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This does sound interesting, but I'll wait with the final verdict, after GW releases the last book. I don't mind Cadia go boom-boom (and I'm a Guard player first and foremost), but I certainly hope that we'll see some more answers. Because right now there are more questions than answers, and I want to know what the hell Cawl has in his possession.

 Kap'n Krump wrote:
Seems like abbadon could have saved quite a bit of trouble by just shooting giant meteors at cadia to start with.

See thats why orks will rule the galaxy. When it comes to krumping, just throw some rocks.

I don't know, the fluff summary feels a bit fanboyish-too many twists and turns.


Welcome back 2nd ed, RT. My farseer commander leading guard / marines returns!

 Snake Tortoise wrote:
Good read, thanks

The mysterious character in a scaled cloak is... Omegon

No....Im alpharious.

But let it be know, that Cadia broke before the guard did.

Press F to pay respects to the guard.

Anyone know what's happening with the rest of the cadia system and surrounding systems all was being battlefields as part of the old crusade, have they all just been sucked in to the Eye of terror?

What do you think Cawl's artifact, in the triaros, is ?

Iracundus wrote:
I have just double checked and confirmed that Veilwalker is more like a title or character role, and Sylandri may just be an assumed name

For some reason that reminded me of this scene from Auralnauts' hilarious Star Wars gag dub:

https://youtu.be/oOmyuweolqY?t=28m14s

 godardc wrote:
What do you think Cawl's artifact, in the triaros, is ?

Davin, horus, Anathame

 Formosa wrote:

 godardc wrote:
What do you think Cawl's artifact, in the triaros, is ?

Davin, horus, Anathame

Wasn't that taken by Fulgrim and Lucius?

Edit: So, taken by Fulgrim, fuzziness happens, Erebus somehow ends up with it at Macragge. Breaks off 8 shards which are powerful. Then Fulgrim retrieves it, takes it to a planet and uses it to become a Demon in Angel Exterminatus. After that, nothing

I thought Lucius was given the Blade of Laer, not the Anathame.

Thinking back to one of the Horus Heresy books (the one where everyone's running around trying to get ahold of the fulgurite), Eldrad makes an apperance and decides to dick with the Cabal's because in his visions for the future, Vulkan needed to be alive to guard something. I'm wondering if the giant in the scaled cloak is Vulkan?

Iracundus wrote:

 GoonBandito wrote:

Iracundus wrote:Someone at GW does not know their BFG material. Unless there is something written about Chaos having added on shields, activated Blackstone Fortresses do not have shields.

I don't know much about the the particulars of Blackstone Fortresses, but for what its worth there's a over a week of fighting on Cadia between the Will of Eternity firing it's initial deflected shot and the Phalanx arriving to destroy it.

Activated Blackstone Fortress stats showing Shields = 0 are in the main BFG rulebook, so it is hardly obscure information especially if one is working at GW where there would presumably be a copy of the rulebook. This just sounds like sloppy work.

but this one is Abby's special Blackstone fortress that he has tinkered with over the last 850 years. Maybe he has found a way to shield it.

So, my disparate thoughts:

Abaddon goes down like a punk. Seriously, he doesn't feel at all like a credible threat. He could have fired the meteor rocket things into Cadia to start with. He doesn't feel powerful at all.

Celestine's cool. Nice to see the Sisters getting a good showing. Nice if they could have some plastic kits too?

Is that ALL that was defending Cadia? Jeez, I'd expect to see more Astartes Chapters and Guard regiments at least, and more than just First/Second Founders.

The long dead Tanith? The Tanith Regiment was destroyed? When/where? Do we know any details about this?

Greyfax is an idiot. Lawful stupid if I ever saw one.

Trazyn's a good sight to see - assuming he kidnaps Creed at the end? Seems a worthy trade of some of his collection for the Old Man himself.

Humans using the Webway? Eldar/Human alliance? I'm apprehensive.

Feels very fanfiction-y overall (PLOT TWEEEEEEST), but I'm interested to see where it goes.

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
So, my disparate thoughts:

Abaddon goes down like a punk. Seriously, he doesn't feel at all like a credible threat. He could have fired the meteor rocket things into Cadia to start with. He doesn't feel powerful at all.

Celestine's cool. Nice to see the Sisters getting a good showing. Nice if they could have some plastic kits too?

Is that ALL that was defending Cadia? Jeez, I'd expect to see more Astartes Chapters and Guard regiments at least, and more than just First/Second Founders.

