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 Melissia wrote:
Yeah Sisters aren't coming, and I'll continue to refuse to believe they're coming until I hold the new miniatures and codex in my hands.

Of course, they might just give us yet another bland boring reprint instead of a real codex. THAT I can believe.

Self-denial is strong in this one.

tneva82 wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Yeah Sisters aren't coming, and I'll continue to refuse to believe they're coming until I hold the new miniatures and codex in my hands.

Of course, they might just give us yet another bland boring reprint instead of a real codex. THAT I can believe.

Self-denial is strong in this one.

It's not self-denial. It's realism.

We've been waiting since fething second edition to get a new range of minis. The largest our mini range ever was was in third edition. We actually currently have less variety in our miniature range than we had in second.

Simply put, until there's actual tangible evidence, rather htan baseless rumors and in-jokes amongst the GW staff, there's literally no reason to believe the update's going to happen. we've had well over a decade of people pushing rumors that turned out to have no basis in reality. There's no reason to think this one is any different yet.

Arguing whether the rumours are true are ultimately irrelevant to the topic at hand. We've all seen the same video, some of us see reason to hope, others don't, and the only thing that will change anybody's mind will show up in the News and Rumours board instead of this one.

This is a wishlist thread. A place for hopes and dreams.

That said, the rumours rumours suggest there will be a walker/monstrous creature sized kit which seems most likely to be the penitent engine, which means the 3x50mm unit is still up in the air...

Personally I wouldn't mind sororitas in centurion armour...

 Melissia wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Yeah Sisters aren't coming, and I'll continue to refuse to believe they're coming until I hold the new miniatures and codex in my hands.

Of course, they might just give us yet another bland boring reprint instead of a real codex. THAT I can believe.

Self-denial is strong in this one.

It's not self-denial. It's realism.

We've been waiting since fething second edition to get a new range of minis. The largest our mini range ever was was in third edition. We actually currently have less variety in our miniature range than we had in second.

Simply put, until there's actual tangible evidence, rather htan baseless rumors and in-jokes amongst the GW staff, there's literally no reason to believe the update's going to happen. we've had well over a decade of people pushing rumors that turned out to have no basis in reality. There's no reason to think this one is any different yet.

Yeah we just have person with pretty much 100% accuracy(don't dare to put 100% claim but I don't know any false statement...White dwarf has bigger mistake ratio!) with statements what is coming confirming along with GW themselves.

It's not realism. Just denial.

What I really want is not an Adepta Sororitas Codex, but an Ecclesiachy Codex. That will make it more "Army of the Imperial Cult" an less "Female Spess Mehereens"

In particular what I really want is:

-Celestian can equip melee weapon
-A tank comparable with the Predator and the Leman Russ
-A flyer transport (the Aquila Lander would be PERFECT!)
-Frateris Militia
-Cheaper Repentia, so they can do their kamikaze job without problems
-An Exorcist miniature that combine the grimdarkness of the GW one with the realism of the FW one.
-Generic Living Saint (with a kit similar to the Celestant-Prime of AoS)
-Arch-flagellant as Elite and not QG

 Kap'n Krump wrote:
C'mon guys. I've only been playing for about 4 years now, and I think there's been a 'credible' plastic sisters rumor like 6 times in that period. Like curran12, I'll believe that plastic sisters are inbound when they are on store shelves, and not a moment before.

Because basing your expectations on a one-line joke (a pretty funny one, at that) in a 2 minute joke video is just setting yourselves up for failure.

Our friendly librarian from DoW, Isador, said it best: "Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment."

I know, but still hard not to perk up and wish everytime we hear them. I have been playing SoB, then Witchhunters, since the end of 4th, and there have been multiple rumors over the years about them doing plastic. I will continue to "Plan for the worst, but hope for the best"


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 Ezr91aeL wrote:

-An Exorcist miniature that combine the grimdarkness of the GW one with the realism of the FW one.

What's unrealistic about launching salvoes of missiles from a pipe-organ?
I already have 3 of them so I am set even if they do make a new one. Would have to be super-awsome to make me replace them.

*edit* If we get a proper codex, can you imagine what kinda of formations we'll get for excorcists?

