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**LunaHound**

Asmodai and Ezekiel are my 2 favorite 40k characters.

I'll be plenty agitated if they re-release them in failcast instead of giving them new scultps...

like most of the BA -.-

**nerdfest09**

Ezekiel was one of the first character models I ever bought! and still a favorite! Like Luna, I hope they do some new sculpts for them as well, were GK's the only new stuff they've done re sculpts for characters lately? it seems like GW are only making old models in finecast now? I mean, Ragnar Blackmane and Ulrik need a revamp from the wolves and dante and Meph could have been unleashed with beautifully characterful new models, but sadly no...

So, lets keep fingers crossed that thet do new sculpts of Asmodai, Ezekiel, and Azrael, and Belial wouldn't go astray either :-)

**LunaHound**

Those 2 are like Jedi in Power Armor ಠ_ಠ
so cool....

**Talarn Blackshard**

For some reason I keep visualizing our vet sargs as something more akin to Power Armored Commissars ... probably without the summary execution ... atleast execution on the battlefield.

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**MightyGodzilla**

Trechor wrote:I never got that Deathwing were supposed to be moar elite than other terminators. Better equipment, sure, but not stronger/faster/trained better. Mixed assault/tactical weapon squads as well as sternguard special issue ammunition on their storm bolters seems fair to me without getting too carried away.

I actually think that giving DA Tactical Terminators the Sternguard ammo options is a pretty great idea. I mean sure it'd have to be playtested but facts are that 40k has about 6 flavors of space marine. Space Wolves, Black Templars, & Blood Angels all excel at hand to hand I think one of the other chapters should excel in the other direction (with Ultras being fairly middle of the road, and Grey Knights....well they're GKs). In this day and age nobody uses tac terminators. Giving DA TDA storm bolters uber useful ammo may actually make a more shooty squad of TDAs a useful choice in your FOC. And if not, back to the TH/SS. I'm still for the current incarnation of mixed CC and Tact options in the Deathwing squads. If certainly is a more interesting rule than +1 to this or that.

**DAaddict**

BA - Sanguinary Guard & Vanguard Vets
BT - Old but extra HW in termie squads
SW - Wolf guard and special Wolf scouts
SM - Sternguard and Vanguard vets.

I would agree that giving Deathwing the option of using special ammo would be good - perhaps limiting it to chosing one at the beginning of the game and sticking with it. Likewise I like the vanguard vets being morphed into the Ravenwing. Bikers with 2 Attacks base as well as the option to outfit them with all the options sounds like a good way to boost the Dark Angels, bring them in line with the other codexes and restore some luster to both options where Logan-wing and Draigo-wing as well as vanilla bike captains have reduced the ravenwing and deathwing (to a lesser degree) to being an indistiguishable option or worse a lesser option than the others.

**captain collius**

Pyriel- wrote:
Inform someone who isn't a DA fluff nut. What makes Deathwing terminators better than the terms of any other chapter? I've seen people talk about it a lot, but it doesn't make a tonne of sense to me. It's not like they're older and I doubt they train harder. They're space marines. They all train 22 hours a day.

On the contrary. DA terminators are worse on average then normal SM terminators. According to black library fluff anyway but also common sense.

Bear in mind that SM terminators are the elite of the chapters elite whereas with the DA the one red string thing above all that runs through their terminators is that they share forbidden knowledge .
Thus are there cases where marines not normally allowed into the 1:st company are taken in simply because they uncovered or by some means were made aware of the terrible truths normally reserved for the 1:st company.
In those cases they are made to swear terrible oaths of silence and taken in to the death wing.

Now in my opinion if a super elite band of warriors have to take in the occasional member who is normally not good enough to be there because the need of some secrecy then by all logic said band of warriors would not be as effective as a force consisting of o n l y the ones truly elite enough to be a part of such outfit.

Dark Angels Codex (p. 28) says:
Not only are the Deathwing the finest warriors within the Dark Angels chapter, but it is universally accepted they are amongst the Greatest warriors in the Imperium.

p. 11 ..............Only warriors who have fought throught the ranks for many years and have proved their loyalty to the chapter time and time again are allowed to progress. Silent and hooded Brothers lead them before the Inner Circle for judgement and soon they are either elevated to the Deathwing, or they disappear forever.

