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 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
So... can you make a Stormhawk or a Blastajet with these kits, 'cause if not that's pretty gakky.

the Stormhawk is on the cover of the box! How...how could you come to any conclusion other than that you can make a Stormhawk?

@ you.

 MadCowCrazy wrote:
Why oh why! isn't it Eldar vs Necrons and Tau vs Orks?
That fits the fluff perfectly for rivalry. Has the Tau even met the Necrons? I can't recall them doing so other than with Blueberry 4chan fanfic.

They have, there's fluff of Tau trying to make peace with a Necron Tomb World and to get them to join the greater good before getting vaporised.

Even then, the area of the galaxy where the Tau live is right on the Sautek Dynasties's (The most powerful dynasty at this time). They'd be bound to meet eventually if they hadn't already.

So they make attack flyers snapshot against each other , and then make two boxes wherein attack flyers are meant to dogfight with one another. Talk about terrible rules writing and inconsistencies.

I mean, these are separate games entirely.
That argument is like saying they made Super Heavy Walkers immune to Weapon Destroyed results and because Imperial Knights: Renegade allows you to damage and destroy weapons its instantly a bad and inconsistent game.

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
I mean, these are separate games entirely.
That argument is like saying they made Super Heavy Walkers immune to Weapon Destroyed results and because Imperial Knights: Renegade allows you to damage and destroy weapons its instantly a bad and inconsistent game.

The loss of skyfire was done in order to represent that certain aircraft were unfit for air to air engagements. This box then goes against that notion by having attack flyers engage in air to air combat. What this does is imply, or denote, that air to air combat between attack flyers is common and feasible within the universe. The rules are there to represent the capabilities of the units in the universe and when those rules are inconsistent, the capabilities that those rules represent become unknown.

Both of these games take place in the same universe, and thus the rules should at least attempt to represent the universe in a cohesive manner.

 Sledgehammer wrote:
Both of these games take place in the same universe, and thus the rules should at least attempt to represent the universe in a cohesive manner.

Did the Imperial Knight Renegade boxed set also rustle your jimmies for using a completely different set of rules?

 BrookM wrote:

 Sledgehammer wrote:
Both of these games take place in the same universe, and thus the rules should at least attempt to represent the universe in a cohesive manner.

Did the Imperial Knight Renegade boxed set also rustle your jimmies for using a completely different set of rules?

Did you even read what they wrote? The problem is not different rules for different games, it's that one set of rules says "this aircraft fluff-wise is a clumsy ground attack unit that can not dogfight effectively" and the other says "this aircraft fluff-wise is a great dogfighter and should be the focus of a dogfighting game". That's a pretty major fluff inconsistency.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
So... can you make a Stormhawk or a Blastajet with these kits, 'cause if not that's pretty gakky.

The blurb underneath the Ork/ Eldar and Tau/ Necron pictures does indicate that you can build the models as you like. No mention of the Blasterjet. It doesn't seem to be that specific for the Marine box.

Still, if all you're after is a Dakkajet, team up with a buddy and avoid the extra tax just for the new sprues you don't want to use.

I am with H.B.M.C on this. A Stormtalon has no place, for reasons, in my BA army. So a Stormhawk would be great, then again it may be being used as a way to get rid of old sprues (Is the Stormhawk just based on a retooled Stormtalon sprue rather than an additional sprue?).

The Storm Talon is an additional sprue and from the look of the description is sadly not included.

Cheers BrookM, that is a bit of a shame. So logic would dictate that may be the case for the Ork flyer as well.

The entry for the Ork flyer mentions the original three builds and not the new mek-whatever it is called variant.

It is only a saving of 6 EUR for the Nec/Tau set. It would be the same if they included the old Talon and Dakkajet boxes. So I guess they dont come with the new sprues.

There are new decal sheets mentioned, with flyer ace symbols if I understand it correctly.

Only with an additional discount these sets get in the region of interesting savings.

I have Ultramarines and my son has Crimson Slaughter... I'm probably getting this.

...and Tyranids are out in the cold once again

 Stormonu wrote:
...and Tyranids are out in the cold once again

It kinda sucks but they could only really do a FMC box, yeah? Since the Nids don't have fighter craft. But what would they choose to pit one of the FMC with? A Daemon Prince? Flying Thirster?

Melevolence wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:
...and Tyranids are out in the cold once again

It kinda sucks but they could only really do a FMC box, yeah? Since the Nids don't have fighter craft. But what would they choose to pit one of the FMC with? A Daemon Prince? Flying Thirster?

Not necessarily; they could have done Crone/Harpy vs. Heldrake, that'd been a heck of box - "Monster vs. Machine". That could have also meant they changed the Imperial vs. Chaos to be two Imperial flyers and give Chaos rules for using those fighters (like the Chaos Knight in the Renegade box).

