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Gathering the Informations.

HoundsofDemos wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
HoundsofDemos wrote:
I prefer the system we have now where they are all separate books.

As for deathwatch they would need at most one unit entry. As is you can represent them well with sternguard and there is a formation that lets you take nothing but sternguard to ally them in with a xenos Inquisitor. The IOM ally system makes combining them back together redundant.

Have you read the Deathwatch RPGs?

"One unit entry" is far from what they can be, it's just what the old strictly GW fluff has done. Sternguard are an okay representation of them, assuming you stick strictly to the old fluff--and even then you're not getting a great representation since the only thing that is Deathwatch-y about them is SIA.

Deathwatch has Terminators, Dreadnoughts, even Scout Squads of veteran Brothers. Hell the Deathwatch even has what amounts to "Lone Wolves" in the form of Kill-Marines.


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 Furyou Miko wrote:
Lance845 wrote:
I think a single inquisition book with GK, Inq, and Sisters would be really good idea. DW should be a different thing, probably better a part of codex space marines instead of anything else.


Why? Deathwatch really are categorically an Inquisitional unit. Even more than Grey Knights, if any other force belongs in an Inquisition codex, it's the Deathwatch.

The Deathwatch and Grey Knights are Chambers Militant for the Inquisition, not falling directly under the command of an Inquisitor unless they choose to do so.


I've read them but this game doesn't need more marine units.

Get over it. Some people like the Imperium of Man actually having lots of options rather than just "lulz, play Space Marines because your Space Marines aren't speshul".
   
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Let me be blunt.

Do you play army X as a stand alone army.?
-> yes, that is nice you can have an opinion about it.
-> No, stop suggesting to take away army x from the players who actually play it. It angers them.

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I would much rather have an Imperial Agents Codex which included the Inquisiton, Arbites, Rogue Traders, etc

Lots of options for all of these and 10-20 named characters from BL

Deathwatch Kill team maybe but not Grey Knights or Sororitas in this codex

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Nope.

The main issue I find with a combined codex is that people would not run a themed force. They would just cherry-pick units and it would look like a convoluted mess from a fluff standpoint, unless GW did something major to force or give the incentive to play a themed force imo.

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 happygolucky wrote:
Nope.

unless GW did something major to force or give the incentive to play a themed force imo.


That's what formations are for. Thank you all for the feedback. I always find it interesting in these "yay" or "nay" style polls that it's always the dissenting opinions that post more frequently. Like I said, I know this idea isn't perfect (like GW would ever do it anyway). I'm just sharing something I came up with while bored at work last week.

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 EnTyme wrote:
I couldn't decide if I should put this in Proposed Rules or General Discussion, MODs feel free to move this thread if necessary.

I've been thinking about creating an "Inquisitorial Delta Force" style army of Grey Knights, Adepta Soriritas, and Deathwatch Marines led by an Inquisitor. I then realized that this could make an excellent codex! I know that Grey Knights players may not like the idea of not having their own codex anymore, but I think that this would greatly benefit the SoB armies and Inquisition that have outstanding lore (some of the best in the game, if you ask me), but have been more or less abandoned on the tabletop by GW. Deathwatch would be a good way to round out the force.

HQ choices would be either Inquisitors or the HQs from the various subfactions. Each HQ would have his associated subfaction (the three Ordos Majoris) and a non-named Inquisitor model could choose which Ordo he belongs to. By default, infantry units fall under the force org slots appropriate for the models. For example GK Paladins are Elite, and in this codex, so are GK Terminators. GK Strike Squads are still Troops. However, each unit choice also has an associated Ordo, and certain units (like GK Terminators) may be taken as Troops by an HQ with the same Ordo. I would also like to see a new Inquisition troop choice in the form of an Acolyte Cadre (similar stats to Chaos Cultists) that is highly customizable.

