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**SGTPozy**

I'm not sure how I could put it without it coming off as racist :L

**Eadartri**

Tau based on the modern USA...an interesting comparison. Have to think about that.

Another thing that annoys me is having purchased so many army books for the same army in my lifetime.

**lord general**

I don't like kill points. I much prefer old victory points. You're telling me killing a rhino is worth the same as killing a land raider? No, it should be based on unit cost like it used to.

**vipoid**

Raven Cowl wrote:
I play DE. No good Unique HQs, few options against vehicles, feeling like my codex is a supplement for the Craftworld Eldar.

This.

Also:

1) I dislike that a 10pt Lhamaean is the best HQ in my book, and that 90% of wargear spent on other HQs is just throwing good points after bad.

2) Fliers do not belong in a game of this scale. Nor did their rules need to be written by a hamster.

3) Dreadknights, Imperial Knights, Riptides, Wraithknights, Gargantuan creatures and Super-Heavies do not belong in a game of this scale either. Not only that, but Super-Heavies/IKs are practically the definition of boring units, and the others are walkers which are somehow classified as MCs.

4) Daemonkin stole my army's Power from Pain rule. I'd like it back, please.

5) Random tables, more random tables, yet more random table, random victory points. In the unlikely event that a match isn't decided at the list-building stage, you might as well just flip a coin over who wins.

6) Many matches decided during the list-building stage.

7) The wound allocation rules need to drink some paint and die.

8) I used to like Phil Kelly and think he was one of the better authors (not that the bar was set very high to begin with), but it's like he's gradually being possessed by the Spirit of Crap Game Balance.

9) Looking at a new codex and thinking "wow, I wish they'd put that kind of effort into mine".

10) You can't shoot blasts or templates at invisible units, because God forbid anything in this game makes the slightest bit of sense.

11) I can't shoot that Wraithknight because it's in combat, and I might hit the guardsmen that come up to its shins.

12) I can't shoot that wraithknight because it's in combat with those termagants that reach its feet. And, the Hive Mind loves each and every termagant so much that it can't stomach the idea of risking harming even a single one.

13) Combat is such a rules black hole that it might as well be taking place in a pocket dimension, FF style.

14) The fact that I actually have to choose between 'units that I want to use' and 'units that will actually achieve something'.

15) The fact that GW charges excessive prices for rules that basically need to be completely rewritten in order to be functional.

**MarsNZ**

Armoured Ceramite. Maybe it's just the language used but it just grinds my gears that this even exists. Ceramite is used for armour for all sorts of applications across the imperium, going by the entomology I would guess it's extremely resistant to heat. But wait! FW needed a rule to get people buying the latest kit. So here's some ceramite armour to better armour your ceramite. Yo dawg, etc.

**Rippy**

Chute82 wrote:
1) the rules...
2) the cost
3 the balance of the game
4) special rule on top of special rule
5) horrible for pick up games
6) horrible for tournament play
7) did I mention the cost?
8) cutting content out of codex just to charge you another $50
9) GW the company enough said
10) random random random everything

I don't like My Little Pony. You don't see me going on to a my little pony forum and telling everyone there I don't like everything about it. Because they wouldn't care, and it isn't constructive, and if I don't like a theme or genre then I just ignore it and move on with my life.

**amanita**

Rippy wrote:
Chute82 wrote:
1) the rules...
2) the cost
3 the balance of the game
4) special rule on top of special rule
5) horrible for pick up games
6) horrible for tournament play
7) did I mention the cost?
8) cutting content out of codex just to charge you another $50
9) GW the company enough said
10) random random random everything

I don't like My Little Pony. You don't see me going on to a my little pony forum and telling everyone there I don't like everything about it. Because they wouldn't care, and it isn't constructive, and if I don't like a theme or genre then I just ignore it and move on with my life.

Apologists for GW.

**Happyjew**

People who complain about a codex based on leaked images and rumours.

**MWHistorian**

Happyjew wrote:
People who complain about a codex based on leaked images and rumours.

people that defend an obviously broken codecx after its already neen leaked.

**vipoid**

The 'no escape' rule.

Not only because it was such an unnecessary nerf, but because it's called 'no escape'.

What do you mean 'no escape'? My vehicles don't even have tops.

**jreilly89**

vipoid wrote:
The 'no escape' rule.

