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 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
What might work for plastic aspects?

Reaper/Fire Dragons
and
Scropion/Banshees

Hawks?
Spiders?

10 for $50?

6 for $50.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
What might work for plastic aspects?

Reaper/Fire Dragons
and
Scropion/Banshees

Hawks?
Spiders?

10 for $50?

6 for $50.

3 for $100 in Australia.

 Theophony wrote:
Maybe spiders and scorpions, not to many scorpions with breasts or banshees without

Banshees are an all female aspect though. Or was that a joke I didn't pick up on?

 Verviedi wrote:
3 for $100 in Australia.

Yeah, no. And that joke's gettin' old.

And it doesn't even make sense.

 Squidmanlolz wrote:
Banshees are an all female aspect though. Or was that a joke I didn't pick up on?

They're not. There are male Banshees and female Scorps, just that models don't show that. If they were remade in plastic I'm sure that they'd end up being like the DE/Wych and even Guardian kits, with a mix of both.

Updated OP with latest data.

Maybe it'll be:

Codex: Craftworld Eldar
New Jetbike/Shining Spear
Plastic Autarch

Campaign Book (Eldar vs Marines)

Campaign Box (Eldar vs Marines - special Eldar plastic character, special new Marine guy... Ravenguard? Whoever!)

Campaign Book the Second (Eldar + Marines join forces to fight Someone Else)

New Marine Book


That would be good. Just as long as the next campaign box is Tau vs Deathwatch, then I'm ok.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Maybe it'll be:

Codex: Craftworld Eldar
New Jetbike/Shining Spear
Plastic Autarch

Campaign Book (Eldar vs Marines)

Campaign Box (Eldar vs Marines - special Eldar plastic character, special new Marine guy... Ravenguard? Whoever!)

Campaign Book the Second (Eldar + Marines join forces to fight Someone Else)

New Marine Book


That would be good. Just as long as the next campaign box is Tau vs Deathwatch, then I'm ok.

The longer they hold off the Tau release, the better. Selling newly non-viable models is a bitch.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Squidmanlolz wrote:
Banshees are an all female aspect though. Or was that a joke I didn't pick up on?

They're not. There are male Banshees and female Scorps, just that models don't show that. If they were remade in plastic I'm sure that they'd end up being like the DE/Wych and even Guardian kits, with a mix of both.

I don't have my GF's copy of the codex on me, but both the 40k wiki and Lexicanum confirm that the banshees are an all-female aspect, fluff-wise (I know it's linked to the Banshees' connection to matriarchal Iybraesil and Morai-Heg). I wouldn't doubt that GW would retcon that if they wanted to make a Banshees/Scorpion set.

 Squidmanlolz wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Squidmanlolz wrote:
Banshees are an all female aspect though. Or was that a joke I didn't pick up on?

They're not. There are male Banshees and female Scorps, just that models don't show that. If they were remade in plastic I'm sure that they'd end up being like the DE/Wych and even Guardian kits, with a mix of both.

I don't have my GF's copy of the codex on me, but both the 40k wiki and Lexicanum confirm that the banshees are an all-female aspect, fluff-wise (I know it's linked to the Banshees' connection to matriarchal Iybraesil and Morai-Heg). I wouldn't doubt that GW would retcon that if they wanted to make a Banshees/Scorpion set.

There will be no Banshee/Scorpion set and here's why.

LEGS-
Scorpions- Idle, crouching poses. Fits their theme of Stealth.
Banshees- Running poses. Fits their theme as a berserker aspect.

TORSOS-
Scorpions- Heavily armored, with that weird pattern on the backplate
Banshees- Thinly armored, with breast plates.

HEADS-
Scorpions- Mandiblasters
Banshees- Sonic emitters and that magnificent hair.

ARMS-
Scorpions- Defensive and idle poses.
Banshees- Attacking poses.

A dual kit has to restrict bits so that only one option can be made. Banshees and Scorpions are modelled too differently to make that possible.

I agree with you, Verviedi.

 Squidmanlolz wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Squidmanlolz wrote:
Banshees are an all female aspect though. Or was that a joke I didn't pick up on?

They're not. There are male Banshees and female Scorps, just that models don't show that. If they were remade in plastic I'm sure that they'd end up being like the DE/Wych and even Guardian kits, with a mix of both.

I don't have my GF's copy of the codex on me, but both the 40k wiki and Lexicanum confirm that the banshees are an all-female aspect, fluff-wise (I know it's linked to the Banshees' connection to matriarchal Iybraesil and Morai-Heg). I wouldn't doubt that GW would retcon that if they wanted to make a Banshees/Scorpion set.

In which case they are both wrong and yet another reason why those sites are not reliable sources of information.

