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You don't see me war machine threads telling every one who will listen that the game is rubbish, because I don't play the game so that would be aggressively ignorant trolling.

Well no we don't, because Warmachine is a far superior game

I used to play the game, and I still follow the game, and I still enjoy discussing the game, so I'm going to continue doing so because posting negative things about the game is not breaking any forum rules.

 Boniface wrote:
So we've had the rules well and truly leaked now.

It's just nonsense and I don't want to continue to support a game this badly made.

Does anyone else want to rage quit with me?

How much can I reasonably put my Tau up on eBay for?
I have a partial army in Farsight enclave paint
I have 24 firewarriors 2 painted, some partially, all basecoated
10 pathfinders painted
3 broadsides (HYMP, SMS) 1 painted
Devilfish basecoated
Skyray/Hammerhead basecoated
3 crisis suits basecoated
Farsight Partially

Boniface we should just hold onto our stuff. Simple as that, take a hiatus.

If we ever get the urge to paint again we can just strip our stuff.

I could never bring myself to rage quit. I just simply stopped buying stuff when the desire to collect an army dropped too low, which was a while ago now. I still have my nids which I don't intend to sell and a bunch of pieces of other armies I don't intend to finish.

I occasionally buy stuff just for the sake of painting it, but that's only like 2 or 3 kits per year.

It's hard to rage quit when much of your enthusiasm for the game has been slowly drained by years of poor management from GW.

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I personally don't want to rage quit, as after my Necron codex released, I've already spent a ton more money on expanding my collection (and there's still more stuff I want). However, I'm seriously considering not buying anymore models. I don't want to support a company that blatantly doesn't care about the game they produce, only selling models. I know this has been the case for awhile, but this codex release is atrocious. I can hardly find anything that resembles even the slightest hint of game balance.

That being said, I've come to love 40k recently more so then ever, and I've played highly casual games with non-competitive lists against some buds of mine. However, my Eldar friend can't even field the stuff he likes anymore, and if I ever play him, I'd have to bring my A-game just to stay on the table, which isn't what I'm looking to do most of the time.

I seriously feel bad for people who have Space Wolves, Blood Angels, Dark Eldar, Orks, and the like. Their codexes seemed decently balanced, and they were following new trends set forth by 7th edition (Lack or 'take X as a troop instead' options, ext). Their codexes didn't receive anywhere near this amount of love, and lot of their stuff is lacking in both fluff/power. I also feel bad playing Necrons sometimes, which is why I prefer to stay to footflog lists with Ctans shards and some Deathmarks and Flayed ones thrown in for fun. But the Eldar book is leagues beyond even Necrons. Hell, I was considering starting up Eldar (I mainly wanted to paint a Wraithknight and some grav tanks) but now that's not even going to happen. But more importantly, I feel bad for Eldar players.

Will I rage quit? Almost absolutely not. Will I play Eldar? It highly, highly depends on their list. Will I join my friendly local gaming leagues or tournaments? I would have said yes, but pickup games and leagues are all but killed for me now.

stopcallingmechief wrote:

Sunhero wrote:
Sweet can all the people that have quit 40k stop posting in the 40k part of the fourm that is the very definition of trolling.
Your only posts are about your dislike of the game and its just not productive.

well said. Im at the point now where im just going through the dozen eldar tears threads and ignoring everybody who is willing to quit the game over a not yet released codex. If your a quiter, i dont need or care to hear your opinions on this or any topic

Oh, my god. How hard is it to understand that people who will seriously leave the game won't do it just because of this one codex. It's a final straw type thing. When the game gets more and more unbalanced with every release while prices are as high as they are there's going to be a breaking point for people. For some people this is it.

And dismissing people's opinions on this or any topic because they stopped playing a game is frankly absurd. As if you've never quit anything in your life for some reason or other. People quit things all the time for perfectly legit reasons, it doesn't diminish their opinion in any way.

Don't worry ImAGeek - that is coming from a user who's response to something he doesn't agree with is to get overly angry and insult people. You should see him on the thread I made about jetbikes and knights - his behaviour and attitude is disgusting. You can't reason with people who let their anger lead them. It's ironic however that such people come onto a thread about rage quitting and state that they don't want to hear your opinion on rage quitting - it makes you wonder why they visited the thread in the first place.
These people are unwilling to debate on this - and before they can be accused of being narrow minded they try and pin that on the very people who's opinions they are unwilling to consider. It's a clever tactic tbf.
I'm suprised after the amount of abuse a very few users have given a great many of us for merely stating our opinions and wanting to discuss it, the mods have warned them just once in one thread (afaik). They are usually very good at stoping insulting behaviour, but their abuse has continued for days now.