The long dead Tanith? The Tanith Regiment was destroyed? When/where? Do we know any details about this?

Greyfax is an idiot. Lawful stupid if I ever saw one.

Trazyn's a good sight to see - assuming he kidnaps Creed at the end? Seems a worthy trade of some of his collection for the Old Man himself.

Humans using the Webway? Eldar/Human alliance? I'm apprehensive.

Feels very fanfiction-y overall (PLOT TWEEEEEEST), but I'm interested to see where it goes.

Heres why :

Hive Fleet problems

Ghoul Stars,

Red Corsairs

Armaggedon

Ullanor Campagin

Battle of Ultramar (Ultramarines cannot help as they are also destroying an entire tombworld)

Blood Angels dealing with an invasion of the BAAL system.

Dark Angels are dealing with many things

Space Wolves & Salamanders are currently deployed on Armaggedon

Black Templars main force is located on armaggedon (estimated at least 3k)

Raven Guard are dealing with the tau.

Imperial Guard Regiments are trying to slow the advance of the tau, Red Corsairs, Eldar, Tyranids, and necrons.


So far I agree it is at least good progression, I actually hope we have some resolution, as they next one they will be tackling is the war of armaggedon.

Is it also possible that the Shadowseer Cawl speaks with is...



Granted _most_ Eldar have a lifespan of a thousand years give or take and that storyline took place *ahem* over nine thousand years ago, but particularly powerful psykers like Eldrad can live for far longer than that, and time probably passes differently in the Webway and someone could step into it and come out after centuries have passed and look like they haven't aged a day.


*EDIT* Never mind, a teaser image from GW seems to confirm that was in fact Sylandri Veilwalker. She's rapidly turning into the G-Man of the 40K universe:

Iracundus wrote:Someone at GW does not know their BFG material. Unless there is something written about Chaos having added on shields, activated Blackstone Fortresses do not have shields.

Blackstone fortresses also do not have engines. They 'glide' through space with some sort of inertialess propulsion. So Chaos clearly added something.

I find it hard to believe there was only one Cadian regiment defending Cadia. Don't they have hundreds of Cadian regiments?

I reread it... and i'm glad to see things happening! that is good!

But the story also kind of feels like the kinds of stories my sisters and cousins and I would make up while playing with lego when I was ten. And maybe that's all right? Because that's really what this is all about, when you get down to it.

Just waiting for the entire setting to be wiped out by a big old dog wandering through, looking for his water dish.

Sorry for asking the same question twice, but what happened to the Firehowlers? Are they like all gone? If so, I understand how Tomb Kings players felt (sorta)

Also, is there any merit in assuming that maybe creed wasn't captured by Trazyn? I don't believe so, but it is an important question.

What relic does Crawl have?

 Asherian Command wrote:

Heres why :

Hive Fleet problems

Behemoth is reduced, Leviathan is trying down just the Blood Angels and some of their successors, and Kraken is mainly going for Eldar.

Ghoul Stars,

No active threats. Just sentries, who could easily send aid to Cadia.

Red Corsairs

Assaulting Chogoris. The White Scars are dealing with them.

Armaggedon

Fair. But there shouldn't be more soldiers at Armageddon than Cadia, surely?

Ullanor Campagin

What Ullanor Campaign? There's no Ullanor Campaign in 999.M41.

Battle of Ultramar (Ultramarines cannot help as they are also destroying an entire tombworld)

Invasion of Ultramar occurred far before this (both the Tyranid invasion and the Bloodborn invasion), and the Return to Damnos only comprised of the 2nd, 3rd, 5th, and 6th companies, with support elements of the 10th. That's half the Ultramarines on Damnos at 999.M41. Easily enough for the other companies to send representatives to the mother of all fights.

Blood Angels dealing with an invasion of the BAAL system.

Not actually invaded yet, and the Cryptus Incident was in 998.M41.

Dark Angels are dealing with many things

Yet have a company here.

Space Wolves & Salamanders are currently deployed on Armaggedon

Only 3 Great Companies. Not to mention the Wolves have representatives at Cadia. The Salamanders have six companies, leaving one to deploy at Cadia perhaps.

Black Templars main force is located on armaggedon (estimated at least 3k)

And ALSO have elements at Cadia.

Raven Guard are dealing with the tau.