A predominantly female Aspect, what these fierce warriors lack in brute strength they me up foreccison and efficiency.

p.32, last Eldar Codex

Most Howling Banshees are female, although any Warriors Aspects can be male or female.

p. 23, 2nd edition Eldar Codex

Predominantly or mostly is not the same as saying they are all female.

 Verviedi wrote:

Scorpions- Idle, crouching poses. Fits their theme of Stealth.
Banshees- Running poses. Fits their theme as a berserker aspect.

Won't really matter that much. The kit'll have 6 universal sets of legs. The poses won't matter that much.

 Verviedi wrote:
TORSOS-
Scorpions- Heavily armored, with that weird pattern on the backplate
Banshees- Thinly armored, with breast plates.

So... two different torsos per set of legs. Not exactly earth shattering.

 Verviedi wrote:
HEADS-
Scorpions- Mandiblasters
Banshees- Sonic emitters and that magnificent hair.

Kits already contain more heads than you can use, so how is this an issue?

 Verviedi wrote:
ARMS-
Scorpions- Defensive and idle poses.
Banshees- Attacking poses.

The new Skitarii kit contains two complete sets of arms for the two different weapon types that Vanguards and... whatever the other ones are called can have. Again, this realy isn't an issue.

 Verviedi wrote:
Banshees and Scorpions are modelled too differently to make that possible.

They really really aren't.

Just to put this arguement to rest, this is the dual kit I was thinking of

10 male shadow warriors


OR

10 female Sisters of Avelorn



A Scorp/Banshee Kit (or Dragon/Banshee, or Hawk/Banshee) would reuse legs with different torsos and heads.

Hoo, a new space marine codex already? I don't know how I feel about that...as it stands, I think the SM codex is one of the most diversely playable books out there.

If the rumors of the death of Finecast are true the Eldar might be hit the worst.

They'd need rangers and 5 different aspects at a minimum.

Plus Warlocks and Farseers.

GW might be able to do with 3 dual kits but that's still a lot.


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 Colpicklejar wrote:
Hoo, a new space marine codex already? I don't know how I feel about that...as it stands, I think the SM codex is one of the most diversely playable books out there.

Hoo a chance to milk everyone for $50 with minimal work? I know how I feel about that. As it stands I think GW has begun same shameless and desperate milking of a shrinking fanbase I see from DC and Marvel.

Campaigns, support for overlooked armies, non-codex army updates...if that's shameless and desperate then they can milk away as far as I'm concerned.

Maybe if Banshees get a shared box with mixed-gender bits, they'll finally lose their ridiculous belly button armour. Plus it's another vague step in the direction of more female presence beyond "that one all-girl unit".

That said, I'd see Scorpions fitting better as a dual kit with Warp Spiders just because of the posing. Spiders would just need a helmet, their spinners, and their shell-backpack thing, plus whatever they decide for the Exarch. It would be great if they still decided to add female bodies even without it being a shared kit with Banshees (spoilers: they wouldn't). It also means that both the arachnid-named Aspects are in the same box. This pleases me.

I'm not really sure what would go best with Banshees. Maybe Swooping Hawks? Jump Infantry tend to be in athletic poses, so that works well. They'd only need different weapons, heads, and ports on their backs to fit wings. Obviously some additional specific embellishments would be nice, too. I just hope they'd look better than the latest Harlequin poses.

I'm not sure how I feel about Fire Dragons being combined with Dark Reapers. I know that they both have heavy armour, but I prefer the look of the Fire Dragons in that their armour doesn't actually look heavy (probably because the models predate the rules giving them heavy Aspect Armour). It's very Eldar. I'd prefer slimmer Dark Reapers than thicker Fire Dragons.

Also, I noticed there's a funny amount of alliteration in my proposed dual-kits if you swap the name parts around; Howling Hawks, Dark Dragons and Striking Spiders (leaving Fire Reapers, Swooping Banshees and Warp Scorpions).

The absolute most important detail of this release, whenever it happens, is the scaling. The Skitarii models are nicely-proportioned (their heads, hands and feet are not three times the size they should be), so I'm cautiously optimistic about future releases. "Heroic scale" is the number one reason why I haven't collected a large Eldar army by now (all of my Eldar models are vehicles or Wraiths).

Now I want a unit of Warp Scorpions!

What I find amusing is many people, not so much in this thread but elsewhere, saying "Oh, this will rebalance the Eldar into something more reasonable; makes sense with SM and Tau also in the works; they can nerf their overperforming units."

I might have agreed with you at one point.

but then Necrons happened.

 MajorStoffer wrote:
What I find amusing is many people, not so much in this thread but elsewhere, saying "Oh, this will rebalance the Eldar into something more reasonable; makes sense with SM and Tau also in the works; they can nerf their overperforming units."

