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2016/05/31 09:19:48
Subject: Would you play an unbound opponent?
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Stealthy Warhound Titan Princeps
Phoenix, AZ, USA
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Yes, I would play against unbound. Unbound is just an army without benefits or an FoC, which makes it weaker than most battle forged armies.
SJ
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2016/05/31 09:27:36
Subject: Would you play an unbound opponent?
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Tunneling Trygon
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oldzoggy wrote:Just out of curiosity what unbound list would one not accept?
Eldar Scatbikes, White Scar Grav Command Squads on bikes, TWC and two Flyrants. I would not play against that list. Cherry picking the best units possible from whatever codex just for a gaming advantage.
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2016/05/31 09:46:00
Subject: Would you play an unbound opponent?
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Douglas Bader
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oldzoggy wrote:Just out of curiosity what unbound list would one not accept?
Tau fireblade HQ spam. At 60 points each you can fit 33 of them in a 2000 point army. Attach them all into a single unit of fire warriors and you can get 1300+ pulse rifle shots. It's a one-dimensional gimmick army that is either going to table you effortlessly or die in one turn.
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2016/05/31 09:52:01
Subject: Would you play an unbound opponent?
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Lord of the Fleet
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Peregrine wrote:
Tau fireblade HQ spam. At 60 points each you can fit 33 of them in a 2000 point army. Attach them all into a single unit of fire warriors and you can get 1300+ pulse rifle shots. It's a one-dimensional gimmick army that is either going to table you effortlessly or die in one turn.
That's pretty ridiculous but since special rules don't stack unless they say otherwise that doesn't work.
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SharkoutofWata wrote:
Eldar Scatbikes, White Scar Grav Command Squads on bikes, TWC and two Flyrants. I would not play against that list. Cherry picking the best units possible from whatever codex just for a gaming advantage.
The troops/ HQ tax to get that into a bound army is pretty small.
Bound list - 2K
Farseer on bike
2x5 scatter bike
Librarian on bike
2x5 command squad on bike with gravgun
2x5 scouts
Iron priest on wolf
2x3 TWC
2x5 bloodclaws
2x Flyrants
2x spores
When you can have a bound army that consists of almost anything (hello army of nothing but riptides and marker drones, I'm looking at you) I don't see the problem with most unbound armies.
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2016/05/31 10:07:11
Subject: Re:Would you play an unbound opponent?
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Dakka Veteran
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I will play unbound unless its too crazy or powerful, its A LOT better than playing against someone who wrote their own codex, I cant handle that stuff
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2016/05/31 10:32:37
Subject: Re:Would you play an unbound opponent?
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Locked in the Tower of Amareo
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Ah when unbound first came it was all buzz and hate and "world is going to end!"...
...Now you are handicapping yourself if you DO unbound
Ah how the life is funny.
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2016/05/31 10:57:42
Subject: Would you play an unbound opponent?
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Krazed Killa Kan
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If a friend wanted to try to play a fun game with 20 psykers because it would be silly then sure. If im playing a typical pick up game with somebody I don't know very well or in a competitive setting then I would want their army to be battle forged (or whatever its called).
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2016/05/31 11:03:54
Subject: Would you play an unbound opponent?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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SharkoutofWata wrote: oldzoggy wrote:Just out of curiosity what unbound list would one not accept? Eldar Scatbikes, White Scar Grav Command Squads on bikes, TWC and two Flyrants. I would not play against that list. Cherry picking the best units possible from whatever codex just for a gaming advantage. Have you ever in your life seen a casual player who would actually show up with such a list and would not show up with a nightmare list if he was forced to go battle-forged ? I Automatically Appended Next Post: Vankraken wrote:If a friend wanted to try to play a fun game with 20 psykers because it would be silly then sure. If im playing a typical pick up game with somebody I don't know very well or in a competitive setting then I would want their army to be battle forged (or whatever its called). You don't have to go unbound for that. There are so many ways to do that in bound with at least IG, SM, DA, SW, CSM, Deamons, Eldar and Inquisition that I know of
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2016/05/31 14:22:33
Subject: Would you play an unbound opponent?
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Warning From Magnus? Not Listening!
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oldzoggy wrote: Vankraken wrote:If a friend wanted to try to play a fun game with 20 psykers because it would be silly then sure. If im playing a typical pick up game with somebody I don't know very well or in a competitive setting then I would want their army to be battle forged (or whatever its called).
You don't have to go unbound for that.
There are so many ways to do that in bound with at least IG, SM, DA, SW, CSM, Deamons, Eldar and Inquisition that I know of
Yeah just spam Librarius Conclaves (or their equivelants)
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2016/05/31 14:30:37
Subject: Re:Would you play an unbound opponent?
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Crushing Black Templar Crusader Pilot
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Reavas wrote:I will play unbound unless its too crazy or powerful, its A LOT better than playing against someone who wrote their own codex, I cant handle that stuff Coming from someone who's doing exactly that (I'm effectively trying to write C: SM 7.5th Ed + a BT Supplement), it is very hard and require a lot of thought and play-testing. The only problem with a vast majority of them is they get stumped by something; usually one of the following: -- Never gets the motivation to get it completed; -- Never gets play-tested balanced properly (if at all); -- The writer doesn't care enough about creating a good rule set. Though in all honesty, I do agree with you: Unbound over fan-dex any day of the week usually for the incompleteness and complete lack of balance and/or interest in thereof.