Not any more. They are, however defending their homeworld from Orks.
Again, I haven't got a problem with many Chapter being absent. But the Thousand Chapters of the Imperium, and there's what, three who show up to Cadia? Not asking for full Chapters, but even representatives, a taskforce, a company? Nothing - not even for Cadia. No mention of the Chapters specifically located around the Eye for this EXACT situation, as well as the Ultramarine Honour Company (a mini-Deathwatch for Ultramarine successors) or the masses of Cadian regiments other than the 8th. I'm starting to think that if Terra was invaded, only the First Founders would show up.

Imperial Guard Regiments are trying to slow the advance of the tau (already ceased, due to the Damocles Gulf being set alight), Red Corsairs (attacking Chogoris, so not a threat to the wider Imperium, barring the White Scars), Eldar, Tyranids, and necrons.

No, some Imperial Guard regiments are slowing the advance of the other threats. Some more should be expected to be deployed to the Eye of Terror - not just Cadians.

This is one of the largest single warzones in Imperial record - if Armageddon has more men defending it than Cadia, something's wrong. There should be entire Chapters deploying here, streams of Guardsmen, and yet we see three taskforces (not even Chapters) of Space Marines and some Cadians and Sisters? GW scale is stupid, but Cadia? This is ridiculous.

True, but remember Armagedon has more firepower or atleast the means to produce more firepower quickly.

This is one of the largest single warzones in Imperial record - if Armageddon has more men defending it than Cadia, something's wrong. There should be entire Chapters deploying here, streams of Guardsmen, and yet we see three taskforces (not even Chapters) of Space Marines and some Cadians and Sisters? GW scale is stupid, but Cadia? This is ridiculous.

GW doesn't get the idea of numbers. They forget that the imperium is pretty huge and the idea of losing Cadia is a huge one but I blame terrible writers and inconsistencies.


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 gummyofallbears wrote:
Sorry for asking the same question twice, but what happened to the Firehowlers? Are they like all gone? If so, I understand how Tomb Kings players felt (sorta)

Also, is there any merit in assuming that maybe creed wasn't captured by Trazyn? I don't believe so, but it is an important question.

What relic does Crawl have?

*shrug*

I have no idea.

 Backspacehacker wrote:
True, but remember Armagedon has more firepower or atleast the means to produce more firepower quickly.

And Cadia is holding open/defending against a tear in reality from the most feared threat to the Imperium.

No reason it should be defended by such meagre defences.


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 Asherian Command wrote:

This is one of the largest single warzones in Imperial record - if Armageddon has more men defending it than Cadia, something's wrong. There should be entire Chapters deploying here, streams of Guardsmen, and yet we see three taskforces (not even Chapters) of Space Marines and some Cadians and Sisters? GW scale is stupid, but Cadia? This is ridiculous.

GW doesn't get the idea of numbers. They forget that the imperium is pretty huge and the idea of losing Cadia is a huge one but I blame terrible writers and inconsistencies.

Unfortunately, this seems true.

Cadia's population is given as 850 million. If 1% of those are actual frontline combat troops (with the rest being admin, logistics, staffing the factories), and using 8,000 (Creed's Cadian 8th) as a benchmark, that is still 1062 regiments of infantry like the Creed's regiment.

The old 13th Black Crusade book and campaign gave a somewhat picture of scale. This newest Fall of Cadia makes it seem like the only Cadians that matter are Creed's 8,000.

Who defended Cadia?


- Black Templars, lead by Marshal Amalrich
- Imperial Fists
- Crimson Fists
- Dark Angles lead by Master Korahael
- Angels of Absolution
- Consecrators
- Angels of Redemption
- Space Wolves
- Doom Eagles
- Exorcists
- Angels Sanguine
- Angels of Vigilance
- Blood Angels
- Hawk Lords
- Aurora Chapter
- Iron Knights
- Marines Exemplar
- Black Guard
- Revilers
- Subjugators
- Storm Warriors
- White Consuls
- Destroyers
- Iron Hands Clan Raukaan
- Raven Guard
- Salamanders, released from the stasis vaults of Solemnace
- White Scars
- Iron Snakes
- Sons of Orar
- Novamarines
- Genesis Chapter
- Brazen Claws
- Death Spectres
- Storm Lords
- Howling Griffons
- Ultramarines (2nd Company)

- The Legion of the Damned

- Deathwatch

- Mechanicum Forces of Mars
- Mechanicum Forces of Lucius
- Mechanicum Forces of Stygies VIII
- Mechanicum Forces of Ryza
- Knights of House Raven
- Knights of House Taranis

- Imperial Guard and Militarum Tempestus, including Vostroyans

and many, many more

 loki old fart wrote:

Who defended Cadia?