Not only because it was such an unnecessary nerf, but because it's called 'no escape'.

What do you mean 'no escape'? My vehicles don't even have tops.

I think that's the point. If I roast your entire vehicle with flames, where are you gonna go? I could say maybe letting them do an emergency disembark to avoid it, but seriously. If I fill your vehicle with fire, you're screwed.

**vipoid**

But then why are closed-top vehicles somehow immune?

Their passengers would be boiled alive.

**MWHistorian**

vipoid wrote:
But then why are closed-top vehkicles somehow immune?

Their passengers would be boiled alive.

it would take a heck of a lot to heat up a heat resistant tank enough to kill the crew.

**jreilly89**

MWHistorian wrote:
vipoid wrote:
But then why are closed-top vehkicles somehow immune?

Their passengers would be boiled alive.
it would take a heck of a lot to heat up a heat resistant tank enough to kill the crew.

Yeah. I'm not burning your vehicle, I'm literally just filling the transport space with fire, ala what the flamethrowers did to bunkers in WW2. They didn't hurt the bunkers, just torched the guys inside.

**Rippy**

Little things that annoy me in 40k?
Squats

**Ashiraya**

My CSM's chance of victory.

**FakeBritishPerson**

If there is one little thing that bugs me, It's really Dark Vengeance. It's an awful starter set, why did they have to use it for two editions, why couldn't they make Stormclaw the starter set? It was great, and I'm kicking myself for not getting it, Orks and Space Wolves make for a cool fight.

**Rippy**

FakeBritishPerson wrote:
If there is one little thing that bugs me, It's really Dark Vengeance. It's an awful starter set, why did they have to use it for two editions, why couldn't they make Stormclaw the starter set? It was great, and I'm kicking myself for not getting it, Orks and Space Wolves make for a cool fight.

This is very subjective. If you don't the factions, you won't like the starter set.

**FakeBritishPerson**

Rippy wrote:
FakeBritishPerson wrote:
If there is one little thing that bugs me, It's really Dark Vengeance. It's an awful starter set, why did they have to use it for two editions, why couldn't they make Stormclaw the starter set? It was great, and I'm kicking myself for not getting it, Orks and Space Wolves make for a cool fight.

This is very subjective. If you don't the factions, you won't like the starter set.

Well, look at what's in the set. Chaos chosen really aren't a great unit, they feel overcosted to me, and the stock hellbrute is just okay, the chaos Lord is cool, and the cultists are useful. Then you get Deathwing and Ravenwing, both I find to be annoying and overcost for what they give you, the librarian is a cool model and useful, the captain is okay, I like the model enough, and the Tac squad is meh IMO. Plasma pistols on sergeants don't feel worth it, the plasma gun is good, but the plasma cannon is just not good. Is that a bit of a better explanation on why I don't think it's a good starter set?

**Veteran Sergeant**

Grey Knight Janitor wrote:11) Scout Marines: In every single army in history, scouting has been a specialist job. Always elite. Why do marines start there, it makes no sense.

For the Space Marines, it makes sense. A Space Marine Scout has already been training for a decade by the time he is a Scout. But Space Marines aren't a conventional force. Scouts are picking out targets for an even more elite direct action force to hit.

When your whole army is elite, being elite isn't a distinguishing identifier in and of itself. Space Marines don't (and wouldn't) sneak around much, despite the sillier Raven Guard fluff out there. They're 7-7.5 feet tall and encased in powered armor. They weigh several hundred pounds and use miniature rocket rifles as their basic armament. And they're biologically engineered for all of those purposes. And because of that, it makes sense to give the least dangerous job (scouting) to your least experienced troops who aren't yet finished with that bio-engineering process (and thus can't do the heavy lifting work). It gives them valuable combat experience, provides reconnaissance and saves your limited strike assets for the actual sstriking.

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BrianDavion wrote:
SGTPozy wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
Co'tor Shas wrote:
I think it might be on purporse with tau. They aren't supposed to be nice. In any other setting they would be the bad guys.

yeah pretty much this re Tau and Colonialism. none of the faction in 40k are supposed to be nice guys. Honestly the comparison of Tau to the worst of European Colonialism makes for an intreasting argument when people say they're too nice
I'm pretty sure that the Tau are based on modern day USA.
... And I'm pretty sure you're wrong. they don't really have much in common with the USA

They don't. That's his snide Eurocentrism forgetting that colonialism at the end of a gun/sword/spear has pretty much colored their entire history. But, but, Iraq. Or something. Except the Tau fluff predates 9/11. Maybe it's because Vietnam. Wait, no, that was a French colony first.