 Ezr91aeL wrote:
What I really want is not an Adepta Sororitas Codex, but an Ecclesiachy Codex. That will make it more "Army of the Imperial Cult" an less "Female Spess Mehereens"

In particular what I really want is:

-Celestian can equip melee weapon
-A tank comparable with the Predator and the Leman Russ
-A flyer transport (the Aquila Lander would be PERFECT!)
-Frateris Militia
-Cheaper Repentia, so they can do their kamikaze job without problems
-An Exorcist miniature that combine the grimdarkness of the GW one with the realism of the FW one.
-Generic Living Saint (with a kit similar to the Celestant-Prime of AoS)
-Arch-flagellant as Elite and not QG

See I am the exact opposite. I feel there's already lots of armies with zealots in rags. Chaos cultists, Genestealers cults etc Then you also have all the crazy steampunk stuff in admech and skitari. So I just would not care for them adding Fraetaris. The appeal for me is that they are an army of female Paladins in power armor and detracting from that theme just isn't worth it. Plus, lore wise they really aren't supposed to have any men under arms, random angry mobs and ancient torture engines are really just exceptions and loopholes. The churches standing army is the Sisters so any Codex Ecclesiarchy should be almost entirely about them.

[MOD EDIT - RULE #1 - Alpharius]

I'm going to be waiting until I see an actual damn release before I get excited.

As for a wishlist, to try to stay on topic? I don't know if it's even functional any more, but I had a full on 5th edition fandex full of ideas out there in a couple places on the interwebs.

Variations on Exorcist ammunition for example, a flier transport, acts of faith that are more similar to the third edition codex, and so on.

There's actually a pretty nice 7e fandex on 1d4chan that I can't find any serious flaws with. It's strong, though not excessively so, it has interesting options including a few new models (which, conveniently, have third-party models or straightforward kitbashes available), and it has everything you'd expect for a modern codex. They even added two different kinds of AA (a flyer and an AA tank, plus the existing Forge World options, but of those, they say "See Forge World"), an assault transport and the ability for the Canoness to be useful.

The only thing I thought was a little OP was the changes to the Repressor, and even that is not game-breakingly OP, just "moderately too strong for its points" OP. (Ravenwing Black Knights, not Wraithknights). But, 85 points for a 13/11/10 3HP/6++ assault transport (capacity 10) with a heavy flamer and storm bolter, that can exchange the heavy flamer for any Sisters heavy weapon and the storm bolter for any Sisters special weapon , while still having two top fire points and three on each side, is quite undercosted. That's more like 110 or so: it's definitely in the same tier as the Wave Serpent or Ghost Ark. (Especially since, as a Dedicated Transport, there is a unit that can give it Scout, which is always powerful on transports)

Linkity: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B20ZFeyGKxcwSHV1YVJPd2VlcE0/view

I'll say it again, but I would love for the Aquila Lander to make a comeback.

tneva82 wrote:

 Melissia wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Yeah Sisters aren't coming, and I'll continue to refuse to believe they're coming until I hold the new miniatures and codex in my hands.

Of course, they might just give us yet another bland boring reprint instead of a real codex. THAT I can believe.

Self-denial is strong in this one.

It's not self-denial. It's realism.

We've been waiting since fething second edition to get a new range of minis. The largest our mini range ever was was in third edition. We actually currently have less variety in our miniature range than we had in second.

Simply put, until there's actual tangible evidence, rather htan baseless rumors and in-jokes amongst the GW staff, there's literally no reason to believe the update's going to happen. we've had well over a decade of people pushing rumors that turned out to have no basis in reality. There's no reason to think this one is any different yet.

Yeah we just have person with pretty much 100% accuracy(don't dare to put 100% claim but I don't know any false statement...White dwarf has bigger mistake ratio!) with statements what is coming confirming along with GW themselves.

It's not realism. Just denial.

Im going to go with this being credible, this video is the first of its kind and it is a totally NEW direction for GW in how they market their materials. A complete 180 from their previous secrecy, and you can see it in the new white dwarf as well. I cannot in any way see them making that as a "joke" when the whole purpose of the video was to show you models in production.

That aside, I want to see a new transport vehicle that "replaces" the repressor but keeps its general style (i.e. a gothic tank with a huge ram) and something like the melta ram on the mastadon on it. I want to also see them get Infernus Pattern Predators or at least get some use out of the melta cannons from Devil Dogs (why do guard only have that?)

Lady Atia herself has said it is true. I mean if you don't believe that when she has predicted basically all of this stuff then your one stubborn person.

If this is true, I plan on buying $10 per week of store credit to save for buying some Sisters, plus a percent of what I earn for painting. It's so exciting to see rumors of new plastics.

