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 kronk wrote:
Uh... How does that work?

Faith? (and Promethium)

The Illuminators- Sisters so pure that candles made from their ear wax or the fat from fallen sisters can unsommon greater deamons.

Of course, now that I have put the name out there, GW will rip-off the Tau markerlight system to make whatever super expensive new model, that shoots volcanic ordinance, sniper accurate.

 kronk wrote:
Whatever they do, remove the current armor look. I'd like to see something like this:

Edit: ZOMG! Huge picture!

Spoiler:

Dude those look awesome. They could use some more robe cloth near the shoulders to set them apart from space marines.

Honestly i would love to see some sniper units, a flyer unit, revamped AoF rules, some new heroes,and if nothing else i would like to see a second troop choice ( yeah they only have one troop choice, orks have more troop choices. Doesn't that just piss you off). And you know what ill go out on a limb and say when they SOB get rebooted there'll be an Order supplement.

And before somebody says "you should play SM". No. Ive played them i hate their fluff, And they have way too many codices (12 including chaos marines

Why not a heavy armor unit that belches flames every which way?

Like something with AV 13 or 14 on the front but far weaker side and rear armor with multiple heavy flamers or inferno cannons, or even Meltas



Idea:

Holy Flame Assault Tank (I dunno. something like that)

AV 14/11/11 or 13/12/11
HP 3
Tank

Weapons:

Turret Mounted Inferno Cannon or Melta Cannon (Like from the Hellhound/Devil Dog)

Sponson Heavy Flamers or upgrade to Multi Meltas

Hull mounted Heavy bolter. upgrade to again, melta and flamer.

Not sure the points...


Perhaps even a smaller version of the Malcador Infernus.

a giant flamethrower mounted in the hull of a Tank.

The hellstorm template having its range reduced so the small end of the template comes from the barrel of the weapon. But it would have fewer weapons and only mount the primary big flamer and perhaps a pintle mount.

 Melissia wrote:
I'd like to see Celestians restored to I4/WS4 and be given the opportunity to purchase Crusader gear (stormshield+powersword, basically) for the squad. It would add a lot, I feel, to the Sisters list.

WS4, okay. I4 is a bit OTT. Unless you wanna give Vanguard/Sternguard/Chosen I5. That would be fine with me.

Ooh, what about infantry with a nova shooting weapon? On fire with the flames of the emperor!

@Ashiraya

I would (obviously) be of the opinion of having Celestian and Seraphim with the following profile WS: 4,BS: 4, S: 3, T: 3, W: 1, I: 4, A: 2, Ld: 9, Sv: 3+/6++ They are the equivalent for SoB of the Vangard/Sternguard/Chosen. They have they same enhance training (but in a differen fashion) and combat experience.

Personnaly, I wouldn't change the stats of the marines ones because I think the average Sister is I 3, but nearly 4 while the average Space Marine is an average I 4 and the veteran nearly I 5 but not quite so. But, I would like the options for those Marines units to have some special rule that would help them offensively like prefered ennemy to represent their incredible knowledge of the ennemy or furious charge for Vanguard.

Celestians already have WS4. I use them with a Cannoness and a couple of Priests to tarpit stuff, since being able to re-roll their saves via War Hymns makes them surprisingly resilient in close combat. Give the Cannoness an Eviscerator so she can go to town on 2+ saves and you're good to go imo (as long as you can get them into CC).

I think Sisters just need some more fast moving units. Seraphim are fine (maybe lower the cost of their dual inferno pistols) but other than that the only things we have that can move more than 6" a turn are Vehicles. And they have inherit downsides when they do move at cruising speed. As far as 'heavier' vehicles go I think we're ok - not great but not bad either - with the Exorcist and Repressor. A new LoW Super-Heavy Cathedral Tank or something would be pretty sweet though.

In the hypothetical scenario where Sisters get re-vamped and all new plastic kits, I'd like to see Penitent Engines become similar to Maulerfiends or those new Skitarri walkers which get extra movement options. Repentia should also get some sort of movement buff, like adding extra movement distance - an interesting idea I had was to make their Act of Faith make them move like Beasts for the turn (12" Move, Move Through Cover, Fleet) - to represent their "maniacal fervour" as the codex puts it (also the Mistress' bigass whips!).