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2016/05/31 14:40:03
Subject: Would you play an unbound opponent?
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Perfect Shot Dark Angels Predator Pilot
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So, as previously observed, there's no reason to run that list as an Unbound list. Break up the Scout Squad, and you've got an FOC.
The poll needs a "Depends" option. If someone told me they wanted to play an Unbound list, I'd ask to see it before answering yes or no. If' it's just all Wraithknights, or a cherry-picking of the best units from unrelated dexes, I'd tell the guy to pound sand. If it's something thematic, I'd play it. But then, I didn't need GW to include Unbound in the main rules to be willing to do that.
That said, I really prefer playing and playing against lists that are primarily Troops. My group plays with a 40% Troops requirement (formations or not), because Troops are supposed to be the most numerous units available to each faction. It also forces list-making decisions that actually make lists more interesting to play against. If you came at me with a Knight, three flyers, and a minimal investment in Scouts as your Troops tax, I'd be disinclined to play you based on that, not on whether or not it was Unbound.
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2016/05/31 14:51:59
Subject: Would you play an unbound opponent?
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Fixture of Dakka
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Generally speaking yes I would but I do prefer Bound lists. I won't play Unbound if it's made just for cheese or if you're acting like a donkey cave. (Then I won't play you at all)
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2016/05/31 15:46:04
Subject: Would you play an unbound opponent?
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Ancient Chaos Terminator
Surfing the Tervigon Wave...on a baby.
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I have to say it's really depending on the list and really...if you have a theme or not.
Kult of Speed, Assault Company, Tyranid Winged Swarms or Nidzilla all are thematic approaches that really require it to be unbound if you want to do it right.
Same with themed games or battles.
But if you're the guy who literally shows up with the pick of the power units for stacked cheddar then no.
Simples.
But then, I'd turn away a bound opponent who clearly was in it for nothing more than cheese. I don't find it fun. I don't find watching my CSM or Tyranids get rolled by FotM Scatbike Eldar or Tau enjoyable because you happened to win the Codex creep lottery.
But that's just a general principle. It's a game. Play to enjoy it.
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2016/05/31 16:10:19
Subject: Would you play an unbound opponent?
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Auspicious Aspiring Champion of Chaos
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usmcmidn wrote:Knight Titan
Stormraven
Stormtalon x2
10 terminators
10 Devestators
10 Scouts
1 tech marine
3 servitors
1 chapter master
2000 point list
That could easily be a battleforged list:
CAD
HQ - Chapter Master
HQ - Tech Marine + Servitors
Troops - Scouts x2 5-man squads
Elites - Termies
HS - Devastators
Storm Wing
Storm Raven
Storm Talon x2
Oathsworn Detachment
Knight Titan
If someone is giving you hell for running Unbound, remind them that you are actually giving up ObSec on the scouts and Strafing Run on the Storm Raven, but you'd be happy to take the free rules back if they insist on being a dick.
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2000 Khorne Bloodbound (Skullfiend Tribe- Aqshy)
1000 Tzeentch Arcanites (Pyrofane Cult - Hysh) in progress
2000 Slaves to Darkness (Ravagers)
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2016/05/31 16:23:41
Subject: Would you play an unbound opponent?
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Trustworthy Shas'vre
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anyone else find it funny how GW put constraints on what is considered to be unbound? (Looking at tower defense)
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2016/05/31 16:26:12
Subject: Would you play an unbound opponent?
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Stitch Counter
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Unbound? No...I love to play bound and gagged opponents
In all seriousness though, I *prefer* bound but I'll play anyone as long as they aren't being super-boring bringing 5 Riptides and other tasteless lists.
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Thousand Sons: 3850pts / Space Marines Deathwatch 5000pts / Dark Eldar Webway Corsairs 2000pts / Scrapheap Challenged Orks 1500pts / Black Death 1500pts
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2016/05/31 16:27:16
Subject: Would you play an unbound opponent?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Wulfmar wrote:Unbound? No...I love to play bound and gagged opponents.
But how are they going to reach around the table?
Considering the practically infinite variety allowed by unbound, it seems really arbitrary to point blank refuse to play any unbound list.
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2016/05/31 16:41:52
Subject: Would you play an unbound opponent?
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Hooded Inquisitorial Interrogator
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My answer would be "Yes but it depends what they take" if there was an option for it. There's nothing at all wrong with Unbound in principle, as long it's not abused it's a perfectly fine way to build an army. There are plenty of abusive non-Unbound armies and the same principle applies; if you take an anti-social list, I won't play you, doesn't matter if it's Unbound or not.