It's obvious to me GW is doing these pre announcements now so that you can plan a lot more. This lines up with rumors from before how they were moving in a direction where you would have more time to plan your orders for the year. Well announcing Sisters of Battle 6 months out counts to me.

Thanks GW. I hope they keep it up with all their releases and let us know whats coming.

When it comes to models, I'd want to see a Flier (Corvus Blackstar would be great), a plastic 10-sisters box with a variety of special and heavy weapons (can make most squads with this), Plastic Seraphim box, Plastic Repentia, and plastic Penitent Engines. That would be 3 new infantry kits and one larger kit.


As for rules:
1. drop the average sister by one point, make special and heavy weapons cheaper.
2. Penitent Engines to Elites.
3. Add the Corvus Blackstar as a Heavy choice.
4. Acts of faith become not only useful, but flavorful again.
5. Actually find a use for Repentia. Perhaps let them be infiltrators and have FNP?


I have this feeling that the average sister without acts of faith should edge-out guardsmen. A Sister with Acts should rival a Space Marine (for a lower points cost).


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Does anyone else remember the "Special" Last Chancers rules from 3rd edition?

One of the Characters (Hero) had a rule that allowed him to live for one turn after he died due to his hard-core determination. In this turn he could not be killed or harmed in any way. I wonder if such a rule would work (because of faith) for the Sisters? Maybe not as an army-wide special rule, but maybe just for Repentia and a once-per-game special ability for a character.

 cuda1179 wrote:
When it comes to models, I'd want to see a Flier (Corvus Blackstar would be great), a plastic 10-sisters box with a variety of special and heavy weapons (can make most squads with this), Plastic Seraphim box, Plastic Repentia, and plastic Penitent Engines. That would be 3 new infantry kits and one larger kit.


As for rules:
1. drop the average sister by one point, make special and heavy weapons cheaper.
2. Penitent Engines to Elites.
3. Add the Corvus Blackstar as a Heavy choice.
4. Acts of faith become not only useful, but flavorful again.
5. Actually find a use for Repentia. Perhaps let them be infiltrators and have FNP?


I have this feeling that the average sister without acts of faith should edge-out guardsmen. A Sister with Acts should rival a Space Marine (for a lower points cost).


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Does anyone else remember the "Special" Last Chancers rules from 3rd edition?

One of the Characters (Hero) had a rule that allowed him to live for one turn after he died due to his hard-core determination. In this turn he could not be killed or harmed in any way. I wonder if such a rule would work (because of faith) for the Sisters? Maybe not as an army-wide special rule, but maybe just for Repentia and a once-per-game special ability for a character.

I am curious on why you would want a corvus over the Aquila lander. I'm sorry, but I don't see a bunch of sisters riding in an ordo xenos transport when you can fly around in the most blatant symbol of the empirium.

A friend of mine who works at a GW in England told me something about some 2015 thing where redesigns were mentioned. Super vague, I know, and don't take my word for it.

But if so, they have the potential to become my absolute favourite army. If not, they will continue to be something I will not buy.

We will see.

I'm pretty confident SoB are really happening. I do tend to believe it will be one of the more "mini" sized codices, thus I don't believe we'll see more than one or two new units.

There are a lot of obvious things I want to see that will happen just because they're being done... like plastic penitent engines.

Less obviously I want to see more distinctively SoB vehicles that account for how they fight... they should have a vehicle that can hold their larger sized squads.

To be honest I dont see that there would be a major need for a bunch of new units. Just having new models will promote a lot of sales, plus the new sprues could be used to add a few new options.

I see the result more like Grey Knights or Deathwatch, just enough in each slot to give a little choice, which the Sisters already have. Alliances with Inquisition and Astra Militarium cover most everything else we might expect in a Sisters army. Maybe something like Genestealers where a few AM units are copied directly over.

So yeah, plastic kits, new options, but probably not new, never before seen units.

I'm probably going to be reviled for this but...

I really enjoyed the link with Witch Hunters. I'd love seeing a return to the weird and unique forces of the Inquisition.

Inquisitors (+lords), Assassins, retinues, Stormtroopers, Land Raiders, and esoteric miscellany.

Sisters of battle units should still form the core, and it should be possible to build a powerful list from just these units. However I need my =][= fix!

I know this can be achieved through allies, but I'd love a gothic and unusual army rather than pure Sororitas.

