.

The fluff is a continuation.

I just checked. They only have Apotheosis, Escalation, Superiority and Legends for MkI Warmachine, and Evolution and Metamorphasis for MkI Hordes. :/

 ImAGeek wrote:
I just checked. They only have Apotheosis, Escalation, Superiority and Legends for MkI Warmachine, and Evolution and Metamorphasis for MkI Hordes. :/

So they seem to be missing Prime and Remix? All in all, not huge losses. I've found them various places for like $3-5 used.

They may unify the story at some point, but it'd be a hefty tome. Jumping in with the MKII books means you are missing some backstory, but not enough to damage the story you're reading.

I've also heard rumours about eZerkova having a Kreoss3/eVayl feat. No idea how legit they are, but if that's the case, it makes that spell of hers just money

She could easily have a cheaper/free spell casting feat.

There's not a lot of really new fluff in any of the Primes. They're all almost entirely devoted to summing up what the factions are about, why they exist, and who's blowing up who for what reasons.

I like the art for the original colossals in the first Prime book.

I thought the story in Pirates of the Broken Coast was good, its like reading an action movie.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
What is spoiled about Zerkova?

Zerkova's runes in the cover say that she is casting "Spellpiercer": While within this model's control area, Friendly Faction model/unit gain Magical Weapons and Blessed. Spellpiercer lasts for 1 round. (When making an attack with a weapon with Blessed, ignore spell effects that add to a model's ARM or DEF.)

They will kill Makeda, calling it