 ImAGeek wrote:
No that's not what I mean. I meant more like they didn't just take a Devestator squad but make it sisters instead of SM. Or, assault marines. Or... Whatever. Sisters have always seemed like that to me, you have the heavy weapons squad, the jet pack squad, the general squad... Id rather something different, whether it's 'freakshow' or not.

Seraphim may have jump pack, but they are really different from assault marines. They do not play the same, and they do not rely on the same archetype. Assault marines use their jumppack to violently enter melee. Seraphim use their for the huge mobility to boost their gunslinger talents.
I would be fine with Sisters on bike and sisters with heavy armor if they were made different from the SM bikes and terminators in the same way. After all, nobody is comparing swooping hawks or stormboyz to assault marines.


I want my “Relics of a saint, Grail-reliquary-style” tank (or just peon-mounted altar) !

Sisters in heavy armor and shield (2+) with power lance on bikes would be sweet.


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The old style shooty drop pods would be excellent as well as drop shrines.

You know i was thinking that a cool ability would be for the Sister Repentia to be able to charge out of a non open topped vehicles.
And also make AoF more like the IG orders phase and psychic phase mix.

Maybe a new heavy support like a land raider. on either side is a plasma cannon. and up front is a heavy flamer. (and once per game you can use the big flame template. the hellstorm template IIRC)

Actually, a lot of these -- even the crazier ones -- already have rules in [shameless self-promotion]my fandex/expandex[/shameless self-promotion]. Let's see now:

Purifier wrote:A penitent engine inside a larger penitent engine, swinging D-weapon flails consisting of heretics on ropes. The Penitentest Engine.

Try Penitent Titan. 775 points. Comes with Titanic Eviscerator. For 30 points you can upgrade with handholds for a squad of Repentia.

Co'tor Shas wrote:Hey, I have an idea for an SoB superheavy. A baneblade, but the main gun is a giant flamer, and all the HBs can be replaced with heavy flamers and multi-meltas. The SoB with call it the "Holy Burnerator 5000", and heritcs will call it "OH GOD THE FIRE! IT BURNS! HELP ME! AAAAAAAGH!"....

I call it the Flameblade. (Hey, it's a less random name than most of GW's superheavy tanks). Also the Fire Sword (giant melta gun) and Storm Queen (Stormlord with option to put a minaret in the troop bay).

Mr Morden wrote:We know from GW in Shield of Baal that they have air dropable cathedrals etc - be good to have a Lord of War unit along these lines / the famous pic of the tracked cathedral.

Battle Chapel. 3,000 points.

Wonderwolf wrote:Sniper-Flamers are a must!!

Spoiler:

Vigils come pretty close..... Sororitas Infiltrators who can take 4 special weapons per squad. They don't get Sniper but their AOF give sthem the pick of Precision Shots, Monster Hunter, or Tank Hunter.

Engine of War wrote:Why not a heavy armor unit that belches flames every which way?

Sororitas Predator Infernus.

GoonBandito wrote: I think Sisters just need some more fast moving units....

Thrones - Sororitas Bikers with AOF allowing a drive-by shooting (turbo-boost & shoot in same phase).
Lucifer Scout Tank (Hellbound/Devil Dog minus armor plus Scout).
Sororitas Valkyrie, Victoria, & Virago (Valk variants).

epronovost wrote:
I am with Melissia on that point. I would like to see new Repentia because they do belong to Sisters and give them a darker side, but I would especially like to see more actual true Sisters of Battle from the regular ones to stuff like close combat Celestian or Sisters on cybernetic warhorses. I would also like them to be little bit more assault base, but that's a personnal preference. I would like to see things like arco-flagelant and perhaps even Penitent Engins be relegated to an Inquisitorial codex with priests and confessors instead of adding them to Sisters. I did a fan made codex on dakka a few weeks ago, I did added a few new units to spice things up.

Cybernetic warhorse cavalry.

I like that!

I can never decide if cyborg/robot warhorses are silly or AWESOME.

 SisterSydney wrote:
I can never decide if cyborg/robot warhorses are silly or AWESOME.

They are both .

Looking at the Sisters I think they're lacking good fast units, BIkes, Robohorses, etc and Flyers.

While the Sisters could use all sorts of things, chiefly updated models, I do agree that their rules could use a bit of an expansion. And I do love the freakshow (I mean, really, half the reason I enjoy 40k is the twisted dark background lore...) the Sisters themselves deserve a good solid focus. Here are some ideas I can think of...

