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More detailed pilot shot

Yet more better shots

Yet yet more better shots

I'm liking the Red Squadron veteran as he has everything I want. Cool look (X-wing, duh!), droid, and elite pilot. The added boost means I could use the modification for something else as well although I'm not sure what though as I almost always use engine mod. I guess failsafe munitions if I take torpedoes but that is alot of points total. That starter (or subsequent booster) may be my first x-wing purchase in a couple of waves (since the Tantive and YT-2400). Has it been leaked yet whether the new versions of the TIE and X-wing will be getting individual boosters as well to fill in the missing SKUs?

So is it a good start to go with one of both, the old and the new starter packs?

I love the look of BB8!

It hasn't been leaked about the boosters, but there were several entries missing in the FFG stock codes, so it is a fairly reasonable assumption there's more to come, and that's the most logical thing, IMO.


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tommse wrote:So is it a good start to go with one of both, the old and the new starter packs?

It really comes down to choice, two starters is generally considered a good foundation, and the new ships aren't flat out better, as they're costed appropriately, so follow your nose.

overtyrant wrote:I love the look of BB8!

Me too! The Astromech slot has quietly been getting some really nice cards. There was always R2, but the Transporter added some really cool options, and now this.

 warboss wrote:
I'm liking the Red Squadron veteran as he has everything I want. Cool look (X-wing, duh!), droid, and elite pilot. The added boost means I could use the modification for something else as well although I'm not sure what though as I almost always use engine mod. I guess failsafe munitions if I take torpedoes but that is alot of points total.

Autothrusters.

 Crazy_Carnifex wrote:

 warboss wrote:
I'm liking the Red Squadron veteran as he has everything I want. Cool look (X-wing, duh!), droid, and elite pilot. The added boost means I could use the modification for something else as well although I'm not sure what though as I almost always use engine mod. I guess failsafe munitions if I take torpedoes but that is alot of points total.

Autothrusters.

Thanks for the tip. That is particularly juicy. I haven't kept up with the upgrades in the last two waves so didn't know about that one.

I'll probably be picking up this new set, mostly cause I love the new ships. If they release a bulked up version of the tie fighter (special forces w/ the red marking) then i'm sold on it entirely.

However I don't plan on mix and matching ships from the different eras. Having OT ships next to the ones from the new film would be weird if you ask me. I'm just hoping the new starter has the same simplicity and quick fun of the original core set.

 Thargrim wrote:
I'm just hoping the new starter has the same simplicity and quick fun of the original core set.

Funny you say that, as I feel like one X-wing starter is a horrible indication of how the game feels. I was there for the original launch, and that first night the wife and I learned the game on the contents of a single starter, and mostly hated it. :-p That game at 30pts feels like idiot space-jousting and did no convey what the system really offers at all.

The monetary value is there, sure, but I always tell people to buy at least two (the horrible lack of dice in one set also does no favors), plus some extras to judge the game.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:

 Thargrim wrote:
I'm just hoping the new starter has the same simplicity and quick fun of the original core set.

Funny you say that, as I feel like one X-wing starter is a horrible indication of how the game feels. I was there for the original launch, and that first night the wife and I learned the game on the contents of a single starter, and mostly hated it. :-p That game at 30pts feels like idiot space-jousting and did no convey what the system really offers at all.

The monetary value is there, sure, but I always tell people to buy at least two (the horrible lack of dice in one set also does no favors), plus some extras to judge the game.

Yeah, but for someone who typically doesn't do tabletop gaming it struck me as being actually playable. I tried to do warhammer but I couldn't get into it, there's a difference between being fun and being so convoluted its like a having second job to learn it. I wonder if they will do a reprint of the current starter with revamped rules/errata and faqs put into the rules.

Aside from that, I do hope they have some other releases for TFA lined up. Otherwise we'll be stuck with the contents of the new starter for months because the resistance and first order aren't going to have many ships. I'm not sure how much disney is giving them to work with, but releasing the special forces tie along with a black x wing wouldn't exactly be much of a spoiler..because toys based on those ships are already being released on the 4th anyways. And FFG has a tendency to show off what they are releasing 6 months prior, which is mind numbing...the inquisitors prototype tie fighter still won't be available for months and months.

 Thargrim wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:

 Thargrim wrote:
I'm just hoping the new starter has the same simplicity and quick fun of the original core set.

Funny you say that, as I feel like one X-wing starter is a horrible indication of how the game feels. I was there for the original launch, and that first night the wife and I learned the game on the contents of a single starter, and mostly hated it. :-p That game at 30pts feels like idiot space-jousting and did no convey what the system really offers at all.

The monetary value is there, sure, but I always tell people to buy at least two (the horrible lack of dice in one set also does no favors), plus some extras to judge the game.

Yeah, but for someone who typically doesn't do tabletop gaming it struck me as being actually playable. I tried to do warhammer but I couldn't get into it, there's a difference between being fun and being so convoluted its like a having second job to learn it. I wonder if they will do a reprint of the current starter with revamped rules/errata and faqs put into the rules.