The Tau, like most things in 40K, are a blend of historical and science fiction references. Their society is based on British author Aldous Huxley's novel (which was in turn based on the Indian castes), and their aggressive empire-building could be... well, just about any empire in the entirety of history which enjoyed a technological superiority. So, most of them. In fact, there's basically nothing about the Tau that is singularly "American" unless your knowledge of history is fairly minimal.

**bibotot**

BrianDavion wrote:
SGTPozy wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
Co'tor Shas wrote:
I think it might be on purporse with tau. They aren't supposed to be nice. In any other setting they would be the bad guys.

yeah pretty much this re Tau and Colonialism. none of the faction in 40k are supposed to be nice guys. Honestly the comparison of Tau to the worst of European Colonialism makes for an intreasting argument when people say they're too nice

I'm pretty sure that the Tau are based on modern day USA.

... And I'm pretty sure you're wrong. they don't really have much in common with the USA

I am pretty sure if Barrack Obama wants someone to kill himself and his family for no reason, he would refuse. No Tau can do so when an Ethereal has given the order. The Ethereals are more like Communists in China. But Tau society, admittedly, bears a lot of resemblance to modern day USA.

**the_Armyman**

1. The Psychic Phase
2. The 1 in 6 chance to fail something critical.
3. Random tables.

There's plenty more, but those are fresh on my mind after last night's butt-whoopin'

**niv-mizzet**

Random assault range. Stupidest rule in the game.

**the_Armyman**

niv-mizzet wrote:
Random assault range. Stupidest rule in the game.

You don't think it's hilarious when your assault units trip over a stick and flub a 6" charge? You're obviously not Forging the Narrative hard enough, son.

**lustigjh**

vipoid wrote:
9) Looking at a new codex and thinking "wow, I wish they'd put that kind of effort into mine".

You know, that really hit close to home. I didn't realize until now but I think that's the worst part about the recent Decuricrons and Scatbikes debacles. It's feeling like I'm considered a second class citizen by GW because I like Dark Eldar and Khorne Daemons better than their apparent poster boy armies. It's the false hope of "maybe my army is finally getting the same attention as everyone else's" then seeing everyone else just get buffed to crap with no hope of seeing any similar improvements for years to come.

**vipoid**

Indeed.

Although, it's not just about buffs (though some would be nice...), it's about general effort and imagination.

e.g. Power from Pain got turned from an interesting and involving casualty-counting mechanic to a dull table with no involvement or interaction whatsoever. But wait - some units get to add 1 to the table. I think I'm about to have a heart-attack from all this excitement.

Well, whatever, I thought. I guess casualty-counting mechanics are just too complicated for GW's new streamlined codex design.

Oh, codex Daemonkin got a casualty-counting mechanic. And it's really fun and involving and all those other things Power from Pain should have been.

No, don't worry GW - I didn't want any interesting mechanics in *my* codex. Just put them in everyone else's and I'll make do with Captain Bland's Monotonous Edition.

**Captyn_Bob**

ok, its quite new, but this one little thing annoys me everytime I read t.

In the description of how to use the Decurion style formation detachments,you are told that organising your models into detachments is "a fun process in its own right"

BS. messing about with formations is completely not fun. Arbitrarily not being able to take certain units because they aren't included, and being forced to take units you don't want to take because they are included - is not fun! Its a cheap ploy to make you buy more units.

**EVIL INC**

Whiney players that dont even play the game who spam any forum dedicated to the game they can scour the internet for in order to complain in an effort to ruin the game for others so they can feel better about themselves. None on THIS site o course. lol

**jreilly89**

GW apologists. I love 40k, it's a freakin' blast, but there are a lot of things I would change, starting with the price of the models

**Alpharius**

EVIL INC wrote:
Whiney players that dont even play the game who spam any forum dedicated to the game they can scour the internet for in order to complain in an effort to ruin the game for others so they can feel better about themselves. None on THIS site o course. lol

FYI - Adding "LOL" to things doesn't make the less rude.