**Cain**

captain collius wrote:
Pyriel- wrote:
Inform someone who isn't a DA fluff nut. What makes Deathwing terminators better than the terms of any other chapter? I've seen people talk about it a lot, but it doesn't make a tonne of sense to me. It's not like they're older and I doubt they train harder. They're space marines. They all train 22 hours a day.

On the contrary. DA terminators are worse on average then normal SM terminators. According to black library fluff anyway but also common sense.

Bear in mind that SM terminators are the elite of the chapters elite whereas with the DA the one red string thing above all that runs through their terminators is that they share forbidden knowledge .
Thus are there cases where marines not normally allowed into the 1:st company are taken in simply because they uncovered or by some means were made aware of the terrible truths normally reserved for the 1:st company.
In those cases they are made to swear terrible oaths of silence and taken in to the death wing.

Now in my opinion if a super elite band of warriors have to take in the occasional member who is normally not good enough to be there because the need of some secrecy then by all logic said band of warriors would not be as effective as a force consisting of o n l y the ones truly elite enough to be a part of such outfit.

Dark Angels Codex (p. 28) says:
Not only are the Deathwing the finest warriors within the Dark Angels chapter, but it is universally accepted they are amongst the Greatest warriors in the Imperium.

p. 11 ..............Only warriors who have fought throught the ranks for many years and have proved their loyalty to the chapter time and time again are allowed to progress. Silent and hooded Brothers lead them before the Inner Circle for judgement and soon they are either elevated to the Deathwing, or they disappear forever.

captain collius wrote:[so not just amyome makes the deathwing they are also other instances where it is mentioned that anyone who discover the truth of the fall before the are judged to be ready is mind scrubbed and turned into a servitor

not true, if you read the fluff i

Come on man your going to take what a code says about itself as sufficent to mak them stronger then everyone else, go ready every codex out their, according to whatever codex you read it sayd they are the best and you have to have fought a 50,000,000 freaking worlds to become a veteran. I am pretty sure that everyone in the 40k must be like...we don't allow or like this phrase used in this way on Dakka, so please don't use it again Thanks Reds8n ..achilles from troy. Anyone who stands against anyone from 40k is going to die.
Sorry kinda a rant there but you cant take what a codex says about how BadA** that army is for face value.

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DAaddict wrote:BA - Sanguinary Guard & Vanguard Vets
BT - Old but extra HW in termie squads
SW - Wolf guard and special Wolf scouts
SM - Sternguard and Vanguard vets.

I would agree that giving Deathwing the option of using special ammo would be good - perhaps limiting it to chosing one at the beginning of the game and sticking with it. Likewise I like the vanguard vets being morphed into the Ravenwing. Bikers with 2 Attacks base as well as the option to outfit them with all the options sounds like a good way to boost the Dark Angels, bring them in line with the other codexes and restore some luster to both options where Logan-wing and Draigo-wing as well as vanilla bike captains have reduced the ravenwing and deathwing (to a lesser degree) to being an indistiguishable option or worse a lesser option than the others.

WHOA man dont try to make BT seem like they are shooty if GW reads this and gets any ideas...just man we cant be having that
BT - Old but have veteran skills(such as furious charge)kinda important considring thats the only one I use on my termies, no shooting terminators for this guy except for HF in the command squad

**captain collius**

one chill
two i'm quoting a book i know is wrong cause if it was true terminators should cost roughly 2000 point for 5 and have assault 30 strength 8 ap 2 storm bolters. thats the way the fluff is written.

i'm simply pointing out there is no back up for his assertion.

as to your templar assertion good for you

**Ozymandias**

H.B.M.C. wrote:To be fair though Ozy, most people don't bring all Termie armies either.

Hey it's the only way I get to compete with my favorite army! Though I'm tempted to just get some new arms and run them as "counts-as" Grey Knights...

**Cain**

whoa chill back at ya, i was just saying that they arent super nazi or anything im just saying that the codex needs to be taken with grain of salt.

And no need to hate the teplar assertion simply if your going to be a jerk, i said it merely for fun, then you say good for you b/c you got all but hurt about my comment against you, the BT thing had nothing to do with your comment so just leave it be.

**captain collius**

Cain wrote:whoa chill back at ya, i was just saying that they arent super nazi or anything im just saying that the codex needs to be taken with grain of salt.

