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 SDFarsight wrote:

 Savageconvoy wrote:
The Ta'unar and the Stormsurge look way too top heavy to be able to brace themselves for the weapons recoil.

You're talking about a race which puts large railguns on the shoulders of relatively small battlesuits- being top heavy has always been a theme of the Tau! You could argue that the railguns don't produce recoil since they use electricity rather than chemical propellants, but those 4th edition Broadside suits still looked like they'd tip over as soon as they shot the first rounds.

There is no possible way you can say that rail guns don't produce recoil. This is because physics.

 Flinty wrote:

 SDFarsight wrote:

 Savageconvoy wrote:
The Ta'unar and the Stormsurge look way too top heavy to be able to brace themselves for the weapons recoil.

You're talking about a race which puts large railguns on the shoulders of relatively small battlesuits- being top heavy has always been a theme of the Tau! You could argue that the railguns don't produce recoil since they use electricity rather than chemical propellants, but those 4th edition Broadside suits still looked like they'd tip over as soon as they shot the first rounds.

There is no possible way you can say that rail guns don't produce recoil. This is because physics.

Yes, "Newton won't be denied!".

 Flinty wrote:

 SDFarsight wrote:

 Savageconvoy wrote:
The Ta'unar and the Stormsurge look way too top heavy to be able to brace themselves for the weapons recoil.

You're talking about a race which puts large railguns on the shoulders of relatively small battlesuits- being top heavy has always been a theme of the Tau! You could argue that the railguns don't produce recoil since they use electricity rather than chemical propellants, but those 4th edition Broadside suits still looked like they'd tip over as soon as they shot the first rounds.

There is no possible way you can say that rail guns don't produce recoil. This is because physics.

Isn't the US Navy using railguns in real life now?

So sci-fi fans who don't trust science finally have an answer about railguns and recoil?

I'm not spending a dime on it until I proxy it enough to judge if it's a good investment. And the KX139 looks cooler.

Savageconvoy wrote:I just think it's the typical way GW answers their fan's requests.

Fans: We want a larger sized battle suit, smaller than a titan, but with lots of railguns on it!

GW: Okay. Here are titan sized GMC suits with lots of ion weapons on them.

haha

Tau are just silly little fish people that sit and pew pew away like little pansies nothing more, nothing less.

the only thing we have going on here is the mechwarrior tau theme army:

3 stormsurges
3 ghostkeels
3 riptides

farsight o'vessa

fill with crisis suits

tada mechwarrior tau

 Pouncey wrote:

 Flinty wrote:

 SDFarsight wrote:

 Savageconvoy wrote:
The Ta'unar and the Stormsurge look way too top heavy to be able to brace themselves for the weapons recoil.

You're talking about a race which puts large railguns on the shoulders of relatively small battlesuits- being top heavy has always been a theme of the Tau! You could argue that the railguns don't produce recoil since they use electricity rather than chemical propellants, but those 4th edition Broadside suits still looked like they'd tip over as soon as they shot the first rounds.

There is no possible way you can say that rail guns don't produce recoil. This is because physics.

Isn't the US Navy using railguns in real life now?

So sci-fi fans who don't trust science finally have an answer about railguns and recoil?

They navy guns definitely produce recoil, but it doesn't seem like an unreasonable amount of recoil.

 ionusx wrote:
the only thing we have going on here is the mechwarrior tau theme army:

3 stormsurges
3 ghostkeels
3 riptides

farsight o'vessa

fill with crisis suits

tada mechwarrior tau

Hey! 3 R'varnas and 3 Y'vahras as well!

 ionusx wrote:
the only thing we have going on here is the mechwarrior tau theme army:

3 stormsurges
3 ghostkeels
3 riptides

farsight o'vessa

fill with crisis suits

tada mechwarrior tau

More like:
1 unit of XV15 Stealth Suits (Infantry)
1 Broadside ("Recon" Mech)
1 Ghostkeel (Light Mech)
1 Riptide (Medium General-Purpose Mech)
1 R'varna (Medium Support Mech)
1 Y'vahra (Medium Attack Mech)
1 Stormsurge (Heavy Mech)
1 Supremacy Armor (Assault Mech)

 TheNewBlood wrote:


I will admit that the Tau Stormsurge looks goofy as all get out. The rules and points cost are decidedly balanced, which means that the most competitive players have decreed that it sucks. Until we get the full Tau codex, we won't know anything about army synergy that could boost the unit's potential.