I might have agreed with you at one point.

but then Necrons happened.

yeah Necrons are a definate odd duck among the current 7th edition 'dexes. the best I can figure most of the 7th ed 'dexes where done cause they had to be done, while 'crons was a "labor of love"

 Frozen Ocean wrote:
Maybe if Banshees get a shared box with mixed-gender bits, they'll finally lose their ridiculous belly button armour. Plus it's another vague step in the direction of more female presence beyond "that one all-girl unit".

That said, I'd see Scorpions fitting better as a dual kit with Warp Spiders just because of the posing. Spiders would just need a helmet, their spinners, and their shell-backpack thing, plus whatever they decide for the Exarch. It would be great if they still decided to add female bodies even without it being a shared kit with Banshees (spoilers: they wouldn't). It also means that both the arachnid-named Aspects are in the same box. This pleases me.

I'm not really sure what would go best with Banshees. Maybe Swooping Hawks? Jump Infantry tend to be in athletic poses, so that works well. They'd only need different weapons, heads, and ports on their backs to fit wings. Obviously some additional specific embellishments would be nice, too. I just hope they'd look better than the latest Harlequin poses.

I'm not sure how I feel about Fire Dragons being combined with Dark Reapers. I know that they both have heavy armour, but I prefer the look of the Fire Dragons in that their armour doesn't actually look heavy (probably because the models predate the rules giving them heavy Aspect Armour). It's very Eldar. I'd prefer slimmer Dark Reapers than thicker Fire Dragons.

Also, I noticed there's a funny amount of alliteration in my proposed dual-kits if you swap the name parts around; Howling Hawks, Dark Dragons and Striking Spiders (leaving Fire Reapers, Swooping Banshees and Warp Scorpions).

The absolute most important detail of this release, whenever it happens, is the scaling. The Skitarii models are nicely-proportioned (their heads, hands and feet are not three times the size they should be), so I'm cautiously optimistic about future releases. "Heroic scale" is the number one reason why I haven't collected a large Eldar army by now (all of my Eldar models are vehicles or Wraiths).

Not that I care one bit about female models at all...

But the harlequins come with almost 50% female bits. Its actually a pain for me because I have to highlight boobs somehow but if you want female models, the eldar are likely to get them just like the harlequins. I would prefer it came with torsos for all of each gender instead though.

I agree on the heroic scale though, I didnt think the harleuins had meaty hands either, but I have to compare it to true scale models yet.

All I want in an update is a plastic boxed autarch similar to the marine commander or chaos marine lord, all the options and pose as you like. Also new plastic jetbikes, anything else is a bonus, I'd like to see new reapers, I despise the current sculpt and refuse to buy them.

 daemonish wrote:
All I want in an update is a plastic boxed autarch similar to the marine captain or chaos marine lord, all the options and pose as you like. Also new plastic jetbikes, anything else is a bonus, I'd like to see new reapers, I despise the current sculpt and refuse to buy them.

sadly I think GW's moving to monopose with their new character minis :(

Wouldn't Hawks/Banshees make more sense? They both wear light armour and both make sense standing on tiptoe.

Could it be with new jet bikes that we are getting a supplement Codex Saim Hann?

Codex: Jetbike Where eldar get the same old model but nice a nice increase in price due to the new special rules nobody asked. I'm dying to have jetbikes with fleet and relentless.

M.

They release new Jetbikes and Vypers and give us Codex: Eldar - Saim Hann, a book with no HQ choice and lots of formations.

 daemonish wrote:
All I want in an update is a plastic boxed autarch similar to the marine commander or chaos marine lord...

That'd be the logical thing to do, to put out a:

1. Eldar Autarch
2. Ork Warboss
3. Crisis Commander
4. Dark Eldar Archon

... plastic kit, filled with all the options.

But no. We'll get a mono-pose clampack that represents one of the options, and that'll be it.

Gw got a real dilemma with the aspects.
So many iconic units to make in plastic, and so few of them have attractive rules.
A huge aspect release would probably have a hard time finding buyers.
The general player would perhaps buy one or two different aspects (best rules and best looking). Leaving lots of boxes on the shelfs.
They would have to dual kit the aspects so the most popular aspects dont share kits.
Question is who is more popular? I would say firedragons and warpspiders are most useful, while banshees an scorps are more iconic cool.

Lords of wargaming have deleted their posts, so there is now no source for these rumors.

Mymearan wrote:
Lords of wargaming have deleted their posts, so there is now no source for these rumors.

If they found out their source was bad they would've said as much in taking the rumor down.

The rumor going "poof" feels like GW legal attack non-sense... which would almost be a tacit confirmation that they were too true for comfort.