I'm just going to let it be water off a ducks back myself, such people are impossible to reason with. I just have an image of Yoda - 'the anger is strong in this one'. It makes me chuckle and any negative emmotions these people have managed to instill just evaporates.

Eldar are stupidly OP, but Tau are fine? Nice justifications there.

The game is good for friendly games, one op codex not change that. This is hard for them who plays tournaments. In friendly games we can give eldar to less point to use.

 Draco wrote:
The game is good for friendly games, one op codex not change that. This is hard for them who plays tournaments. In friendly games we can give eldar to less point to use.

Shouldn't need to do that though. The fact that you have to balance the game yourself is part of why a lot of people leave, I imagine.

I'm not looking to quit. i am looking forward to a challenge. just because my old tactics may not work does not mean i am unable to try new ones.
To those who quiI hope you enjoy whatever game you go to and are able to find forums dedicated to them.

 EVIL INC wrote:
I'm not looking to quit. i am looking forward to a challenge. just because my old tactics may not work does not mean i am unable to try new ones.
To those who quiI hope you enjoy whatever game you go to and are able to find forums dedicated to them.

You are right sir. My "intercepting deep strikers" Deathmarks that still wound Wraithknights on 2s when they came in just got a lot better against Eldar. However, I don't want to feel like I have to bring 2 squads of 10 in every game.

 EVIL INC wrote:
I'm not looking to quit. i am looking forward to a challenge. just because my old tactics may not work does not mean i am unable to try new ones.
To those who quiI hope you enjoy whatever game you go to and are able to find forums dedicated to them.

Or just use this one because there's boards on here for lots of different games...

And don't feel the need to stop discussing 40k just because people can't bear to hear negativity about the game. It's your forum as much as theirs my friend.

I love these threads, it just proves GW will win because over half of their player base

1) won't stand up to GW stepping on them

2) take whatever GW shoves down their throats

3) against all logic continue to defend the company after years of abuse.


It's alike an abused daughter defending her dad from a sentence because "its her had and she loves him"

 raiden wrote:
I love these threads, it just proves GW will win because over half of their player base

1) won't stand up to GW stepping on them

2) take whatever GW shoves down their throats

3) against all logic continue to defend the company after years of abuse.


It's alike an abused daughter defending her dad from a sentence because "its her had and she loves him"

That's BS. There's at least eight threads here on Dakka that are devoted solely to raging at the latest Eldar codex, including this one. People are upset, and many intend to take some small action to counter this move by GW. The problem is that in the end, GW does not listen, and it leaves people who enjoy their game left hanging to dry.

Before you call me some kind of apologist, check my posting history. I have been in denial and been angry about the new Eldar. The thing is, I've moved on to acceptance. I'm trying to find a solution to this situation, because I'm not going to stop playing the game I enjoy with my favorite army.

I think that the OP has every right to be angry about the new changes, but might want to step back and examine why they feel that anger.

 krodarklorr wrote:

You are right sir. My "intercepting deep strikers" Deathmarks that still wound Wraithknights on 2s when they came in just got a lot better against Eldar. However, I don't want to feel like I have to bring 2 squads of 10 in every game.

People will argue with you over that, though. Even with HFH their weapons have the sniper rule and GMC says all weapons with the sniper rule need a 6.
Not going to derail the thread by debating, just pointing out you should be prepared for players to argue against it.

@Poly RangerMade I have never been warned in any thread.
if you would like to give an exmple of be being "disguting" ?

Chad Warden wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:

You are right sir. My "intercepting deep strikers" Deathmarks that still wound Wraithknights on 2s when they came in just got a lot better against Eldar. However, I don't want to feel like I have to bring 2 squads of 10 in every game.

People will argue with you over that, though. Even with HFH their weapons have the sniper rule and GMC says all weapons with the sniper rule need a 6.
Not going to derail the thread by debating, just pointing out you should be prepared for players to argue against it.

Codex trumps rulebook. Also, I won't be playing pickup games anymore, mainly because of Eldar. So I won't run into those players, plus, if they debate that and their playing Eldar, they're not the kind of person you want to play against. Problem solved.

Back on topic. A lot of people aren't going to rage quit, I see no reason to. I just feel as though I should pretend Eldar don't exist anymore. Nothing to see here, move on to your casual games.