Aside from that, I do hope they have some other releases for TFA lined up. Otherwise we'll be stuck with the contents of the new starter for months because the resistance and first order aren't going to have many ships. I'm not sure how much disney is giving them to work with, but releasing the special forces tie along with a black x wing wouldn't exactly be much of a spoiler..because toys based on those ships are already being released on the 4th anyways. And FFG has a tendency to show off what they are releasing 6 months prior, which is mind numbing...the inquisitors prototype tie fighter still won't be available for months and months.

Remember, Resistance/First Order are subfactions of Rebels/Imperial. They can appear in one of those factions lists, but are kept separate, probably as a way of future-proofing "Sequel format". For example, make games 150 pt to account for higher base costs, but ban the Academy Pilot with the rest of the old Galactic Empire stuff.

 Crazy_Carnifex wrote:

 Thargrim wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:

 Thargrim wrote:
I'm just hoping the new starter has the same simplicity and quick fun of the original core set.

Funny you say that, as I feel like one X-wing starter is a horrible indication of how the game feels. I was there for the original launch, and that first night the wife and I learned the game on the contents of a single starter, and mostly hated it. :-p That game at 30pts feels like idiot space-jousting and did no convey what the system really offers at all.

The monetary value is there, sure, but I always tell people to buy at least two (the horrible lack of dice in one set also does no favors), plus some extras to judge the game.

Yeah, but for someone who typically doesn't do tabletop gaming it struck me as being actually playable. I tried to do warhammer but I couldn't get into it, there's a difference between being fun and being so convoluted its like a having second job to learn it. I wonder if they will do a reprint of the current starter with revamped rules/errata and faqs put into the rules.

Aside from that, I do hope they have some other releases for TFA lined up. Otherwise we'll be stuck with the contents of the new starter for months because the resistance and first order aren't going to have many ships. I'm not sure how much disney is giving them to work with, but releasing the special forces tie along with a black x wing wouldn't exactly be much of a spoiler..because toys based on those ships are already being released on the 4th anyways. And FFG has a tendency to show off what they are releasing 6 months prior, which is mind numbing...the inquisitors prototype tie fighter still won't be available for months and months.

Remember, Resistance/First Order are subfactions of Rebels/Imperial. They can appear in one of those factions lists, but are kept separate, probably as a way of future-proofing "Sequel format". For example, make games 150 pt to account for higher base costs, but ban the Academy Pilot with the rest of the old Galactic Empire stuff.

Yep I knew that they could be mixed in the same lists. My gaming group is going to keep things era specific though to keep the games fluffy or accurate to the films era. I don't do tournaments or any serious gaming so i'm not too worried about running into problems.

I wish I could control myself, but Star Wars fever is starting to hit me. I can see picking up a few of these sets and I've barely had time to play the original X-Wing....

Official Announcement

https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2015/9/4/man-your-ships/

I don't see mixing as a huge thematic problem. The Y-Wing and Z-95 are extremely old ships by the OT era and are still in use. Star Wars technology appears to age well.

 TheWaspinator wrote:
I don't see mixing as a huge thematic problem. The Y-Wing and Z-95 are extremely old ships by the OT era and are still in use. Star Wars technology appears to age well.

Might be a problem with characters though, like having Vader in a shuttle, guarded by Firt Order TIE's just feels wrong

 TheWaspinator wrote:
I don't see mixing as a huge thematic problem. The Y-Wing and Z-95 are extremely old ships by the OT era and are still in use. Star Wars technology appears to age well.

No. But blatant power creep/pay-to-win is pretty bad there.

Basic old X-Wing Rookie Pilot is 21 points. With added boost (Engine Upgrade) and shield (Shield Upgrade) he'd be 29 points already. And still doesn't get the Tallarn turn or Tech upgrade slot.
Basic "old" E-Wing comes with 3 Shield and native Boost like the new X-Wing (still no Tallarn turn), but costs 27 for the PS 1 and 29 for the PS3.

New X-Wing is 24 points for the basic PS2 guy with all of the above, the Tallarn turn, new upgrade slot, native Boost (can use Autothrusters, etc..).

Basically, you can already bin most of the small Wave 1/2 rebel ships outside of a few named pilots with useful abilites. And that's just the "starter" to the new-gen ships. More to follow.

Probably would've been wiser to keep new-trilogy and old-trilogy factions separate. But alas, FFG-money-grabbing in full swing (which is a pity, I think the new ships would've sold just as well solely on the strength of the new Disney-designs and the general Star Wars-hype).

The X-Wing already had massive issues before this, though, since the B-Wing existed..

Pretty much what the Waspinator said.

It was overcosted for what it did and this one is better costed and does a similar but better job for similar but more points.

 statu wrote:

 TheWaspinator wrote:
I don't see mixing as a huge thematic problem. The Y-Wing and Z-95 are extremely old ships by the OT era and are still in use. Star Wars technology appears to age well.

