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So most of the cheating that I have come across comes from one guy. He always just tries to remember rules and stats off the top of his head, and when he remembers his own units he tends to round up and when he remembers your units rules he rounds down.

So if he fires at a rhino he will say its AV10 and roll for pen saying how many pens and how many glances he got. You have to constantly correct this guy. And the worst part is, he owns most armies. So i am like "cmon man, you play ultramarines, you know what the AV of a rhino is!"

But specific examples of a friendly game. We are taking turns setting up terrain on the board and he just starts laying down huge forests putting them edge to edge. He effectively covered half of the board in solid forest. I thought this was weird since each section was only to have so many terrain pieces, but these were huge. Anyway, he was playing tyranids so it effectively gave his entire army a 2+ cover save. I found out later that in the rules it says you cannot place terrain pieces within 2" of each other.

The he was playing Tau, and this was 7th edition. On his shooting phase he would go around to each unit and fire his markerlights first. So units A, B, and C, would fire at my unit X, all using their markerlights. Then he would go back to Unit A, and fire the missiles from that squad making use of all the markerlights that had affected unit X. I now know that this is a clear violation of the shooting order.
Also, I had shot down a unit of fire warriors just enough to make them roll a LD check.They failed LD and ran back and were right next to the board edge. On the start of his turn he said they have the bonding knife ritual and so they auto regroup. I thought that sounded weird since I thought only Space Marines could auto regroup. And yea turns out he was not telling the truth about that one.

I use to play against a lawyer, who cheated constantly, yet would manipulate his opponent into agreeing with him during the game. After awhile, I just started to refuse him games, because there was nothing to learn nor any joy in playing him. He's still the only person I will refuse a game to.

SJ

 jeffersonian000 wrote:
I use to play against a lawyer, who cheated constantly, yet would manipulate his opponent into agreeing with him during the game. After awhile, I just started to refuse him games, because there was nothing to learn nor any joy in playing him. He's still the only person I will refuse a game to.

SJ

Talk about a rules-lawyer, lol.
He's playing a mindgame on top of a tabletop game. That's rough battle.

my brother plays tau and cheats... constantly... recentky we had a game where he took all battlesuits. didnt have any of them on board to start. then deepstriked them all on turn 1.
hes a jackass

There's someone at my local GW whom I started referring to as "Bender". He takes his movements and unit coherencies VERY royally. He's always "just in range" when he's shooting at me but the next turn I'll be "just out of range", even tough the models remained on the same spots and their range is the same.

And he just straight-out tries to change rules.
Some rule granted all models with "USR X" (can't remember what specifically) a +3" to their run move and then argued that it would count for his bikes because "turbo boosting is running for bikes, it's just a different word".
Conveniently, this would give him just enough movement to grab an objective and win the game. All I said was: "That's bs" and he dropped it immediately. Yeah, he knew it was bs and that there was not a single argument to support that claim.

You just need to keep your eyes on him the entire game or he'll cheat. Which is why I made it a habit spectate games he's playing (if I'm there and not doing anything), especially when he's playing new people. Luckily, anyone and their mother knows he does it, but that doesn't stop him from trying.

DaPino wrote:
There's someone at my local GW whom I started referring to as "Bender". He takes his movements and unit coherencies VERY royally. He's always "just in range" when he's shooting at me but the next turn I'll be "just out of range", even tough the models remained on the same spots and their range is the same.

And he just straight-out tries to change rules.
Some rule granted all models with "USR X" (can't remember what specifically) a +3" to their run move and then argued that it would count for his bikes because "turbo boosting is running for bikes, it's just a different word".
Conveniently, this would give him just enough movement to grab an objective and win the game. All I said was: "That's bs" and he dropped it immediately. Yeah, he knew it was bs and that there was not a single argument to support that claim.

You just need to keep your eyes on him the entire game or he'll cheat. Which is why I made it a habit spectate games he's playing (if I'm there and not doing anything), especially when he's playing new people. Luckily, anyone and their mother knows he does it, but that doesn't stop him from trying.

Why play him? Seriously?

It was literally my first tournament at the old chicago battle bunker. I was about 4 months into the hobby and decided to try and play because why not. It was more of a friendly tournament with no prizes or anything. Well this guy played a nurgle chaos daemon army with half of it being proxied by bases and he didn't use a ruler. I was an idiot and didn't say anything during the game but told the manager after that. I am pretty sure he got kicked out of the tournament, but I didn't stick around to see. Since then I have been kinda put off by tournaments.

In casuals i some times get the old previous edition(s) mix up guy rarely nothing malicious or anything like that. not really cheating at all ether from what i can tell.