 TheNewBlood wrote:

 raiden wrote:
I love these threads, it just proves GW will win because over half of their player base

1) won't stand up to GW stepping on them

2) take whatever GW shoves down their throats

3) against all logic continue to defend the company after years of abuse.


It's alike an abused daughter defending her dad from a sentence because "its her had and she loves him"

That's BS. There's at least eight threads here on Dakka that are devoted solely to raging at the latest Eldar codex, including this one. People are upset, and many intend to take some small action to counter this move by GW. The problem is that in the end, GW does not listen, and it leaves people who enjoy their game left hanging to dry.

Before you call me some kind of apologist, check my posting history. I have been in denial and been angry about the new Eldar. The thing is, I've moved on to acceptance. I'm trying to find a solution to this situation, because I'm not going to stop playing the game I enjoy with my favorite army.

I think that the OP has every right to be angry about the new changes, but might want to step back and examine why they feel that anger.

No, the problem is not enough will. If the players made a loud enough noise, even GW would have to listen. But, with only half the players pissed off, 1/4 just not caring and another 1/4 defending them to the last man its not going to work.

I've refused to buy the New Dark Eldar codex due to them killing off named characters and making it a 'freak-show' centred around the Covens.

No one is bothered by that.

I suggest people ignore the new Eldar codex and continue to use a previous edition - it'll save money and dignity.


Maybe GW *may* realise that people are starting to do this, but it's a long shot.

 Wulfmar wrote:
I've refused to buy the New Dark Eldar codex due to them killing off named characters and making it a 'freak-show' centred around the Covens.

No one is bothered by that.

I suggest people ignore the new Eldar codex and continue to use a previous edition - it'll save money and dignity.


Maybe GW *may* realise that people are starting to do this, but it's a long shot.

I'm upset personally at the Dark Eldar codex (And I could care less about Dark Eldar as a faction). They could've done so much more with that book, but instead we got it's current iteration. Units don't fit the fluff, not by a longshot. And yet, Eldar are here.....

 raiden wrote:

 TheNewBlood wrote:

 raiden wrote:
I love these threads, it just proves GW will win because over half of their player base

1) won't stand up to GW stepping on them

2) take whatever GW shoves down their throats

3) against all logic continue to defend the company after years of abuse.


It's alike an abused daughter defending her dad from a sentence because "its her had and she loves him"

That's BS. There's at least eight threads here on Dakka that are devoted solely to raging at the latest Eldar codex, including this one. People are upset, and many intend to take some small action to counter this move by GW. The problem is that in the end, GW does not listen, and it leaves people who enjoy their game left hanging to dry.

Before you call me some kind of apologist, check my posting history. I have been in denial and been angry about the new Eldar. The thing is, I've moved on to acceptance. I'm trying to find a solution to this situation, because I'm not going to stop playing the game I enjoy with my favorite army.

I think that the OP has every right to be angry about the new changes, but might want to step back and examine why they feel that anger.

No, the problem is not enough will. If the players made a loud enough noise, even GW would have to listen. But, with only half the players pissed off, 1/4 just not caring and another 1/4 defending them to the last man its not going to work.

Except people HAVE tried to make GW listen. Petitions, stores themselves approaching GW, tournies and TOs, plenty of people have tried to talk to GW. GW has just reaffirmed that they are a toy company first and a game company second, if at all. GW obviously does not care about a) balance, effectiveness or anything of the competitive nature, b) making money and smart business moves, ala shutting down a lot of stores and vendors and c) what their customers think.

I ragequit after few games of 7th edition. It felt quite liberating. A week ago I wanted to go back for the sake of the old times , but then the rumors of the eldar codex appeared. Now I am not so sure that I want to burn 600-800 bucks for a game with a completely messed up balance. I still like some of the models, most of the fluff and the epic feel it has, but for this amount of money I can buy a whole new faction for Malifaux or Infinity. Yes, they are low model count skirmish games, but that doesn't mean that they are less fun. In the end ,gameplay is what matters to me the most and GW fails to deliver again. Why am I writing this? Because I am frustrated. I want to like the game, but GW's absurd decisions keeps on turning me off again and again. Fooled me once..... No amount of "accept the challenge scrub" , "It has always beеn broken" and "use house rules" can make me feel any less frustrated, because I am seeing the total destruction of an IP that I used to love passionately. I cannot support that. At least I can voice my frustration.

I personally don't advocate "rage-quits"

Simply don't support the company anymore, but selling things off because GW is incompetent isn't the healthy reaction - you will regret it later.