You guys seem to be forgetting that Dark Eldar have two flyers that could theoretically be used as an Opfor in the theoretical Tyranid boxed set.

 Stormonu wrote:

Melevolence wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:
...and Tyranids are out in the cold once again

It kinda sucks but they could only really do a FMC box, yeah? Since the Nids don't have fighter craft. But what would they choose to pit one of the FMC with? A Daemon Prince? Flying Thirster?

Not necessarily; they could have done Crone/Harpy vs. Heldrake, that'd been a heck of box - "Monster vs. Machine". That could have also meant they changed the Imperial vs. Chaos to be two Imperial flyers and give Chaos rules for using those fighters (like the Chaos Knight in the Renegade box).

I actually like that idea a lot more :p

Is there a picture that I don't see? It's clearly a stormtalon on the box, not a stormhawk. If it is a stormhawk, I'd probably buy a couple of boxes. Since I only bought one of the model when it was released, that would make 3, and Helldrakes would be cool.

Unfortunately, all 3 boxes have a model that I don't care about or don't care to have more of, the game doesn't look that substantial, so I'm not sure. The most exciting thing to me...

Those look like cool transfer sheets. I may end up picking up up one or more of the box sets mostly just for the transfers >.<

I hope they do the same thing with tanks at some point I would love more tanks from various factions more than more flyers.

Tank duels would damn me beyond redemption.

 Talys wrote:
Unfortunately, all 3 boxes have a model that I don't care about or don't care to have more of, the game doesn't look that substantial, so I'm not sure. The most exciting thing to me...

Same boat. If it were a Stormhawk in there, I'd get it in a heartbeat because the Stormhawk looks cool, and I don't have a Hell Turkey. But just the Space Guppie? Nah. No sale.

Got a Heldrake already, but Storm Talon does nothing for me.. Worst SM model of the bunch after the Dreadknight, in my opinion anyways

Fluff wise, wouldn't it make more sense to have Eldar and Necron in the same set? Ancient Enemies or something? Tau and Orks also make more sense, but what do I know?

The theme with the Tau versus Necrons is "Young versus Old"

It is absolutely not problematic to me to have rules for dogfighting with a flyer in a standalone game but in a different game abstracting that said flyer fulfils a different battlefield role better, and restricting/removing air-to-air capability.

Melevolence wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:

Melevolence wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:
...and Tyranids are out in the cold once again

It kinda sucks but they could only really do a FMC box, yeah? Since the Nids don't have fighter craft. But what would they choose to pit one of the FMC with? A Daemon Prince? Flying Thirster?

Not necessarily; they could have done Crone/Harpy vs. Heldrake, that'd been a heck of box - "Monster vs. Machine". That could have also meant they changed the Imperial vs. Chaos to be two Imperial flyers and give Chaos rules for using those fighters (like the Chaos Knight in the Renegade box).

I actually like that idea a lot more :p

Whatever the opposing flyer to the tyranid flyer is needs to have an upgrade sprue for windshield wipers

 prowla wrote:

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
Pretty nifty thinking GW, amazed at how many standalone rule sets they have released in the past 12 odd months, Overkill, Renegade, Assassinorum, Silver Tower, Lost Patrol, Calth. Maybe the sales of those have told them that this is the way to go?

Considering they just cut 90% of WHFB rules development, they probably have a lot of time to come up with extra standalone rules

I don't get the rules thing, though. I'm guessing most of the buyers are those who will split the box for miniatures, so why not just sell a box of two models without any extras? Is there an actual market for a set with two expensive and complex miniatures and some quickly patched together kiddie rules?

The standalone games have recently been getting quite a praise so yeah seems there is interest...It's not like developing those is huge resource sink and seems it attracts some sales as well.

Guess they figured GAMES part in name Games Workshop can be used to something

 Breotan wrote:
Fluff wise, wouldn't it make more sense to have Eldar and Necron in the same set? Ancient Enemies or something? Tau and Orks also make more sense, but what do I know?

Absolutely. But the problem is, these are like, 2 of the best fliers in the game, both rules and model-wise -- people would go out and buy 3 boxes of Eldar v Necron and the other sets might as well not be made

If Orks were bumped out of the Eldar box, it would have been neat to pair them up with either IG or SM, since humans vs Orks is one of the first matchups since RT. Frankly, I'd rather have another Valkyrie than another Stormtalon. Tau just need a prettier flier. And, there's always Dark Eldar.

Yeah, if they wanted to do a fourth box, there's always the Dark Eldar jets. I don't know what they could be paired with though. Dark Angels, maybe?

Whoever suggested the tank battle game idea though, that's a really good one and it's something I could definitely see GW doing next.