Might be a problem with characters though, like having Vader in a shuttle, guarded by Firt Order TIE's just feels wrong

Only if you're concerned about the background. Given some of the squadrons I've seen discussed, it's safe to say that's not a concern many share.

Personally, I agree. But then, I always field Luke with R2-D2, or Vader/Mauler Mithel/Backstabber as a group and suchlike, so I suspect I'm not in the majority.

 Vain wrote:
Pretty much what the Waspinator said.

It was overcosted for what it did and this one is better costed and does a similar but better job for similar but more points.

If the X-Wing ended up overcosted, it did so only because later X-Wing releases upped the power creep, which this release does once again (and future FFG X-Wing releases will most probably also continue to do). Exactly what I've said.

It's the sad routine of FFG these days. It's just sad to see, that's all, especially since they wouldn't have to do it, given the general appeal of all things Star Wars these days.


And it's not like they even try to fix the old X-Wing Chardaan-Refit-style (or simply with a new pack of reduced-cost X-Wing cards, or even better yet, a "Rebel Squadrons Codex" with all X-Wing rules available to a faction and no more silly cards).

I think FFG has done a pretty good job of keeping things relatively balanced. I was flying X-Wings and Tie Advanced (and Tie Bombers) and being very successful with them, even when people were saying they were crap.

Im a sad panda though, decided to stop by Target on my way into the office (about an hour ago now), and they were... closed...

Wonderwolf wrote:

If the X-Wing ended up overcosted, it did so only because later X-Wing releases upped the power creep, which this release does once again (and future FFG X-Wing releases will most probably also continue to do). Exactly what I've said.

It was overcosted compared to the TIE fighters it came with in the starter box, well before later waves.

And it's not like they even try to fix the old X-Wing Chardaan-Refit-style (or simply with a new pack of reduced-cost X-Wing cards, or even better yet, a "Rebel Squadrons Codex" with all X-Wing rules available to a faction and no more silly cards).

Are you seriously promoting a codex based system? Well you should have said so before. I now know I can safely ignore anything you have to say as we have some severely different and fundamentally opposite opinions about what makes the game good.

 Vain wrote:


Are you seriously promoting a codex based system? Well you should have said so before. I now know I can safely ignore anything you have to say as we have some severely different and fundamentally opposite opinions about what makes the game good.

A book compiling all upgrades and rules, possibly as an alternative to the cards, would make things a lot less cluttered on the table, yes. Especially at tournaments, when time is scarce and lots of people's stuff is knocking about.

I find FFGs card-fetisch fairly unsuited for X-Wing. It's less of a problem for, say, Imperial Assault, which I only tend to play at home. YMMV.

Not sure how the format the rules are printed in would have any influence on the quality of the game?

Yeah. A codex system sounds just awful.

I'll take those cards 8 days a week.

I disagree, if you're the least bit organized the cards make things so much easier than a reference book. Personally I lay out my ship cards, and then place my upgrades on top of them in a manner so that I can see the name/rules reference on each one. I also put all relevant tokens on the cards as well (this is one thing I hate about FFGs tournament policy, there is absolutely no reason why the tokens should be placed next to the models when they can be placed on the cards instead, it helps to reduce clutter on the battlefield itself, and avoid the confusion associated with which token belongs to which person/ship).

chaos0xomega wrote:
I disagree, if you're the least bit organized the cards make things so much easier than a reference book. Personally I lay out my ship cards, and then place my upgrades on top of them in a manner so that I can see the name/rules reference on each one. I also put all relevant tokens on the cards as well (this is one thing I hate about FFGs tournament policy, there is absolutely no reason why the tokens should be placed next to the models when they can be placed on the cards instead, it helps to reduce clutter on the battlefield itself, and avoid the confusion associated with which token belongs to which person/ship).

Agreed on your last point. I am almost convinced FFG over-supplies us with tokens, knowing we'll inevitably lose some on tournament days, to people snatching things up after a game. I hate to say, its the reason I bought odd colored acryllic tokens for all my main actions, etc... just so I would very likely always know what was "mine".

In other news, I literally saw a fat man in a fedora push a Target employee to the floor and in one move, shove the entire stock of Force Awakens starters, and six-inch action figures, into his cart.

I proceeding to say "feth it", and went to Miniaturesmarket.com where you can order said starter for 40% off if you have a modicum of patience. :-p

Spikey Bits has an unboxing video up.




It's been a few years since I got a starter but didn't the previous come with more upgrades? I seem to remember more options both for the x-wing (characters) as well as generic stuff like torpedoes, elite skills, etc. This one seems quite light if he is actually showing everything that is in the pack and not just the new stuff (which I don't think is the case as he showed the proton torpedo card).

Also, the new tech upgrade symbol reminds me of the little Android phone mascot's head.