Iv been cheated in non 40k games though

I played a guy where he wanted to win so bad I could feel it.
Every rule questioned, voicing rules how he wished them to be rather than actual.
I had an idea after the next voicing of "outrage" of a given rule as I pointed out invalid choices.
I said to him "What do you want the rule to be?" and "He said what do you mean?"
I said "If you could choose how the rule worked but it has to remain that way, what would you want: I will play it that way."
It was a fun and strange game, he changed some things and I beat him over the head with a couple "new rules" but we had fun and he freaking relaxed.
Sometimes the "cheater" is just a new player who just wants a win so badly.
I made sure we were clear how the rules actually worked but it was a fun exercise in gaming.
The guy turned out not being a bad sort.

 kronk wrote:

DaPino wrote:
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Why play him? Seriously?

Probably because, weird as it may sound, the guy is a rather pleasant person.

That and the fact that he's not really stubborn about it. If you tell it as it is, he's not gonna be a donkey and claim otherwise.

well thats sounds terrible.
i there ARE A TON of people at my store who always make sure there models are 2" apart and its kidof annoying. because theres also someone who always picks up his to hit and to wound dice really fast so you cant tell if he actually is cheating

 hanshotfirst wrote:
well thats sounds terrible.
i there ARE A TON of people at my store who always make sure there models are 2" apart and its kidof annoying. because theres also someone who always picks up his to hit and to wound dice really fast so you cant tell if he actually is cheating

Heh. I'm really good at guessing 2" spread, I do it by accident.
My group always calls out the numbers of successful rules, and picks out dice starting from the failed ones. By the time you've removed the fails, the opponent has had the chance to check your successes were valid.

Back in 2nd, when you made close combat attacks, you rolled 1d6 for each of your attacks (with a bonus 1d6 for charging), and added your Weapon Skill to the highest roll, with additional 6's (after the first) granting a plus 1 to the total.

My buddy that got us introduced into the game played Chaos, and Abaddon was a beast in close combat.

He would charge into combat, pick up a handful of dice, roll them, quickly pick them up and then declare a seemingly random number between 15 and 20.

He never left the dice so we could verify.

Cheating bastard.

ziggurattt wrote:
Back in 2nd, when you made close combat attacks, you rolled 1d6 for each of your attacks (with a bonus 1d6 for charging), and added your Weapon Skill to the highest roll, with additional 6's (after the first) granting a plus 1 to the total.

My buddy that got us introduced into the game played Chaos, and Abaddon was a beast in close combat.

He would charge into combat, pick up a handful of dice, roll them, quickly pick them up and then declare a seemingly random number between 15 and 20.

He never left the dice so we could verify.

Cheating bastard.

He was definitely cheating on the sly.
That's an interesting close combat system, but what are you rolling for? amount of hits or wounds?

Where I play, I dont think I have ever really seen anyone cheat. We will do the 1 for 1 trade of mistakes/forgets, but they have to be "equal value". I mean one guy cant say this guy forgot to shoot his gun, and the other guy says he forgot to charge his squad.

Ive had plenty games where ive added up opponents lists afterwards and found them well over the limit.

Dont think anyone has openly cheated against me... plenty get tules wrong but i generally accept that they are mistakes.

I had one mate kind of insinuate that i was cheating. I rolled a dice for reserves and was sure it was a 3 and picked it up to roll for next reserve but opponent said it was a 2. The dice were pretty small and hard to read so i just took him for his word but he didnt seem happy that it was a mistake...... even though i still believe it was a 3 lol

A couple years ago in a 'ard boyz tourney in Orlando I was pitted against the only other dark eldar player in the tourney. He cheated his way through that game and constantly got the judges involved in our match, and every time they sided with him. He won.

Later on I learned that he was friends with the guys who ran the place and one of the judges. The organizers didn't randomly pit us together like they were supposed to. They did it on purpose just to see a dark eldar versus dark eldar fight, and then backed him up in every rules argument we had.

back when i first started playing my brother would normally bring around 200 points more then me, he would also rage quit if losing at the end of turn 1.

When i introduced my friend to the game it went good for a while, then he insisted on using a dice roller app, and he would tell me the results, after he told me he rolled 7 6's to pierce one of my vehicles i grabbed his phone and saw he was lying out his ass. haven't played with him since i caught him lying bout more crap.

the group i play with now doesn't cheat, we're all really relaxed gamers, so its all good.

the group i play with now doesn't cheat, we're all really relaxed gamers, so its all good.

 BuFFo wrote:
A couple years ago in a 'ard boyz tourney in Orlando I was pitted against the only other dark eldar player in the tourney. He cheated his way through that game and constantly got the judges involved in our match, and every time they sided with him. He won.

Later on I learned that he was friends with the guys who ran the place and one of the judges. The organizers didn't randomly pit us together like they were supposed to. They did it on purpose just to see a dark eldar versus dark eldar fight, and then backed him up in every rules argument we had.

I have actually heard about that event.

 Dylanj94 wrote:
Had a player use weighted dice once. A set of 6 that he would use for checks. 2 always rolled 1's and 4 always rolled 6's. Needless to say he did pretty well passing any leadership checks.

Finally got caught after rolling nothing but 2 after like 40 pinning checks. And got banned from the warhammer tables.

