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I agree that the stretch goals are poop right now. I'm keeping an eye on it to see if it becomes interesting enough to dive into.

re: Eurogames-- Eurogames don't have nice minis in my experience, and I'd say a eurogame plus a bunch of minis would run around that cost, so it's mostly a question of do you like the idea of minis in your eurogames- if so, great for you; if not, then it may not be worth it to you.

On stretch goals, yeah, not impressive.

Conan just announced there will be a crossover scenario in the Nordheim expansion using the Blood Rage minis!

I just can't believe that CMoN is doing alternate sculpts so early.

@Ronin - if you think it is overpriced, don't back. Wait for retail, pay less, and just know that you'll miss out on ALL of the exclusives.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
I just can't believe that CMoN is doing alternate sculpts so early.

@Ronin - if you think it is overpriced, don't back. Wait for retail, pay less, and just know that you'll miss out on ALL of the exclusives.

Which so far is the Wolfman, his card, and the 2 plastic tokens. Not really all that much to shout home about at this point if you are talking about exclusives...

I'm really only in this for the minis EDIT: and the art by Adrian Smith, since the gameplay seems kind of meh based on what I've seen.

Time will tell.

~iPaint

Yeah, the minis are vastly better than the underlying game.

If CMoN did a minis & art thing, I'm sure they'd get a lot of takers.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Yeah, the minis are vastly better than the underlying game.

If CMoN did a minis & art thing, I'm sure they'd get a lot of takers.

Which makes me wonder, why aren't these companies just making these awesome minis? I know Tre has been doing it for quite some time, and I went in on his Orcs Kickstarter a while ago and it turned out excellent.

But there seems to be a market for this kind of stuff - I recently picked up a Freeband for Freeblades by DGS, and the sculpting is quite excellent. Nice thing is, I can use those minis across several different games.

Just thoughts.

The new stretch goals are a bit better, and I really hope they consider adding an art book (PDF or print, either would be awesome).

~iPaint

At the moment happy to wait for retail.

the KS exclusive SG's not grabbing me at all and spent a lot on Conan.

A bit more in the next stretch goals (and both are KS exclusive)

Oh man... what a cool troll! No way to buy this (or anything) separately yet, right?

 RiTides wrote:
Oh man... what a cool troll! No way to buy this (or anything) separately yet, right?

Correct.

An art book add on seems like a no brainer.

Make a PDF for free, hardcover for us art fans, more $$$ and more stretch goals for everyone!

The alt. Serpent clan warrior painted



Bear Clan alt sculpt on Remy's blog - http://remytremblay-sculpture.blogspot.fr/2015/03/blood-rage-bear-clan-alternative-sculpt.html



Wolf Clan alt sculpt - http://remytremblay-sculpture.blogspot.fr/2015/03/blood-rage-wolf-clan-alternative-sculpt.html

 Alex C wrote:

 RiTides wrote:
Oh man... what a cool troll! No way to buy this (or anything) separately yet, right?

Correct.

More's the pity.

I'd cough up $30-40 for all of the Monsters (only).

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 Alex C wrote:

 RiTides wrote:
Oh man... what a cool troll! No way to buy this (or anything) separately yet, right?

Correct.

More's the pity.

I'd cough up $30-40 for all of the Monsters (only).

Same. Waiting for that to come through.

Which makes me wonder, why aren't these companies just making these awesome minis? I know Tre has been doing it for quite some time, and I went in on his Orcs Kickstarter a while ago and it turned out excellent.

Thank you VERY much for your enthusiasm and support but to answer your question just look at the difference between the way my kickstarters fund and the way pretty much any KS with a game does. THAT is why. The minis might be the goodie that rewards the backer but it is definitely NOT the point that sells the product.

CMoN certainly has proven they can deliver these projects and they have done all the leg work up front on this one. This is a great product with a proven team. That alone has a lot to do with it's success.



Not to mention distributors barely even give you the time of day if you do not have a game or license to attach to your product line. At least that has been my experience anyway.


So while the minis are what people really want at the end of the day, the game is what gets people to seek out the boxes, and the boxes convince the people to pull the item off the shelf and pay for it at the register.

Art is great and marketing is better but the game is usually the justification for the actual purchase. It moves the purchase from being some really cool minis to a fruitful activity.

Pledging $75 will get you a lot of miniatures and some really, really cool art!

$75 for just the 'big monsters' available *right now* seems like a good deal to me...

Thanks Tre, it's always cool to hear some insider opinions and experiences on the miniatures industry.

~iPaint

 Alpharius wrote:
Pledging $75 will get you a lot of miniatures and some really, really cool art!

