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I wonder if there won't be a lot more miniatures in the AoS list soon.

Let's say that, totally hypothetically, a Grand Alliance Death book were to be released soon. And let's say that it would, once again totally hypothetically, only contain 35 Warscrolls... wouldn't that be very low compared to the amount of VC+TK models existing? Wouldn't that hint at a lot of them disappearing soon?

Binabik15 wrote:
It shouldn't be legal to discontinue a good ol' Brian Nelson Ork.

You are correct, I've been pondering for some time and the recent orks lack... 'soul' to them, they have an odd artificial shape to their faces that makes them look inorganic.

Wulfson_40K wrote:
I wonder if there won't be a lot more miniatures in the AoS list soon.

Let's say that, totally hypothetically, a Grand Alliance Death book were to be released soon. And let's say that it would, once again totally hypothetically, only contain 35 Warscrolls... wouldn't that be very low compared to the amount of VC+TK models existing? Wouldn't that hint at a lot of them disappearing soon?

There are currently 71 items in the grand alliance death section on the GW website. 34 are fine cast, there are 3 bundles, and two PDFs. If we remove all of those that leaves 32. I would also expect the tomb King skeletons, horses and chariots to eventually go as well. I am extremely curious if there will be any new minis with this hypothetical release.

By the way, of the 8 items in the last AOS chance to buy section 5 have already sold out. It is just the battalions and the skaven slings left.

The UK page also has the Broodlord on it.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Tehy've added a Last Chance section to 40k

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Warhammer-40-000?N=102352+4294965264&Nu=product.repositoryId&qty=12&sorting=rec&view=table&categoryId=cat440130a-flat

Tau Infiltration Cadre and Shadow Force Solaq (both bundles so nothing lost) and this old friend...

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Ork-Warboss-with-Attack-Squig

Ah, that ork is so good. He will be missed!

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:

Binabik15 wrote:
It shouldn't be legal to discontinue a good ol' Brian Nelson Ork.

You are correct, I've been pondering for some time and the recent orks lack... 'soul' to them, they have an odd artificial shape to their faces that makes them look inorganic.

The faces are too angular, compared to Nelson's perfectly orky ones, true, and some sod keeps trying to give them noses, and not proper face holes. But part of it is also the new painting, with very harsh highlights, too. Still vastly prefer a Nelson sculpt to anything else. Just train these guys to copy him!

It's a shame that they decided to just axe the forsaken box instead of making it cheaper. I would totally buy it if it was 10 dollars less solely for the conversion bits. But 60 bucks for what is essentially a bitzbox is...kinda hard to fork over up front.

Shame about the Ork Warboss being discontinued, never got him but he was always a kickass model to see. Pretty sure he'll be replaced by a re-release of Grukk, which is okay but not a classic like the one with the attack squig.

They really shouldn't be axing these awesome sculpts... :/

 Grimskul wrote:
Shame about the Ork Warboss being discontinued, never got him but he was always a kickass model to see. Pretty sure he'll be replaced by a re-release of Grukk, which is okay but not a classic like the one with the attack squig.

Very much this. I like everything about the Grukk model apart from his daft, cartoony face, which I think is too much of a departure from Nelson's visionary depiction of an Ork Warboss.

Some of the newer sculpts (Grukk & the Painboy spring to mind) worry me about the direction they might take the Ork aesthetic but then again, there's been some bad sculpts around for a while (Tankbustas/Kommandos).

Does anyone know what Brian Nelson is up to these days?

 NidLifeCrisis wrote:

 Grimskul wrote:
Shame about the Ork Warboss being discontinued, never got him but he was always a kickass model to see. Pretty sure he'll be replaced by a re-release of Grukk, which is okay but not a classic like the one with the attack squig.

Very much this. I like everything about the Grukk model apart from his daft, cartoony face, which I think is too much of a departure from Nelson's visionary depiction of an Ork Warboss.

Some of the newer sculpts (Grukk & the Painboy spring to mind) worry me about the direction they might take the Ork aesthetic but then again, there's been some bad sculpts around for a while (Tankbustas/Kommandos).

Does anyone know what Brian Nelson is up to these days?

I wish GW would take a page out of Relic's Ork design with making the bigger Orks look more menacing and badass instead of their current design which is slightly goofy and dull. GW's sculpts have fairly round and bland face while the Relic design is more pointy (more teef) and angry looking. The Warbosses and to a lesser extent the Nobz have way more bulk than GW's body sculpts. I love my Warboss with Squig but he could do with a 20% increase in bulk as he is barely bigger than a nob for the Nobz box. The Kromlech Juggernaut Orc is the size a Mega Armored Warboss should be compared to the size of the Ghazz sculpt. The latest sculpts have been hit or miss with the Meganobz being decently good but the Painboy looks rather silly.

 Vankraken wrote:
The latest sculpts have been hit or miss with the Meganobz being decently good but the Painboy looks rather silly.

The Painboy is actually pretty awesome, provided you simply use another ork head. Almost every ork head I test fitted looked better (markedly less herp, at least half the derp), than that stupid gurning one that came with him.

IMO, Grukk is a better model than this one (even though thsi one is pretty cool too). Now, if they could make a plastic warboss in Mega Armour :(

I still have that Ork Warboss along with the one pointing a 'uge choppa. Some of the first GW minis I ever got as a kid. Really sad to see him go, but wow at $22.25 I'm not surprised if no one is buying it.

