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 ImAGeek wrote:

 DarkTraveler777 wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
It's almost a given that Baneblades will be LoW in the codex.

I recall reading that last year when the current codex was a rumor.

It would be nice if the Baneblade was included, but I'll never put it past GW to go against expectations either.

When the current codex was a rumour there hadn't been a whole load of codexes released first all with LoWs in the codexes...this time every full codex released previously has had LoWs. And the Baneblade is the obvious one. It's basically a given.

Totes, and I hope it is in there.

But GW doing the obvious thing doesn't always pan out. And pessimism is fun.

Nah, I believe you its right there in the print and luckily I can read it from living in Germany for a few years. I'm just praying to the Emperor that they're something that can match the other GC and SH.

Time will tell. I am looking forward to new basilisks.

 ultimentra wrote:
>Baneblades in the codex

Yea I'm not going to be that guy to call it straight up lies/wishlisting, but I'm going to call it... highly optimistic

Of course it will have Baneblades in the codex. GW is hellbent on turning a skirmish game into Epic with 28mm models. Plus, if the rules are over the top, the model will sell. GW marketing FTW....

I predict AV 15 with ten hull points, melta immunity and haywire results -1, rending shred twinlinked bolters, armorbane lascannons, a "heavy demolisher cannon" that can fire twice, and the main cannon becoming D for.... 250pts

But in all seriousness, I'm super eager to see if there are any changes besides point cost as I love the model but even in Apoc battles I'm better off with other choices. . With the datasheets the formation coming in WZD:Mont'ka I think we will get a good feeling of what to expect from the dex, hopefully it's all warm and fuzzys. Speaking of which I need to get my FLGS owner to set me aside a Mont'ka book.

All Imperium armies have a ridicolous amount of superheavies they can legally include for any game.
Just the "baneblade box" and "Imperial knight box" offer far more options than chaos or any xenos might include (and thats available in stores, plastic.)
Who cares if the baneblade is in the stupid book?

 Fayric wrote:
All Imperium armies have a ridicolous amount of superheavies they can legally include for any game.
Just the "baneblade box" and "Imperial knight box" offer far more options than chaos or any xenos might include (and thats available in stores, plastic.)
Who cares if the baneblade is in the stupid book?

What people are hoping for are points cost changes, because right now the bang for buck just is not there for any of the baneblade variants with exception to *maybe* the Hellhammer which is banned in all formats.

New kits are interesting, certainly the Cadians are quite long in the tooth and were nver all that great to begin with.

With all the new plastic infantry out there GW really has to up their game, offering all the special weapons, varient heads etc.

Ideally I'd like to see new Cadians, a conscript box (maybe 1 part bodies with variant heads, allowing 20 in a box) and a vet box.

But I'm not raising my hopes. After the plastic Storm Troopers were such a disappointment (only 1 of each special? no gun options?) I'm not hopeful at all.

More likely recut of Cadians with Special Weapons and that's it.

Recycling conscripts with their own troop choice would be great though.

Cadians are ok as they are, imo.
Baneblades - why would we want these in codex? Unless they are getting tweaked...
Rough Riders - would be cool.
A legit veterans kit - unless they can make them look better than those we can kitbash atm. More special weapons per pack are always welcome, though.

I'd like to see them take some cues from how Victoria Lamb put their infantry together, and give some multipart customisable kits.

If the Baneblade is a standard item on GW's shelves. it needs to be in the codex.
I know that fortifications aren't, and have a book of their own. But, this is an iconic tank, and tanks are what a lot of people play IG for.

Yeah I wouldn't mind the Baneblade (and it's other varianst, Shadowsword, Stormhammer, Hammerbane, Bladehammer, Bladeblade, etc.) going into the book.

My guess is AM/IG will get the Tau treatment.

In other words the Codex will remain as it is but new formations will buff the existing Codex.

So new Codex with formations in, or buy the new campaign supplement and get them in there.

I also predict a points drop for Baneblades and the ability to take them in squadrons in the same way you can with the Stormsurge.

I can't honestly think of any kits that need an update although wishlisting would be a new recut Cadian sprue that includes a veterans option just like Fire wrriors got with Breachers.

 aka_mythos wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Meh.

I'd rather they squat Rough Riders and move on.

I like rough riders, they just need an update. You look at historic cavalry and even when they were becoming less relevant they were elite units. Their update, they need to be kinda what vanguard are to assault marines. I just remember some of the small artwork for different regiments from the 4th ed codex... One RR regiment had Lizard/beast mounts pictured another obviously wearing something more like carapace armor with a shield. An RR update needs to be all of that.

When do you think that update will come? They were terrible in 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th edition. GW has shown no real ability to "fix" them or give them an "update. We're often way too optimistic about the reality of the situation in regards to bad units. Best option is to get rid of them since GW can't be bothered to make useful units.

I am confused by all the IG negativity. How can you keep saying that GW never gives you “nice things”? You get tons of plastic kits, hardcover books that are translated in your language even if it is not English, …

Good rules to go with those kits would be nice.

You waht now? The last thing AM got something new was...1.5 years ago? And 2 of 3 of those kits are just bad and noone uses them. Well, maybe the fluffiest of the fluffy.