$75 for just the 'big monsters' available *right now* seems like a good deal to me...

And a free game.....

 Alpharius wrote:
Pledging $75 will get you a lot of miniatures and some really, really cool art!

$75 for just the 'big monsters' available *right now* seems like a good deal to me...

Not by KS standards.

4 big + 2 small in the base set
+4 small unlocked
+1 big on deck
= 5 big + 6 small monsters.

$7 per mini may well be a good deal by GW standards (tho I think there was a lot of whining when GW started selling elite boxes of 10 models for $50), but it's not a good deal by KS standards.

Right now, it's worth about $20 for the big and $12 for the small - $32, not $75 (+$10 S&H).

And the game....

Seriously, this isn't a KS designed to be "just for the models." I know a lot of you really want it to be, but it simply isn't.

The value for what looks to be a very fun game with very nice components is already there for many people.

The package is not "just minis." I get that some of you are looking at it like that, but to claim it's only "worth" $32 is silly.

Simply looking at a price per model equation ignores the quality of the model variable. The price per model of this quality is a fantastic value, in my opinion.

I hope they don`t add a stretch goal where they simply double the number of basic models in the game. I don`t want to paint hordes of models for a board game.

I have no interest in the game itself.

I am only interested in the Monsters, and on a fair dollar basis, they are worth $32-ish.

That $32 number is inflated, given how a typical CMoN KS value proposition is "100 minis for $100". Compare with Robotech, and it's roughly $2 per mini. At $3 per mini, I think I fairly assessed the mini sculpt quality.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
I have no interest in the game itself.

I am only interested in the Monsters, and on a fair dollar basis, they are worth $32-ish.

That $32 number is inflated, given how a typical CMoN KS value proposition is "100 minis for $100". Compare with Robotech, and it's roughly $2 per mini. At $3 per mini, I think I fairly assessed the mini sculpt quality.

They're not selling a miniatures game.

They're selling a board game.

That's the major difference here. They're not proposing to sell the miniatures separately.

Though I think it has been suggested before, I think it is almost certain that they will not do a miniatures only pledge, as the campaign looks to be set up as an "easy" campaign fulfillment wise, so they can be done with it quickly and on to their next Kickstarter.

Because of this, I also think paid add-ons might also be avoided.

Currently, I am loving the sculpts, but already have way to many board games I don't get to play nearly enough, so I will likely only back if there is a lot more added or a wider variety of sculpts unlocked for each faction, so that it would be worth it from a miniatures standpoint even if I only rarely played the game.

No Hordes here either.

They mentioned that the game is balanced to a certain amount of pieces, and would not be throwing in extra dudes just because.

 cincydooley wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
I have no interest in the game itself.

I am only interested in the Monsters, and on a fair dollar basis, they are worth $32-ish.

That $32 number is inflated, given how a typical CMoN KS value proposition is "100 minis for $100". Compare with Robotech, and it's roughly $2 per mini. At $3 per mini, I think I fairly assessed the mini sculpt quality.

They're not selling a miniatures game.

They're selling a board game.

That's the major difference here. They're not proposing to sell the miniatures separately.

A lot of board games sell extra minis for painting. A lot of board games sell miniatures packs. CMoN is infamous for adding extra minis to the pile.

I am very well aware that CMoN is packaging a set nice of miniatures as a boring board game that has ZERO inherent need for miniatures. Every single miniature in this game could be replaced with a printed token, or perhaps a colored wooden disc of varying diameter / height. Or, if getting really fancy, colored plastic "coins" with the strength embossed on them. If going 3-D, it could be cones. It wouldn't be as pretty, but it would play exactly the same.

CMoN is missing out on additional sales by not having a miniatures-only pledge.

How much savings would you actually get with just a minis only pledge?

The minis have got to be 90 percent of the production cost.

I don't think CMON would have interest in doing a minis only option or "a la carte" for a board game that happens to have minis to attract another group of people. Seems like that option would just slow down shipping/production.

Judging by the 2 week campaign they just want to get it funded, produced and out the door in one swoop.

If they were going a boutique miniature route or doing faction boxes for a skirmish or wargame I could see..

But for a board game, I would be just as happy with card board standees

The minis might be most of the production cost, only because of the initial tooling cost. Once that is paid for, the incremental production cost is quite low.

Note also that a fair chunk of cost is notionally development cost of rules, along with camera-ready artwork and the sculpting, plus playtesting / balancing.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
No Hordes here either.

They mentioned that the game is balanced to a certain amount of pieces, and would not be throwing in extra dudes just because.

I wish they would - they look lovely and they'd go well in a lot of other games, and if they went big enough I could even see going for 2x or more of the base set. As it stands, probably one set.