The entire GK and SoB codices would be transferred to the new Codex: Inquisition and updated to 7.5 ed. and several SM units could be taken as Deathwatch (at least Tacs, Assault Marines, and Devs along with Terminators, Rhinos, Razorbacks, Landraiders, and maybe Predators and Whirlwinds). Ordo Hereticus units receive Preferred Enemy (Psyker, Chaos), Ordo Maleus get Preferred Enemy (Demons), Ordo Xenos get Preferred Enemy (Xenos).

I haven't thought much about the unique formations, but I think this would be a good start.


I think Inquisition could work. GK and Sisters are kind of half-baked armies IMO, and they'd really shine if they were fit into an Inquisition Codex. I would throw in Militarum Tempestus as well

Couple GK options as retinue, elites, heavy support. Sisters as troops and fast attack. Sprinkle in assassins and scions and you've got a pretty cool and dynamic force. You could divide up some of the options, have a unique GK unit for Malleus detachments, a unique Scion unit for Xenos, Sisters for Hereticus, with the bonuses as you mention above as well.

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I'd be against it. Unless the uber-mega-codex remained $60, it would be overpriced with plenty of rules for units I have no interest in, while gutting the fluff in the books which is the only justification I can think of for buying Codices to begin with.

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Please No. I don't want to have to take any kind of weird tax unit to take an Inquisitor. Grey Knights and Sisters are not closely linked, why would sisters be troops in order to run a grey knight CAD? It's not a cool and dynamic forces it's an army of that spits on the background. Grey Knights rarely work with anyone and usually kill anyone who is left when the dust settles.


If you want a book that simply contains sisters, grey knights, assassins and Inquisition with the option to take any of those four with no forced tax units from any I might be on board just to cut down on books.

I would be 100 percent against what we had in 5th where I have to take tax units to take an assassin or Inquisitor with my marines. It makes no sense and prevents themed lists from making sense. Why would every inquisitor in the universe come grey knight strike squad or a sisters unit.
   
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I don't think I explained this well enough as people keep going back to the idea of these force all being in the same formation. There MAY be ONE detachment in the book that uses units from two or more Ordos, but each Ordo would have it's own detachment/formations. This is just an example off the top of my head:

Purgation Crusade

1 Canoness
0-2 Sisters Repentia
2-8 Battle Sister Squads
1-3 Seraphim Squads
0-2 Penitent Engines

With them all being part of the same codex, you could CHOOSE to take GKs along with Sisters or Deathwatch.

Maybe that will clear up what I meant.

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But I can do that now via allies. All this does is make me buy a new book.
   
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Gathering the Informations.

 EnTyme wrote:
I don't think I explained this well enough as people keep going back to the idea of these force all being in the same formation. There MAY be ONE detachment in the book that uses units from two or more Ordos, but each Ordo would have it's own detachment/formations. This is just an example off the top of my head:

Purgation Crusade

1 Canoness
0-2 Sisters Repentia
2-8 Battle Sister Squads
1-3 Seraphim Squads
0-2 Penitent Engines

With them all being part of the same codex, you could CHOOSE to take GKs along with Sisters or Deathwatch.

Maybe that will clear up what I meant.

If I want to field Deathwatch or Sisters of Battle or Grey Knights, I don't want to have to pay $58 for a book containing two armies I'm not interested in fielding.
   
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Doesn't really need doing. The foc for inquisition is one inquisitor. If you want a malleus inquisitor to go with Gk, you can. Sob need a hereticus inquisitor to guide them? No problem. As soon as rules land for deathwatch (easily substituted presently with sternguard) the xenos inquisitor will be back in good company. Sorry if I sound negative on your idea, I just don't think it really changes or adds anything that the allies matrix or unbound doesn't already offer.

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How would you like it if we combined necrons with tyranid. Into one big codex.

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 oldzoggy wrote:
@EnTyme

How would you like it if we combined necrons with tyranid. Into one big codex.


I'd be deeply confused.

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@EnTyme

How would you like it if we combined necrons with tyranid. Into one big codex.


I'd be deeply confused.


Pretty much how Sisters players felt at your suggestion, then. With a little bit of offended, because we are Sisters players, and anything that does not love the Emperor offends us.