I use the Taurox as a pre-Heresy Rhino stand-in for my Survivors of the Dark Age of Technology, works a whole lot better than the original rules.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I am confused by all the IG negativity. How can you keep saying that GW never gives you “nice things”? You get tons of plastic kits, hardcover books that are translated in your language even if it is not English, …

Are you seriously saying that "translated books" is something GW is gracing us with? Pretty sure that's simply a reality given the entire world doesn't speak English. Also, hardback books aren't a benefit.. they were forced on us and raised prices on the books.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I am confused by all the IG negativity. How can you keep saying that GW never gives you “nice things”? You get tons of plastic kits, hardcover books that are translated in your language even if it is not English, …

Because IG are supposed to represent the people of the Imperium, the very people they fight to protect. A massive, versitile force.

And right now they are out-charactered by their own tanks, and the basic troop kits are old enough to start learning to drive soon.

But yes being able to bludgeon someone with my rulebook is a benefit when my army is losing.

 Buttery Commissar wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I am confused by all the IG negativity. How can you keep saying that GW never gives you “nice things”? You get tons of plastic kits, hardcover books that are translated in your language even if it is not English, …

Because IG are supposed to represent the people of the Imperium, the very people they fight to protect. A massive, versitile force.

And right now they are out-charactered by their own tanks, and the basic troop kits are old enough to start learning to drive soon.

But yes being able to bludgeon someone with my rulebook is a benefit when my army is losing.

Admittedly, the two basic Guard infantry kits are about the only current kits that are even worse off than the basic Chaos Marine kit. Only the Berserker kit is older, and like the Guard kits, is missing almost all of it's basic options!

 Kirasu wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I am confused by all the IG negativity. How can you keep saying that GW never gives you “nice things”? You get tons of plastic kits, hardcover books that are translated in your language even if it is not English, …

Are you seriously saying that "translated books" is something GW is gracing us with? Pretty sure that's simply a reality given the entire world doesn't speak English. Also, hardback books aren't a benefit.. they were forced on us and raised prices on the books.

Hybrid plays SoB. Their codex is only in English and isn't even a proper, physical book!

CragHack wrote:
You waht now? The last thing AM got something new was...1.5 years ago? And 2 of 3 of those kits are just bad and noone uses them. Well, maybe the fluffiest of the fluffy.

That's the only time AM got anything.

What the IG need is a return of the way to run different regiments, for the First and Only would love to come back to the service of the Emperor.

I suppose the baneblade and perhaps the other variants will be included both for fluff reasons and for formation building purpose.

It would be nice to see a fortress of arrogance entry for affordable points.


Another question is if Tempestus still get their own codex or just get a formation and/or campaign rules.

Oh, great. One less army my Orks can win against

Now seriously, I hope the Guard shines again. You IG players have been in the shadow for far too long.

 Buttery Commissar wrote:
I'd like to see them take some cues from how Victoria Lamb put their infantry together, and give some multipart customisable kits.

Yes, a thousand times. Modular, customizable infantry has been in my wishlist for decades now. That, and a redesigned Leman Russ, and I'll probably be getting some guardsmen to go with my AdmMech and Dark Angels. I doubt the former will happen, though, as current GW releases put an emphasis on fine detail over poseability and customization, probably to ward off third-party bit makers. But hey, a man can dream...

If they keep everything the way it is now but fix the ordinance thing on LRs/give LRs and variants buffs/points reductions ill be a happy camper.

 ultimentra wrote:


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What people are hoping for are points cost changes, because right now the bang for buck just is not there for any of the baneblade variants with exception to *maybe* the Hellhammer which is banned in all formats.

Banned? Why is the Hellhammer banned in all formats? It's the coolest of the variants! :/


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StraightSilver wrote:
My guess is AM/IG will get the Tau treatment.

In other words the Codex will remain as it is but new formations will buff the existing Codex.

So new Codex with formations in, or buy the new campaign supplement and get them in there.

I also predict a points drop for Baneblades and the ability to take them in squadrons in the same way you can with the Stormsurge.

I can't honestly think of any kits that need an update although wishlisting would be a new recut Cadian sprue that includes a veterans option just like Fire wrriors got with Breachers.

I'd LOVE to run Hellhammers in squadrons!

CragHack wrote:
You waht now? The last thing AM got something new was...1.5 years ago?

Well, it seems to me that not so long ago, only marines had the luck to have such a short time to wait between codecies as one and a half year. I mean, I remember Dark Eldars' 12 years gap. Have I become so out of touch that now 18 months seems like an eternity?

 Kirasu wrote:
Are you seriously saying that "translated books" is something GW is gracing us with? Pretty sure that's simply a reality given the entire world doesn't speak English. Also, hardback books aren't a benefit.. they were forced on us and raised prices on the books.

Be careful what you wish for. Be very, very careful. You get to choose between hardback and softback physical books, in your own language, do you? Well, that sure is better than being limited to untranslated digital-only books.

Experiment 626 wrote:
Admittedly, the two basic Guard infantry kits are about the only current kits that are even worse off than the basic Chaos Marine kit. Only the Berserker kit is older, and like the Guard kits, is missing almost all of it's basic options!

What are you talking about? I am pretty sure I can name a whole lot of older models.

I am not sure about the rules, I do not really know them, but in term of releases and models, Imperial Guard seems on par with Orks, or Chaos. Kind of average. Do not get me wrong, I think new kits for the basic infantry would be nice, and stuff to allow both in rules and models to represent better the HUGE diversity of the Imperial Guard, which puts the astartes's diversity to shame, would be great. But reading that thread, one would get the impression that IG are extremely badly treated by GW, which just does not seem to be the case.

C'mon plastic Kasrkin.

IG never get anything good

Well I guess we know who didn't play in 5th edition now.

You know, the edition where we stomped almost nonstop. Back when vendettas were like 130pts and had full transport capacity.