And no need to hate the teplar assertion simply if your going to be a jerk, i said it merely for fun, then you say good for you b/c you got all but hurt about my comment against you, the BT thing had nothing to do with your comment so just leave it be.

If i offended you in anyway i do apologize and i mean it sincerely most people talk about nerd rage i have actual rage issues so if i did i'm sorry.

second you should look at your own comments aftwer taking a step back. imeant good for you as a compliment (damned internat not conveying sincerety) i love fluffy army lists and have played againsta similar BT army ( i got wiped because of deployment ). i love to see people who choose to play the army correctly and not just powergame

**carmachu**

ZebioLizard2 wrote:

Right than, we can easily get rid of Sisters of Battle and replace them with the Salamanders than. Their fame is Bolters, Flamers, melta, and TH/SS. SoB Must be a very boring army if all that one can claim for them is those three weapons.

That was one of the raging arguements when salanaders got some of sisters toys.

Did you ever pick up the previous books? Faith used to be called Sacred rights, which would grant them benefits (as faith does now, though it was a single D6 + Sister Superior types giving a benefit to it), not to mention as Relics were their special cards, along with the rest of the Adeptas Minisorium. The Canoness being able to take two relic cards as a benefit. Which is indeed something different from the "Holy Trinity". My favorites being the old Blade of Admonition, and the Praesidium Protectiva. I would love for faith and relics to be brought back as they were, but as it is we have to deal with Faith as it has been given us now, and the pitiful selection of "relics", which they've even gotten rid of the Book of ST. Lucius

Chapter Approved Was when Sacred Rights became Acts of Faith, and they became like their previous incarnation in the WH codex, and there was no 3rd edition SoB, that was when it became Witch Hunters.

*I* have been playing sisters since the 2nd edition book.(until the latest WD joke of an army list) Try and keep up in the discussion./ I know all about how sacred rights became faith- FAITH wasnt something that was in the beginning, nor a defining feature or even a feature until late- sacred rites where mostly a joke that unless you got real lucky, they werent much use.

Hopefully the 6th edition will bring them back to glory, and bring back Saint Praxedes, and Helena the Virtuous, army wide hatred (Preferred enemy as it is now) was very nice in its day.

I dont hold out much hope for it. Not liking the direction they went

**Cain**

captain collius wrote:
Cain wrote:whoa chill back at ya, i was just saying that they arent super nazi or anything im just saying that the codex needs to be taken with grain of salt.

And no need to hate the teplar assertion simply if your going to be a jerk, i said it merely for fun, then you say good for you b/c you got all but hurt about my comment against you, the BT thing had nothing to do with your comment so just leave it be.

If i offended you in anyway i do apologize and i mean it sincerely most people talk about nerd rage i have actual rage issues so if i did i'm sorry.

second you should look at your own comments aftwer taking a step back. imeant good for you as a compliment (damned internat not conveying sincerety) i love fluffy army lists and have played againsta similar BT army ( i got wiped because of deployment ). i love to see people who choose to play the army correctly and not just powergame

Ditto on the first part i have actual rage myself, thats why i chose templars with their short tempers :/, and you diddnt offend me thats hard to do.
And yes i did come across a little rude, and ahh....i hate how typing cant convey what you really mean.

Back to topic on hand though, IIRC the new thing in 6ed is that i believe that all armies and all infantry can shoot at an enemy before they get charged (supposed to symbol, the unit realizes they are about to get charged and last ditch attemp to save themselves)so is that is the case wouldint be very unique for the DA to have, i would see GW making rules for CC armies that they do not get to shoot as they prefer to kill in CC. Just MHO

**White Ninja**

And so what once might of been a good thread has sunken into a flame war. Oh the Humanity.

**Vermillion**

11 pages of no more rumours just wishlisting :(

**captain collius**

Vermillion wrote:11 pages of no more rumours just wishlisting :(

sadly outside of the fact that DA will appear in the new starter set i'm afraid the rumors are quite sparse.

**KilroyKiljoy**

captain collius wrote:
Vermillion wrote:11 pages of no more rumours just wishlisting :(

sadly outside of the fact that DA will appear in the new starter set i'm afraid the rumors are quite sparse.

Same with almost every other set. Which to me, means they're working on something......