I fully intend on no longer contributing to 40k anymore, but that has less to do with the Eldar codex as it stands on its own, but what it means for GW's model at present: increasingly extreme imbalance, lack of coherent design or direction, massive imbalance in the quality of army updates in terms of variation, internal balance and so on, and the massive upswing in book release cycle, and increased book prices.

They're doing nothing to convince me continued investment is wise on any front - rules, production quality, cost, even the fluff as of late is total garbage, but I'm not about to ditch a respectable DKOK army, my converted and FW'd Minotaurs, my aftermarket Praetorian IG or the smattering of other models/nebulous army ideas. I still love the setting, enjoy most of the models, I will simply find another avenue for my hobby which doesn't reward GW prime.

For me, I'm moving over to 30k. Yeah, it's still GW, but as revenue is tracked seperately, GW will see me contributing the side of the company that does solid playtesting, communicates to their community, offers real bundle savings which are regularly updated, offer more mature books in tone and content, and has a keen eye to making balance, theme and diversity the order of the day, from multiple ways to play the game (Necromunda-esque "Victory is Vengeance," attack/defend smaller scale "Raid" mission sets, various campaign sets, "Legendary Missions) to all sorts of army/FOC variants, where everything is viable. When designing a 30k army the challenge is sticking with one direction because everything is awesome.

More expensive models? Absolutely (the troops horrifically so, but if you're willing to consider non-FW alternatives and counts-as it helps a lot) but I'm willing to a premium on content just for it to not suck at this point. It's kind of exploded, in fact, in my group over the last few weeks - the previous total of 1 30k army has increased by 3, with 4 more working out the details on how they'd do it, to say nothing of Infinity, writing their own missions to try and alleviate problems and otherwise jumping ship in some capacity. No one is about to rage quit the hobby though.

there have been times when i just stopped playing. Several years one time. if something stops interesting you or you dont have fun, there is always the option of setting it aside. This is especially true when the object is evolving over time and is not static.
A "rage quit" is done in a highly emotional state where you are not thinking clearly. it is better to do it when you are calm and thinking clearly. I would suggest putting your stuff in storage. You may find you want to come back at a later time. If not, "it aint eatin no oats". lol

I think a lot of us just find it hard to just up and quit. How much money have we all spent? How much time and effort have we spent? We all love this game at its core, we just get a little upset when things go bad in the rules department . We all love the universe and the fluff. It's hard to just say no more of something you love

 Great White wrote:
I think a lot of us just find it hard to just up and quit. How much money have we all spent? How much time and effort have we spent? We all love this game at its core, we just get a little upset when things go bad in the rules department . We all love the universe and the fluff. It's hard to just say no more of something you love

Exactly. To me, it is not a purely black and white issue where you have to do an extreme action or take an extreme stance one way or the other.

 EVIL INC wrote:

 Great White wrote:
I think a lot of us just find it hard to just up and quit. How much money have we all spent? How much time and effort have we spent? We all love this game at its core, we just get a little upset when things go bad in the rules department . We all love the universe and the fluff. It's hard to just say no more of something you love

Exactly. To me, it is not a purely black and white issue where you have to do an extreme action or take an extreme stance one way or the other.

Yeah, I've personally calmed down a little since this release info. I've invested a ton into Necrons, and the new codex has amped me up to finally paint all my stuff. Heck, I finally finished my simple 6 man squad of Wraiths last night, and it's such an accomplishing feeling. My army as a whole is almost painted, and I wanted to try out a few new lists with new models (A second Monolith, more infantry, Cronair). I doubt I'll be investing a ton more into the game. and I most certainly won't expand my Tyranids until they get a new codex with rules worth a damn, and I won't be expanding into Eldar like I planned. But I'm with everyone when they say that we've invested a ton of time and money, and it's not really easy to up and quit. Keep playing the game, forge the narrative, enjoy your models. Heck, I've invested into a ton of terrain off of Ebay and got a F.A.T mat recently. I've played a couple 4000 point 2v2s on an awesome table, and man, it's intense. That's the great thing about the hobby.

 Great White wrote:
I think a lot of us just find it hard to just up and quit. How much money have we all spent? How much time and effort have we spent? We all love this game at its core, we just get a little upset when things go bad in the rules department . We all love the universe and the fluff. It's hard to just say no more of something you love

If you can't walk away then it is an addiction. The money is gone. Yeah you might get a quarter of it back if you really try hard, but is it worth it? I've traded, sold and thrown models away. The most liberating way to get rid of them is to simply throw them in the trash. The value of the model is in the painting, converting, and playing with them, not owning them.