I'd also like to see sisters get a plastic Avenger Strike Fighter. Its got the fluff to back it up, its an insanely cool looking and fun to play with flyer and its just the kind of oomph the sisters need to really have some fun. plus theres lots of other imperial armies who would love to play with it and would instantly sell out if they ever bothered

 CadianXV wrote:
I'm probably going to be reviled for this but...

I really enjoyed the link with Witch Hunters. I'd love seeing a return to the weird and unique forces of the Inquisition.

Inquisitors (+lords), Assassins, retinues, Stormtroopers, Land Raiders, and esoteric miscellany.

Sisters of battle units should still form the core, and it should be possible to build a powerful list from just these units. However I need my =][= fix!

I know this can be achieved through allies, but I'd love a gothic and unusual army rather than pure Sororitas.

Not reviled. I just don't think GW will revisit any of the inquisition until they're ready to revisit all of it. I think GW's mindset is that SoB should and can stand on their own and that everything else should just be incorporated as allies.

 CadianXV wrote:
I'm probably going to be reviled for this but...

I really enjoyed the link with Witch Hunters. I'd love seeing a return to the weird and unique forces of the Inquisition.

Inquisitors (+lords), Assassins, retinues, Stormtroopers, Land Raiders, and esoteric miscellany.

Sisters of battle units should still form the core, and it should be possible to build a powerful list from just these units. However I need my =][= fix!

I know this can be achieved through allies, but I'd love a gothic and unusual army rather than pure Sororitas.

Nope, I'm with you 100%. While it makes far more sense fluff-wise to go this route, from a "sell crap tons of mini-codices and models" it's better for GW to make every single whisper of fluff into its own full army. Back in 2nd edition they had fully intended to release "Imperial Agents" as a codex. In White Dwarf and some of the early codices they said flatly "...and you'll see this option when Imperial Agents is released..." etc. Obviously this never happened.

Players would get sooo much more bang for their buck with an Imperial Agents style codex. An Inquisitor leading a small retinue, a large contingent of Sisters of Battle assisting with the occasional assassin and Grey Knight squad (they should have never become their own army). It would be far more fluffy and look much cooler on the table.

I have no vested interest in Sisters of Battle (they're pretty cool, but I'm not a collector of them). I would be sad to see the classic Sisters of Battle themes perverted into completely new and ridiculous things as we're seeing with other armies. I'm afraid you'll see some huge new walker, a completely new line of tank, or sisters in terminator armour etc.

Some form of bikes would be spiffy.

I don't want to see any Inquisition stuff. Inquisition has their own Codex now that's specifically designed to be incorporated into all Imperial armies, there's no reason to have Witch Hunter stuff in the Sisters of Battle Codex and it would actually be harmful when new Inquisition or Sisters of Battle updates are issued and the units in each are not the same anymore.

I want the models to have a significant amount of boobs, hips and butt. Not because I want to perv out on them. If I wanted to perv out on Sisters of Battle, I do have access to a lot of WH40k pornography and Sisters of Battle are a very common subject in WH40k porn. No, I want those exaggerated secondary sexual characteristics because they're female. "But Pouncey, they can be just as female if their armor were gender-neutral!" Frankly, no they can't. Humans need those characteristics to be present to identify a humanoid character as female. My proof? My proof consists of almost every non-human species in fiction and reality.

I'll explain.

When humans create a non-human humanoid species in fiction, such as elves, orcs, aliens, etc. we almost always give their females human-like secondary sexual characteristics. They almost always have boobs, wide hips, a large posterior, and a face reminiscent of human women. We make their men equally human-like in their appearance. So what's the big deal with that? Real life. Terrestrial animals don't tend to have human secondary sexual characteristics. Even most mammals don't have large breasts on their females. Their mammaries are almost flat. The reason human women have enlarged breasts and a large butt is a result of runaway sexual selection that is very unique and specific to humans. The idea that a species unrelated to humans developed similar characteristics is almost ridiculous in how unlikely it is. Yet almost every time we create a humanoid alien species in sci-fi, science fantasy, or fantasy, their women have enlarged breasts like humans do. This is true even for alien species that don't feed their young with milk and shouldn't even have any sort of milk gland to begin with. Think of all the alien humanoids in Star Trek and Star Wars which have women with breasts.

The conclusion is inevitable. To view a humanoid woman as female, human secondary sexual characteristics must be noticeable. Sisters of Battle are women, and they are the most human kind of humanoid. Their secondary sexual characteristics should be noticeable, and since they wear plate armor, they need boob armor.