**Cain**

How solid is that rumor anyway the only place i have seen that says DA will be in the new starter is here on Dakka, not to say i dont believe it or i have alot of opportunity to see it anywhere else or from someone elses mouth considering the nearest place to play as an hr away but i would really like to know where that all started with DA and Chaos being in the starter.

**Ronin_eX**

Cain wrote:How solid is that rumor anyway the only place i have seen that says DA will be in the new starter is here on Dakka, not to say i dont believe it or i have alot of opportunity to see it anywhere else or from someone elses mouth considering the nearest place to play as an hr away but i would really like to know where that all started with DA and Chaos being in the starter.

The rumour was reprinted to Dakka but it was confirmed by hastings over on Warseer. And hastings was so confident in it that he jokingly took offense to it still being called a rumour. So lets just say it is 99.99% (trace amounts of sodium remain) certain that the starter is Dark Angels and Chaos. Hell the thread over on Warseer had him going in to detail on the makeup of the Chaos side as well so he appears to be very confident about the veracity of the rumour.

Beyond that we have a pretty solid confirmation that Chaos is the first dex out for 6th Edition. Finally Darnok has implied that the next furthest along codex is Dark Angels.

So yeah, unless you really don't trust hastings then the starter is DA vs. Chaos and the most reputable codex rumours right now are pointing at them being the next two codices as well.

**ph34r**

LunaHound wrote:Asmodai and Ezekiel are my 2 favorite 40k characters.

I'll be plenty agitated if they re-release them in failcast instead of giving them new scultps...

like most of the BA -.-

That would definitely be cool, but honestly I really like the Ezekiel and Asmodai sculpts as they are. They're kind of like the 2e warlocks/farseers in my eye.

**Cain**

Ronin_eX wrote:
Cain wrote:How solid is that rumor anyway the only place i have seen that says DA will be in the new starter is here on Dakka, not to say i dont believe it or i have alot of opportunity to see it anywhere else or from someone elses mouth considering the nearest place to play as an hr away but i would really like to know where that all started with DA and Chaos being in the starter.

The rumour was reprinted to Dakka but it was confirmed by hastings over on Warseer. And hastings was so confident in it that he jokingly took offense to it still being called a rumour. So lets just say it is 99.99% (trace amounts of sodium remain) certain that the starter is Dark Angels and Chaos. Hell the thread over on Warseer had him going in to detail on the makeup of the Chaos side as well so he appears to be very confident about the veracity of the rumour.

Beyond that we have a pretty solid confirmation that Chaos is the first dex out for 6th Edition. Finally Darnok has implied that the next furthest along codex is Dark Angels.

So yeah, unless you really don't trust hastings then the starter is DA vs. Chaos and the most reputable codex rumours right now are pointing at them being the next two codices as well.

Guess ill have to go check out warseer then.

**Kroothawk**

As the other thread is locked because of off topic talk (hint hint

), here an updated pic of the WD spine pic, posted by mrtn over at Warseer:

**Brother SRM**

A Dark Angel with a plasma gun? Imagine that

**Kanluwen**

Combi-plasma, actually.

Azrael?!

**Brother SRM**

He has those spiky skulls on his backpack so it's a possibility!

**kenshin620**

Kanluwen wrote:Combi-plasma, actually.

Azrael?!

Brother SRM wrote:He has those spiky skulls on his backpack so it's a possibility!

Now that you mention it...

**Ronin_eX**

Yeah, that is looking like a picture of Azrael (a little different on the spiky bits but very recognizable nonetheless). I also don't recall every seeing a picture of Azrael like that before so this may also be a new piece of art. Either way that is definitely a Dark Angel of some variety. I know it is early but it would be neat if it turned out to be a new take on the Emperor vs. Horus picture with Azrael standing against a member of the Fallen. Then you get both your 25th Anniversary nostalgia cred as well as getting the two boxed set armies in a piece of art.

That isn't a real prediction or anything, but I think it would be nice.

**Trechor**

I wonder what type of Stormraven we'll get?

**Ronin_eX**

[matwardassumingcontroldirectly]

No not a Stormraven. It will be a DARKRAVEN, and it will be so extreme that LIONS WILL BE RIDING IT!!!11!

[/matwardassumingcontroldirectly]

*ahem*