New to WM (very new...), some simple questions

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**Tamwulf**

jeratoll wrote:
Tamwulf wrote:
. I kinda disagree just because a good player with a lot of practice can make any unit shine.

That logic is flawed. Look at Will Pagani, in 2013 he won Warmachine Weekend with a list that contained a unit of Assault Kommandos, which see even less play than Man O Wars. Pagani won that event because he was a good player and had a strategy going into the event. It didn't suddenly make Assault Kommandos viable. Just because one of the best players in the game can make a unit work, doesn't mean that it's a unit that new players should use.

Isn't that what I said? A good player can make any unit good? Will Pagani (good player), Assault Commando (much maligned unit), he put in a lot of practice, and he won WW? So how is that logic flawed?

**Grey Templar**

Tamwulf wrote:
jeratoll wrote:
Tamwulf wrote:
. I kinda disagree just because a good player with a lot of practice can make any unit shine.

That logic is flawed. Look at Will Pagani, in 2013 he won Warmachine Weekend with a list that contained a unit of Assault Kommandos, which see even less play than Man O Wars. Pagani won that event because he was a good player and had a strategy going into the event. It didn't suddenly make Assault Kommandos viable. Just because one of the best players in the game can make a unit work, doesn't mean that it's a unit that new players should use.

Isn't that what I said? A good player can make any unit good? Will Pagani (good player), Assault Commando (much maligned unit), he put in a lot of practice, and he won WW? So how is that logic flawed?

I think he's getting at the fact that newbies probably shouldn't be trying to make MoW, or any other poor unit, work. They should learn the game on the usable stuff before they try their hands at turd polishing.

**Mahtamori**

Grey Templar wrote:
Tamwulf wrote:
jeratoll wrote:
Tamwulf wrote:
. I kinda disagree just because a good player with a lot of practice can make any unit shine.

That logic is flawed. Look at Will Pagani, in 2013 he won Warmachine Weekend with a list that contained a unit of Assault Kommandos, which see even less play than Man O Wars. Pagani won that event because he was a good player and had a strategy going into the event. It didn't suddenly make Assault Kommandos viable. Just because one of the best players in the game can make a unit work, doesn't mean that it's a unit that new players should use.

Isn't that what I said? A good player can make any unit good? Will Pagani (good player), Assault Commando (much maligned unit), he put in a lot of practice, and he won WW? So how is that logic flawed?

I think he's getting at the fact that newbies probably shouldn't be trying to make MoW, or any other poor unit, work. They should learn the game on the usable stuff before they try their hands at turd polishing.

Looks more a case of a unit is difficult to use and thus deciding it's useless instead of getting to the level or effort to make it work and then spreading this personalized knowledge over the internet like gospel. Being difficult isn't the same as unviable or useless. In either case, bonus negative internets to jeratoll for altering someone else's text inside a quote.