I personally got cheated against playing nids vs deathwing.

I deep striked some trygons into objectives.
Next turn he deep strikes his assault terminators, and assaults my trygons, slaughtering them
New at the time i figured i had gotten the rule wrong.

I then had ymgurl genestealers burst out of the nearby building in addition to using the trygons hole to bring out some regular genestealers. Then assaulted his army, and wiped it out because terminators are weak vs can openers

Then he says i cant deepstrike and assault after he did

Calls over the judge and explains that turn 1 he deep striked, turn two i deep striked, turn 3 he assaulted, and turn 4 i deep striked and assaulted.

Judge listened to him, and i got kicked out of the tournament.

Wow dude did you keep your cool? I would have flippppppppped out, wooowww!

 luky7dayz wrote:
When i introduced my friend to the game it went good for a while, then he insisted on using a dice roller app, and he would tell me the results, after he told me he rolled 7 6's to pierce one of my vehicles i grabbed his phone and saw he was lying out his ass. haven't played with him since i caught him lying bout more crap.

Yeah, I learned not to trust the people who insist on using dice roller apps after having a guy use them in the Rogue Trader RPG. He would hold his phone so you couldn't see what he was doing, tap a bunch of times then show us when he had a success.
I always try to enforce the policy that you announce what you're rolling for and then roll in the middle of the table. That way everyone can see, everyone knows what you're rolling for, and the dice are generally too far away to immediately swipe up easily.

I occasionally use a Dice Roller app for when I have to roll sets of 15-25 dice, but it's always done with all participants watching.
Count successes out loud and point at them, then make sure the others understand.

Some of these stories sound ridiculous.
The only time I've ever been cheated was that I had an opponent in a gt with 6 groups of scatterbikes go through all of their shooting, and then shot a 7th time. Couldn't call him on it because I knew he'd just say "no I didn't" and the issue would go nowhere.

Played against a guy in a tournament who would pick up his misses and roll them with the hits. My partner in the tournament pointed it out after the guy.

I have also noticed a friend of mine (no longer in the hobby), doing the same thing. Taking out some misses along with the hits, I assume because they felt that "statistically" they should've had more hits.

That's just the people I've noticed. I tend to trust my opponent and not watch dice. This is why I ALWAYS take out misses, not hits. Can't cheat that way.

One of my old regular opponents also had a tendency to make up rules for things. Special rules doing things that they actually don't, generous interpretations on restrictions, etc.

In the same game I played against the miss roller, he insisted that the Dire Avengers' reducing attacks each turn stacked (rather than simply subtracting 1 from their attack profile), with their old defend ability. When the TO came over and sided with me (that they don't stack), he pretended like he knew that all along and didn't even know why I was playing like that. Thinking about pulling out the win in that game still makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

My friend went against another player in a Feast of Blades qualifier. The guy was playing Tau and his crisis suits weren't really modeled with WYSIWYG that well from from what I remember.

As the game progressed he kept pointing out he had such and such system on his suits. Now this probably wouldn't fly even under normal circumstances, but in this particular case my friend was also playing Tau. He kept pointing out that it's obvious the suits didn't have a particular system since he used a different system the previous round and the suits have two weapons each.

My friend told me afterwards and he should have really pressed the issue further and bring the issue to the judge. The guy ended up passing the qualifier. Our flgs is too relax sometimes and didn't make people submit a list prior to the game.

 Savageconvoy wrote:
Our flgs is too relax sometimes and didn't make people submit a list prior to the game.

No list, no game!

Lol !!!

 Dozer Blades wrote:

 BuFFo wrote:
A couple years ago in a 'ard boyz tourney in Orlando I was pitted against the only other dark eldar player in the tourney. He cheated his way through that game and constantly got the judges involved in our match, and every time they sided with him. He won.

Later on I learned that he was friends with the guys who ran the place and one of the judges. The organizers didn't randomly pit us together like they were supposed to. They did it on purpose just to see a dark eldar versus dark eldar fight, and then backed him up in every rules argument we had.

I have actually heard about that event.

A year or two later I went to another 'Ard Boyz qualifier in Ft. Lauderdale, IIRC, and I was matched up against a very friendly, very nice player who owns a game store here in Florida. As I was talking to him he instantly recognized me and mentioned that I played against his friend in Orlando some time back. Turns out he was one of the judges. In our game, though, this guy didn't cheat that I was aware of, and beat me soundly. Oh well

there was this one guy in our local tournament, never seen him before and he walts in with these large cannon things that I have never seen before and insists they are strength 10 ap 2, so I went whatever might be fun. So after he killed my Landraider (:() I go to shoot at them, apparently they were also 14 all round (why arent they just the gift that keeps on giving). So I ask to see the rules and what do you know, he doesnt have them. I later realised that he removed peices of terrain off the board to give himself more line of sight before the game but that was after the game ended so nothing I could do, that and he was a bit of an ass. So yeah..