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2016/05/31 16:45:03
Subject: Would you play an unbound opponent?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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I'd consider it, but I would like to see a list before agreeing. "I'm running Tau with IG. They are part of a lost colony that was re-discovered by the Imperium." Cool. "My Inquisitor has teamed up with an Eldar Farseer to lead a strike team of Chaos Space Marines and Tyranids." Go shoot yourself. With a hammer.
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2016/05/31 19:24:52
Subject: Would you play an unbound opponent?
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Douglas Bader
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Scott-S6 wrote:That's pretty ridiculous but since special rules don't stack unless they say otherwise that doesn't work.
There is no such rule, and it works.
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There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices. |
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2016/05/31 19:28:14
Subject: Would you play an unbound opponent?
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Terminator with Assault Cannon
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Peregrine wrote: Scott-S6 wrote:That's pretty ridiculous but since special rules don't stack unless they say otherwise that doesn't work.
There is no such rule, and it works.
Consult FAQ drafts. It's why Cursed Earth can't be stacked.
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2016/05/31 19:49:54
Subject: Would you play an unbound opponent?
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Mekboy on Kustom Deth Kopta
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depends on the unbound army, I would nto have a problem with what you posted, but a person bringing say 4 fully kitted wulfen squads with librarian conclaves to points max... might pass on that
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2016/05/31 19:50:08
Subject: Would you play an unbound opponent?
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Enigmatic Chaos Sorcerer
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100% depends on why they play Unbound. If it's a cool/interesting army concept they have that makes sense in the background material, then sure. If it's some cheeseweasel who wants to run 2-3 deathstars with a Knight or two for good measure, then not so much.
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2016/05/31 20:24:30
Subject: Would you play an unbound opponent?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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G00fySmiley wrote:depends on the unbound army, I would nto have a problem with what you posted, but a person bringing say 4 fully kitted wulfen squads with librarian conclaves to points max... might pass on that
I love it how all I am not going to play against that cheese are perfect examples of bound lists : P
This is just one Wulfen Murderpack formation + a Lib conclave formation.
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2016/05/31 20:42:04
Subject: Would you play an unbound opponent?
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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Peregrine wrote: Scott-S6 wrote:That's pretty ridiculous but since special rules don't stack unless they say otherwise that doesn't work.
There is no such rule, and it works.
From the main rulebook. Special Rules - A Compendium of Special Rules.
Unless specifically stated, a model cannot gain the benefit of a special rule
more than once. However, the effects of multiple different special rules are
cumulative.
So yes, there is in fact a rule that says special rules don't stack unless they say otherwise.
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2016/05/31 21:58:17
Subject: Would you play an unbound opponent?
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Lord of the Fleet
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Happyjew wrote: Peregrine wrote: Scott-S6 wrote:That's pretty ridiculous but since special rules don't stack unless they say otherwise that doesn't work.
There is no such rule, and it works.
From the main rulebook. Special Rules - A Compendium of Special Rules.
Unless specifically stated, a model cannot gain the benefit of a special rule
more than once. However, the effects of multiple different special rules are
cumulative.
So yes, there is in fact a rule that says special rules don't stack unless they say otherwise.
Exactly. You can take 100 fireblades and each firewarrior in the squad only gets +1 shot.
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2016/05/31 23:20:54
Subject: Would you play an unbound opponent?
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Fixture of Dakka
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Traditio wrote: Peregrine wrote: Scott-S6 wrote:That's pretty ridiculous but since special rules don't stack unless they say otherwise that doesn't work.
There is no such rule, and it works.
Consult FAQ drafts. It's why Cursed Earth can't be stacked.
FAQ DRAFTS mean nothing until they become official.
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2016/06/01 01:13:05
Subject: Would you play an unbound opponent?
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Douglas Bader
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Happyjew wrote:From the main rulebook. Special Rules - A Compendium of Special Rules.
Unless specifically stated, a model cannot gain the benefit of a special rule
more than once. However, the effects of multiple different special rules are
cumulative.
So yes, there is in fact a rule that says special rules don't stack unless they say otherwise.
This applies only to the USRs in that section of the rulebook.
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There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices. |
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2016/06/01 07:36:17
Subject: Would you play an unbound opponent?
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Locked in the Tower of Amareo
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oldzoggy wrote: G00fySmiley wrote:depends on the unbound army, I would nto have a problem with what you posted, but a person bringing say 4 fully kitted wulfen squads with librarian conclaves to points max... might pass on that
I love it how all I am not going to play against that cheese are perfect examples of bound lists : P
This is just one Wulfen Murderpack formation + a Lib conclave formation.
Case of people thinking being still set in the time when unbound was introduced first.
Now I'm struggling to think up unbound list that IS more powerful than most kitted out bound ones. Bonus rules tend to be better than the tax and many formations are often what you would be spamming in unbound anyway...
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2016/06/01 15:57:44
Subject: Would you play an unbound opponent?
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Storm Trooper with Maglight
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It depends.... My main issues would be in regards to superheavies and LOW... if anyone goes overkill on those it's often just not fun. Back in the day I may of even been against flyer spams.
That being said I also think my opponents would be a tad upset if I turned up with nothing but flyrants..... albeit I can put 3 in a bound force easy as pie anyway!
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