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 oldzoggy wrote:
Let me be blunt.

Do you play army X as a stand alone army.?
-> yes, that is nice you can have an opinion about it.
-> No, stop suggesting to take away army x from the players who actually play it. It angers them.


If it's done right you wouldn't lose the option of playing the army you liked. That said, given that this is GW, I think it's pretty obvious how it would be done.

I was hoping after the 5th edition Grey Knights codex we would see all of the inquisition forces put into one larger book, similar to the 6th/7th edition space marine books. Unfortunately, they split the book back up.

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If it's done right you wouldn't lose the option of playing the army you liked.


Try to tell that to Black templars

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 Furyou Miko wrote:
 EnTyme wrote:
 oldzoggy wrote:
@EnTyme

How would you like it if we combined necrons with tyranid. Into one big codex.


I'd be deeply confused.


Pretty much how Sisters players felt at your suggestion, then. With a little bit of offended, because we are Sisters players, and anything that does not love the Emperor offends us.


You seem to be taking this personally for some reason. As I said in an earlier post, ideally, the Sisters would get an update and their own codex. They need an update in both their rules and their model line. Badly. Unfortunately, Games Workshop seems to be run by twelve chimpanzees flinging excrement at a chalkboard to decide which codex to release next. Something like this combined codex may cause GW to reissue SoB models. Then we as players could use our purchasing power to show them that there is profit to be made in the outdated army. The same can be said of the Inquisition. I love the Sisters and their lore. As much as you seem to want to deny it, the Adepta Sororitas often work closely with the Ordo Hereticus to eliminate threats to the Imperium. The Grey Knights and Deathwatch would also fit into the Forces of the Inquisition theme. That is why it makes sense to combine them into own codex if even for just one game edition.

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They're taking it personally because your suggestion seems to take a big steaming dump on their fluff. Sisters players are abused enough as it is, they won't take kindly to being shoved back into an omnibus codex where they don't belong (and where GW would no doubt pervert their options and fluff even further a la Black Templars).

The three Ordos don't cooperate often enough to need to be in a single CAD or formation, and the Sisters aren't even part of the Inquisition. No reason to lump it all back into one book. The Inquisition and their various allies and chambers militant work perfectly well as a CAD plus Allied detachment, or formations, or unbound, drawn from separate dexes and mini dexes.

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 oldzoggy wrote:
If it's done right you wouldn't lose the option of playing the army you liked.


Try to tell that to Black templars


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 EnTyme wrote:
 Furyou Miko wrote:
 EnTyme wrote:
 oldzoggy wrote:
@EnTyme

How would you like it if we combined necrons with tyranid. Into one big codex.


I'd be deeply confused.


Pretty much how Sisters players felt at your suggestion, then. With a little bit of offended, because we are Sisters players, and anything that does not love the Emperor offends us.


You seem to be taking this personally for some reason. As I said in an earlier post, ideally, the Sisters would get an update and their own codex. They need an update in both their rules and their model line. Badly. Unfortunately, Games Workshop seems to be run by twelve chimpanzees flinging excrement at a chalkboard to decide which codex to release next. Something like this combined codex may cause GW to reissue SoB models. Then we as players could use our purchasing power to show them that there is profit to be made in the outdated army. The same can be said of the Inquisition. I love the Sisters and their lore. As much as you seem to want to deny it, the Adepta Sororitas often work closely with the Ordo Hereticus to eliminate threats to the Imperium. The Grey Knights and Deathwatch would also fit into the Forces of the Inquisition theme. That is why it makes sense to combine them into own codex if even for just one game edition.


You seem to have missed my point entirely. Combining Sisters with Inquisition would be like combining necrons and tyranids into one book on a conceptual level.

Sure, both 'crons and 'nids at one point were all-consuming plagues that just wanted to kill everything... but that's not enough to form a working relationship, you know?

The situation between the Adepta Sororitas and the Ordo Hereticus is perfectly represented by the current rules - they're organisations who work to similar ends, and are allied, but are completely distinct organisations.

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