Psyker Hate: They hate the Witch and the Heretic, right? And while they do have Adamantium Will, I feel like they certainly could use a bit more oomph. (though this might also be me having a bit of concern over how hard it can be to dispel anything in the Psychic Phase...anyways!)

Have Sisters units (maybe just the Vets, maybe all, depending on balance) add X number of dice to the psychic phase for dispel only. Similar to Dwarf Runesmiths from Fantasy. This would not only help the army, but boost the idea of the Sister's Faith protecting them from the Warp and it's evils.

Heavy Sisters: The idea of Heavy/Centurian-esque sisters has already been mentioned here, so I'll just make this a chime in. Having a Sister of Battle (wo)manning a Baroque assault suit of sorts would be pretty awesome, like a Centurian with a freakin' Altar on top! Extra firepower, durability and firepower? Score.

More Assault: While the Sisters shouldn't be hard hitting like the Blood Angels by virtue of still being human (WS and such, that is fine). But, once again, their Faith could use to their advantage. A boost to Faith powers being more than just one shot effects AND being more proactive in killing enemies. A hammerhand like Faith Power could go well, or even just turning their Shield of Faith into a serious indestructible shield (+1 to armor? Feel no Pain? Higher Invul?), making them an unkillable tarpit. Just some ideas to make the inevitable combat from being close enough to Melta your face off a bit better.

Faith!: The big deal here. Right now, their Faith powers are nice, but rather flat. The abilities themselves are good, but the one shot nature and requirement of a Leadership test makes them...meh. Going back to a Faith Point system, with increased numbers, rewarding you for number of Sisters, and giving you one shot Faith Points when they die (so even if a squad is gunned down in the first turn they still give Faith points). This can also replace the Psychic Phase for them.

In addition to the system reboot, make the Faith rewards more universal. Rending is nice, how about a Faith power that gives the ENTIRE army that (just make sure it is expensive to warrant the power and boom, balance. Right, GW......right?) I just feel a Cannoness being the only one giving Hatred, or whatever, just feels off, and the bonuses should be an army thing, or at LEAST being able to spread it to where it's needed.

That, combined with a few great Plastic sisters kits, and I would die a happy believer.

@ the_scotsman

I like your more stuff from the dark age of technology thing. It makes sense. You could even have items confiscated from the hands of the Mechanicum by the Inquisition given to the Orders for safe keeping.

Also

Since they have better engineered bolters, how about melta bombs that can be thrown.

If/when Sisters get a new codex, there is defiantly work that should be done to expand the faction (in TT terms). So, some (somewhat random) ideas to follow:

Artificer Armour is somthing I think they should have greater access to, as, thematicly, expense is the primary hurdle there, and no one had money like the Ecclesiarchy. A Termie Equivalent unit with Artifice armour perhapes, or just more characters with access to it. Maybe you could give it to officers or bodyguards?

That drop-pod-chapel sounds awesome, it should be killy and also serve to buff those around it. Which leads me into another point: I think a good way to go with creating a unique mechanical feel for the army is to create some strong buffing units, lending to a sort-of centralised interdependence. Big flashy units/vehicles/characters that the 'lesser' units want to stay near for their 'inspiring' effects. Maybe make this buffing related to the Acts of Faith (which needs to be overhauled anyway).

hmmm.

They do certainly need some faster units, I do like the mech-cavalry idea (40K runs on silly/Awesome after all), and their current lack of anti air is really noticeable to me (even though I once downed a Valkyrie with bolters).

 Mr Morden wrote:
Novices would be a nice unit

I do like novices as a unit idea. & I've always liked the Crusaders from the Battle Conclave, making them an actual Adepta Sororitas Unit (female and with the appropriate style) rather than a Ecclesiarchy Unit would be something I'd be in favour of.

Would it be inappropriate for me to spruke some of my own creations at this point?

Wonderwolf wrote:
Sniper-Flamers are a must!!

Cant you ACTUALLY get that in deathwatch/killteam by being the weapon specialist?

commander dante wrote:

Wonderwolf wrote:
Sniper-Flamers are a must!!

Cant you ACTUALLY get that in deathwatch/killteam by being the weapon specialist?