Will be interesting to see how much fantasy stuff gets dumped eventually. I think there is a lot of trimming left to do since the conversion from WHFB to AoS. Hopefully my Wood Elves stay safe!

Binabik15 wrote:
It shouldn't be legal to discontinue a good ol' Brian Nelson Ork. From when GW did good Ork heads and not those...things in the newer kits that are all flat and rectangular and pointy. Urgh.

I beg to politely disagree, with your permission - the new heads look much better.


-Cryton

Agreed on the orks and orcs alike.

The Auld Grump

A quick google search turned up this old White Dwarf article about Brian Nelson and the makeover that the Orks went through around the time of Gorkamorka:

http://gorkamorka.co.uk/uploads/the-life-of-brian.pdf

I love how his desk set-up looks just like my own! Right down to the cup of tea (standard English Breakfast, no doubt) sitting there, probably stone cold. Perhaps there's hope for me yet!

A good chunk of the Tomb Kings were just added

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Warhammer?Nao=12&Nu=product.repositoryId&N=102351+4294965308+4294965258&qty=12&sorting=rec&view=table&categoryId=cat440002a-flat

Including some major plastic kits.

I see the free Tomb Kings warscrolls for AoS are at the end of the list, which seems a bit unusual. No more minis to buy for TK, no more rules for you to play your existing TK in current games?

Starting to agree with Dendarien. I'm wondering what I might have to panic-buy sooner or later.

Huh. And when you click on half the TK stuff, it's already sold out.

Wow - some of those Tomb King kits are only a few years old even.

RIP Tomb Kings.

Not really a Tomb Kings fan - but I know it's just a matter of time until something I liked is discontinued too.

Yeah, pretty big blow to the Tomb Kings players, and GW fans in general. No-one is safe... I mean, a lot of people foresaw a Fantasy army being "squatted" - and, fair enough to them, I always disagreed - but I think most people saw Beastmen and/or Bretonnia going before Tomb Kings, if they even saw Tomb Kings going at all.

This genuinely saddens me...

Wow. Lots people jumping on the of Tomb Kings stuff. Much of it is "no longer available".

A real shame it was a solid line with some creative stuff in there.

And one of the very few non-European fantasy armies around from any company.

Non european? How do you know. The warhammer world was created by Europeans and the tomb kings aren't egyptian... they are tomb kings. They may be European skeletons... but thanks for repeating the racist comment in multiple threads.

I think it's just sad as the tomb kings had so much unique flavor. They had much more visual appeal than many other warhammer armies. They were my favorite army besides lizardmen, and I never played fantasy (I play aos now). Luckily I purchased a large used tomb kings lot on ebay last year. I think I successfully got one of everything Now, so I could actually play fantasy with them now that the game is dead lol (or have a massive aos army).

Gw you made me sad... very sad. The tomb kings, lizardmen, skaven, and beast men are the most unique fantasy armies out there... many other companies sell fantasy men armies, chaos, demons, orks, and elf models. Lizardmen, mummies, rats, beastly things? Not so much.

I'm pretty sure Kid_Kyoto meant that the Tomb Kings aesthetic is based on non-european historic civilizations. As opposed to for example the Empire or Bretonnia which obviously draws it's inspiration from European history and folklore.

Quite a shame. Tk was a unique army with nice models. If they were unpopular it's probably due to them
having a very weak rule set for many years, as opposed to VC, who are always strong. Now we are stuck with the lame, boring undead faction.

 455_PWR wrote:
Non european? How do you know. The warhammer world was created by Europeans and the tomb kings aren't egyptian... they are tomb kings. They may be European skeletons... but thanks for repeating the racist comment in multiple threads.

Racist?? Care to support that baseless assertion with some evidence and actual logic? Very little in GW's Warhammer ranges is original. They've always been heavily inspired by and based on pop culture references and real world history.

The Tomb Kings are inspired by Ancient Eqyptians.
Brettonnians are inspired by Medieval European Knights.
The Empire...the late Holy Roman Empire (Germany).
Lizardmen...Aztecs.

And so on.

LOL! "Racist comment". Ah man that's the best thing I've read all day.

I mean to be both so wrong and to so completely miss what the Kid was getting at? HA!

Its also a bit out of left field, isn't it? I mean, you and I get insulted and labelled as racist for holding unpopular opinions from time to time, but this is the first time I've ever heard Kid Kyoto called a racist.

Haven't you guys heard? These days EVERYTHING is racist.

 jonolikespie wrote:
Haven't you guys heard? These days EVERYTHING is racist.

Guys? Stop arbitrarily assigning genders to us, you sexist!

Back on topic. Squatting the old whfb armies in favour of the new sigmar armies will only guarantee that I never start collecting their fantasy miniatures. I never got round to it because I couldn't afford a third game system (I have 40k space Marines and a metric feth ton of LOTR and Hobbit) but I always did like some of the warhammer fantasy races like Wood Elves, Vampire Counts and Tomb Kings. So there was always the possibility of one day starting with whfb.

But I HATE the new Sigmar factions and if that's it now, then I'm ruled out as a potential customer for good.

Edit: my Raven Guard army is complete, I planned it out to about 4000pts and decided that was enough. If I ever want allies, there are plenty of 3rd party miniatures I can use as proxies and cheap 2nd hand 6th ed rulebooks on eBay. (I stopped buying books at 6th ed). None of my friend have moved on to 7th either.

So its just LOTR and Hobbit now. LOTR was my first love, and I'm going back to it. I'm also using my LOTR and hobbit stuff for dungeons and dragons.