If some of the current rumors are true, it's possible we will see in the next edition a 'Grand Alliance' book consisting of the forces of the Imprium including lists of Sisters, all flavours of loyalist Marines, the Guard, the Inquisition, Mechannum, Knights, etc.

If this is the case, there is little sense in trying to fill 'gaps' in the Sisters as they will have easy access to allies that can take care of it for them.

Jefffar wrote:
If some of the current rumors are true, it's possible we will see in the next edition a 'Grand Alliance' book consisting of the forces of the Imprium including lists of Sisters, all flavours of loyalist Marines, the Guard, the Inquisition, Mechannum, Knights, etc..

Please to the Holy Emperor do NOT let this happen

Couple of brand new models would be awesome but what I really want are formations and stat changes.

First increase int or WS by 1 across the board on everyone but celestine.

Drop Cannoness down to 40 pts or give her a butt-ton of buffing abilities. She's the same price as a libby for christ sake.

Increase Celestine by 15 points give her EW, bolt pistol, AP2.

5 point per unit drop of every other unit and vehicle.

Formations that A) Increase Melta weapons range 6" B) give flamer's Torrent C) Increase the power of AOFs.

Decurion makes all weapon upgrades free and adds +2 S to all template weapons and makes all melta weapons with the Heavy type salvo 1/3. Throw on obsec for flavor.

Exorcists on squads of 3 get D6+3 shots instead of just D6.

ERJAK wrote:
Couple of brand new models would be awesome but what I really want are formations and stat changes.

First increase int or WS by 1 across the board on everyone but celestine.

Drop Cannoness down to 40 pts or give her a butt-ton of buffing abilities. She's the same price as a libby for christ sake.

Increase Celestine by 15 points give her EW, bolt pistol, AP2.

5 point per unit drop of every other unit and vehicle.

Formations that A) Increase Melta weapons range 6" B) give flamer's Torrent C) Increase the power of AOFs.

Decurion makes all weapon upgrades free and adds +2 S to all template weapons and makes all melta weapons with the Heavy type salvo 1/3. Throw on obsec for flavor.

Exorcists on squads of 3 get D6+3 shots instead of just D6.

Celestine, a Living Saint... doesn't have Eternal Warrior? The feth? She's the living manifestation of the Emperor's Wrath, and she gets one-shotted by a Krak Grenade?

"Sisterhood of witch hunters": Like Brotherhood of psykers but only for giving you dispel dice.

"Get a torch!" any unit with Psykers in it are automatically Desperate Allies at best to Sisters of Battle units.

I feel like the last codex was pretty close to what I was looking for, in a lot of ways. I think the Faith rules are goofy because not every loadout of weapons can make use of some of them. The Witch Hunters Acts were pretty awesome, except for the roll over/under unit size confusion. I'd like to see them keep Adamantium Will and the small Invulnerable Save at base, and I could see some sort of accumulation of rules like Dark Eldar or Mechanicus, based on miracles offsetting overwhelming odds- kind of keep the Faith through Martyrdom idea going. I'd like to see them with some really interesting Relics and a good assortment of Wargear that reflects the fact that they are supposed to be very well equipped by the Ecclesiarchy. Artificer Armour, Master Crafted Weapons and the like. Land Raider option, Blackstar or another Assault vehicle would be really cool.

I really would like to see Canoness characters that have more options, maybe Build Your Own Living Saint rules, and make Celestians actually dangerous in a meaningful way- either cheap, effective Wargear like Vanguard Vets, or an increased Invulnerable Save, or both. Penitent Engines need to become Monstrous Creatures or get a decent points drop. Repentia and probably the Exorcist are in need of new models.

I do like the freakshow aspect of the Ecclesiarchy myself so go with that, but I want my Sisters to be resolute guardians of the Faith. I could definitely use less creepy old men in the army and more Special Characters that are actually Sisters. I would really like Celestians to be better at Assault like they once were, an Initiative boost would help a lot and they did have that at one time. TRepentia done Lone Wolf style could be really interesting actually.

As far as models go I want them to be very close to the old aesthetic but with more customizability. A clam pack Saint or Canoness would be lovely. I'd like to see some sort of mobile Shrine type vehicle (good place for an Assault Vehicle actually). I don't really care about Frateris although a mob of raving lunatics is always a fun time. I don't need a Monster or Flyer personally, but I would like to be able to kill them with fire.