This is the important thing to note right here. In a vacuum? It's a great unit. Strong, powerful even, but not over-powered.

But, in a game of CentStars, Imperial Knights, Wraithknights, massed D-weapon spam, Scatbikes and Invisible FMCs? It's weaksauce.

And that is what is wrong with 40K today. The powercreep being what it is, there is no hope in fixing what is wrong with 40k in the current edition. The next edition of the game will basically need to press the reset button on every army.

 Psienesis wrote:

 TheNewBlood wrote:


I will admit that the Tau Stormsurge looks goofy as all get out. The rules and points cost are decidedly balanced, which means that the most competitive players have decreed that it sucks. Until we get the full Tau codex, we won't know anything about army synergy that could boost the unit's potential.

This is the important thing to note right here. In a vacuum? It's a great unit. Strong, powerful even, but not over-powered.

But, in a game of CentStars, Imperial Knights, Wraithknights, massed D-weapon spam, Scatbikes and Invisible FMCs? It's weaksauce.

And that is what is wrong with 40K today. The powercreep being what it is, there is no hope in fixing what is wrong with 40k in the current edition. The next edition of the game will basically need to press the reset button on every army.

... and since this is 40k, what will happen is "reset button on DA, BA, Tyranids, DE, Orks, CM, and maybe Tau and maybe Daemons" and everything else gets buffed further.


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Why the feth can't we get a new, bad-ass super-flier that's halfway between a Hammerhead and a Manta? Maybe a beefed-up Sky Ray for blowing up titans beyond visual range? Why not put some god-damned rail rifles in my Fire Warrior squads? Maybe some sort of stealthed vehicle, since Tau do that better than any other race in the galaxy (minus bs space magic).

Yep. What the writing team needs to do is sit down and write the core rule book, and then every Codex for the edition, in one go. Playtesting what they write as it goes.

*Then* publish it. You can stagger the release schedule on books, if you like, by providing a cheat-sheet of whatever new units are going to be in the new, to-be-released-later books that has the unit entry and relevant rules, without fluff or pictures or anything of the sort.

Then you release a Codex with all the pictures, images, background fluff, and so on every month or two.

 Psienesis wrote:

 TheNewBlood wrote:


I will admit that the Tau Stormsurge looks goofy as all get out. The rules and points cost are decidedly balanced, which means that the most competitive players have decreed that it sucks. Until we get the full Tau codex, we won't know anything about army synergy that could boost the unit's potential.

This is the important thing to note right here. In a vacuum? It's a great unit. Strong, powerful even, but not over-powered.

But, in a game of CentStars, Imperial Knights, Wraithknights, massed D-weapon spam, Scatbikes and Invisible FMCs? It's weaksauce.

And that is what is wrong with 40K today. The powercreep being what it is, there is no hope in fixing what is wrong with 40k in the current edition. The next edition of the game will basically need to press the reset button on every army.

While I like 40k 7th ed, I hope 8th comes very different. It's too clunky nowadays.

Personally, I think the Stormsurge would look better as a quadruped.

Agree with Guardsmen Bob, would look far better as a quad.

Which would be hilarious because it would look exactly like Chapterhouse's Tau Superheavy.

I don't like the quad either.
It looks great, but its not tauish.

The stormsurge looks awful, the ghostkneel is the new boy now around and he looks great. moving on.

The Ghostkeel rules just leaked. It also appears decidedly balanced, so it too must suck. No codex info yet and the consensus is already clear that Tau are getting nerfed!