- Black Templars, lead by Marshal Amalrich
- Imperial Fists
- Crimson Fists
- Dark Angles lead by Master Korahael
- Angels of Absolution
- Consecrators
- Angels of Redemption
- Space Wolves
- Doom Eagles
- Exorcists
- Angels Sanguine
- Angels of Vigilance
- Blood Angels
- Hawk Lords
- Aurora Chapter
- Iron Knights
- Marines Exemplar
- Black Guard
- Revilers
- Subjugators
- Storm Warriors
- White Consuls
- Destroyers
- Iron Hands Clan Raukaan
- Raven Guard
- Salamanders, released from the stasis vaults of Solemnace
- White Scars
- Iron Snakes
- Sons of Orar
- Novamarines
- Genesis Chapter
- Brazen Claws
- Death Spectres
- Storm Lords
- Howling Griffons
- Ultramarines (2nd Company)

- The Legion of the Damned

- Deathwatch

- Mechanicum Forces of Mars
- Mechanicum Forces of Lucius
- Mechanicum Forces of Stygies VIII
- Mechanicum Forces of Ryza
- Knights of House Raven
- Knights of House Taranis

- Imperial Guard and Militarum Tempestus, including Vostroyans

and many, many more

This is what SHOULD have been there. But according to the latest stuff by GW, there's a few companies of Space Marines, some Skitarii, Tempestus, Sororitas, and the Cadian 8th regiment.

This makes the battle feel more desperate from a writers prespective I get why, but just sounds like a writer forgot about the history and lore and forgot to remember "Well I could have more chapters and all that, but that would make the story bloated."

But they literally have to say the other chapters and forces are dealing with majority of the Black Crusade across multiple fronts and didn't expect them to break through as quickly as they had. Or talk about how many chapters kept arriving and the millions of guardsmen were fighting millions of chaos forces.

Sorta like the battle of Istavaan III or Istavaan V.

So imperium kicks massive ass against overwhelming odds with fanfic plottwists,
chaos gets to feel they atleast did something.

yea pritty standart stuff.

Maybe thats all thats left after the rest of the planets been totaled. As this fluff seems to represent the last (semi functioning) city on a desolate warzone of a world which has already been though the grinder with no other settlements left.
This background (from the op) is the end game not the whole thing.

Iracundus wrote:
Cadia's population is given as 850 million. If 1% of those are actual frontline combat troops (with the rest being admin, logistics, staffing the factories), and using 8,000 (Creed's Cadian 8th) as a benchmark, that is still 1062 regiments of infantry like the Creed's regiment.

The old 13th Black Crusade book and campaign gave a somewhat picture of scale. This newest Fall of Cadia makes it seem like the only Cadians that matter are Creed's 8,000.

Cadia is supposed to be a fortress planet with virtually everyone conscripted to fight. Like North Korea on steriods. It should be at least 10% front line troops, perhaps 25%.


Still in a galaxy size war, 200 million infantry would be nothing. There would be weapons capable of killing 200 million infantry in one shot.

It should also have a population of 20-50 billion with every nook and crany devoted to baracks/fortifications, and artillery.


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Skullhammer wrote:
Maybe thats all thats left after the rest of the planets been totaled. As this fluff seems to represent the last (semi functioning) city on a desolate warzone of a world which has already been though the grinder with no other settlements left.
This background (from the op) is the end game not the whole thing.

yes, if the entire black fleet is in orbit shelling the planet it, one would expect 90% of the troops on the ground would be vaproized. Then the black legion, all it's allies(including a titan legion) making planet fall... You would need billions of troops on Cadia to have any realistic chance of holding it.

 gummyofallbears wrote:
wait wait wait, what happened to the firehowlers???

As the main Great Company I play, I will be pretty angry to get screwed over again.

I like the fact that they are advancing the story though, not as bad as I thought.

Good news as they had an important mission and part in the story and succeeded.


The bad news is it was a suicide mission.... My condolences on joining Tomb Kings,Squats and good rules/fluff.

So, I read that there is a big 5 book story upcoming, is this the synopsis for the first book, or the entire series?

In either case, any thoughts on if they're continuing? Because abbadon destroying cadia and routing the imperial army/navy is a pretty big deal, despite the losses he took.