They could actually make that into a unit. Make it where a battle sisters has a long range torrent weapon. GW if you're watching this please make it a thing

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
No that's not what I mean. I meant more like they didn't just take a Devestator squad but make it sisters instead of SM. Or, assault marines. Or... Whatever. Sisters have always seemed like that to me, you have the heavy weapons squad, the jet pack squad, the general squad... Id rather something different, whether it's 'freakshow' or not.

Seraphim may have jump pack, but they are really different from assault marines. They do not play the same, and they do not rely on the same archetype. Assault marines use their jumppack to violently enter melee. Seraphim use their for the huge mobility to boost their gunslinger talents.
I would be fine with Sisters on bike and sisters with heavy armor if they were made different from the SM bikes and terminators in the same way. After all, nobody is comparing swooping hawks or stormboyz to assault marines.


I want my “Relics of a saint, Grail-reliquary-style” tank (or just peon-mounted altar) !

That's all I was trying to say, that I want them to be different to the space marine stuff, and then people just jumped down my throat. Superficially they've just always seemed like SM with sisters models. That's all.

zeromaeus wrote:
I like the idea of robed Repentia. Blindfolded too, possibly. A kind of "I live or die purely by the will of the Emperor" kind of thing. Just a thought.

Blindfolded combat troops seem like a great way for some catastrophic blue on blue action. Yes sisters get acts of faith, but these are supposed to represent collective miracles, rather than giving widespread ESP to troops that have been convicted of crimes against the faith.

 Flinty wrote:

zeromaeus wrote:
I like the idea of robed Repentia. Blindfolded too, possibly. A kind of "I live or die purely by the will of the Emperor" kind of thing. Just a thought.

Blindfolded combat troops seem like a great way for some catastrophic blue on blue action. Yes sisters get acts of faith, but these are supposed to represent collective miracles, rather than giving widespread ESP to troops that have been convicted of crimes against the faith.

Indeed - a blindfolded, evicerator wielding Special character on the other hand..............

How about these ideas for Sisters units.

If we went with the idea that faith points be limited each turn, I'd propose a Battle Choir of sorts that buoys the morale and generates faith points with vox units and reliquaries.

I'd also have a drop/gun ship (ala the Stormraven) that has 2 hurricane bolters on swivel mounts on the wings and some missle along with some twin linked belly or nose gun. We could have it hold 20 sisters, a rhino, or 10 seraphim. We coudl call it the Angelis Principalis.

I had an idea for group of golden winged spirits that show up via deep strike in a similar vein to Legion of the Damned, but they would be more assault troops with some empheral flames and bolt rounds. basically I would have them with a god invuln save, ignores cover on their shootign attacks and rending on all of their attacks. I pulled the idea from the Dawn of War Soulstorm.

How about sisters that ride on Harry Potter like Nimbus 40K's and get jetbike rules?

 Captain Avatar wrote:
How about sisters that ride on Harry Potter like Nimbus 40K's and get jetbike rules?

No.

Should i post a picture if a skeleton with a caption of "Cause of death: Waiting for a SoB codex and plastic sisters"

commander dante wrote:
Should i post a picture if a skeleton with a caption of "Cause of death: Waiting for a SoB codex and plastic sisters"

No i think a better picture would be a pile of dust with the caption would be more akin to the current situation.

And i really like Andrewm9's of a vehicle carrying flyer is awesome. maybe there should be a special rule for it that allows it to drop the rhino while zooming at the risk of the rhino taking glancing hit.

 Madoch1 wrote:

commander dante wrote:
Should i post a picture if a skeleton with a caption of "Cause of death: Waiting for a SoB codex and plastic sisters"

No i think a better picture would be a pile of dust with the caption would be more akin to the current situation.

And i really like Andrewm9's of a vehicle carrying flyer is awesome. maybe there should be a special rule for it that allows it to drop the rhino while zooming at the risk of the rhino taking glancing hit.

Remember when we had those rumors earlier this year and everyone was Ron Paul "ITS HAPPENING" all over the place. We were fools. :(

Sisters would be the only models I would buy. (not direct from GW) I saw that exo-lord conversion and it looks good, but not quite there for me. I am fine with boob plate taking a hike, but the sisters do have a nice aesthetic otherwise. (also dump high heels those are so stupid) Those cool mallet helmets and the cross between medieval and sci fi is neat.

nedTCM wrote:
(also dump high heels those are so stupid)

There are no high heels except on that one illustration.