It's rules are much better than the limpsurge. Terrible anti-tank but a great mobile HYMP substitute. Can see myself buying two of them. Maybe even three.

I would give it a 3/5. Has it's niche and will be excellent in that niche. Poor fusion weapons take down the score. Those guns are so useless. A blast fusion will be lucky to hit two enemies. My opponents are usually smart enough to spread all their guys out to minimize blast effects on them.

Every time you want to take out a tank you have to compare it to a team of XV 8 with dual fusions. Is this putting out the same amount of shots? Yes, but it's also nearly 3x the cost for those shots when its clearly can be doing more important things on the battlefield. 420 for 6 shots of fusion from the XV95 team or 156 for an XV8 with Fusion blasters team.

So like I said. Good anti-infantry and light vehicle killer. Even then it's only good. The broadsides technically do that role better, but it remains to be seen how mobile or immobile they are. With this things mobility it's like a side grade to the HYMP Sides.

http://warhammer-tau-army.blogspot.co.uk/2015/10/the-new-tau-xv-95-ghostkeel.html

So it's like this thing, except fat.

Ok.

 Psienesis wrote:
So it's like this thing, except fat.

Ok.

Not sure about the context behind this post...

The picture linked above compared to the FW model leaked last week.

It means purple.

Psienesis wrote:The picture linked above compared to the FW model leaked last week.

Ah I see. have you seen the photo where GW have the model standing fully upright? The model can actually be pretty tall, and I get the feeling most people will pose it like that so it looks better.

DarthSpader wrote:It means purple.

This post has even less context! Now I'm just confused!

That was kind of the point

 ionusx wrote:
the only thing we have going on here is the mechwarrior tau theme army:

3 stormsurges
3 ghostkeels
3 riptides

farsight o'vessa

fill with crisis suits

tada mechwarrior tau

Nothing wrong with that. Hell have you seen Battletech minis? If they are not going to make good minis, GW might as well do it. So I say keep more coming.

 TheNewBlood wrote:
The Ghostkeel rules just leaked. It also appears decidedly balanced, so it too must suck. No codex info yet and the consensus is already clear that Tau are getting nerfed!

Really sorry... dunno if I could detect sarcasm or not? lol

Either way 130 points for a T5 W4 3++ model... with dem weapons.... well.... and the ability to force one unit to snapshot against it... well yeah... my leman russ squadron is pretty useless now....

 Baldeagle91 wrote:

 TheNewBlood wrote:
The Ghostkeel rules just leaked. It also appears decidedly balanced, so it too must suck. No codex info yet and the consensus is already clear that Tau are getting nerfed!

Really sorry... dunno if I could detect sarcasm or not? lol

Either way 130 points for a T5 W4 3++ model... with dem weapons.... well.... and the ability to force one unit to snapshot against it... well yeah... my leman russ squadron is pretty useless now....

To be fair, your leman russ is probably better armed than this. the ghost is durable as it gets, but packs very little punch.

 BoomWolf wrote:

 Baldeagle91 wrote:

 TheNewBlood wrote:
The Ghostkeel rules just leaked. It also appears decidedly balanced, so it too must suck. No codex info yet and the consensus is already clear that Tau are getting nerfed!

Really sorry... dunno if I could detect sarcasm or not? lol

Either way 130 points for a T5 W4 3++ model... with dem weapons.... well.... and the ability to force one unit to snapshot against it... well yeah... my leman russ squadron is pretty useless now....

To be fair, your leman russ is probably better armed than this. the ghost is durable as it gets, but packs very little punch.

The Leman Russ has roughly the same firepower as a Ghostkeel: a killy Large Blast and a secondary weapon. The LR's Large Blast is AP3 and has longer range, but the Ghostkeel can choose to have lots of shots instead of the Large Blast, it can replace its Large Blast for a more powerful Small Blast, and it can fire its twin-linked secondary weapon without penalties.