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Eh, the 6E book hadd as many nerfs as it did buffs (e.g. Chimeras, Vendettas, Manticores, Hydras, etc), it was just a relatively lame re-jiggling of the existing 5E book that didn't fix any of the major problems with the army, it was about as phoned-in as one could get.

 ultimentra wrote:
Is this what it felt like to be a Dark Angels player back in the day? I heard they had it pretty rough before 7th ed.

Not really. DA were fine back in 2E.

Would anyone else have liked a formation that's just 50 conscripts and a character (techpriest, lol)?

Only if those 50 Conscripts could be armed with LP & CCW...

And the tech priest had something that functions like a grot prod.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
I don't think it will be the AM codex in the spring. I think I might know what it is, but I'd prefer to keep it in the family for now, lest my brothers turn to brooding.

Brooding?

Tyranids confirmed! You heard it here first!

AM? Tyranids? Tzeentch Daemonkin?



February will hear the Saga of the Clickbait Slayer.

Fufu, tyranids had plenty of love with their additional drop pods releases :|

Well it is only the german book but the assassin and AM superheavy tank datasheets can be found here:

http://www.gamestrust.de/bilder,list1274,1,war-zone-damocles-montka.html (the tanks are at the bottom)

Well no changes there, though the Baneblade only has access to sponsons with heavy bolters, despite the picture showing it with heavy flamers. Oops!

Warhams-77 wrote:
Well it is only the german book but the assassin and AM superheavy tank datasheets can be found here:

http://www.gamestrust.de/bilder,list1274,1,war-zone-damocles-montka.html (the tanks are at the bottom)

Any Germans on dakkadakka who can give us the gist?

I have no doubt BrookM is correct, so no changes. The lack of flamers is odd though.

Not sure if this was posted before but the formations are Cadian Detachments (so they are their own subfaction of the AM ruleswise) and any unit (with a few exceptions) from the AM book can be chosen as Cadian Detachments as well. Character models from this sub-faction may pick relics from BOTH lists simultaneously.

http://www.gamestrust.de/uploads/gallery/1274/pic-29835.jpg (the english page was posted before wasnt it?)


All these are 'one per army'

http://www.gamestrust.de/uploads/gallery/1274/pic-29837.jpg

Warhams-77 wrote:
Well it is only the german book but the assassin and AM superheavy tank datasheets can be found here:

http://www.gamestrust.de/bilder,list1274,1,war-zone-damocles-montka.html (the tanks are at the bottom)

No points drop on IG super-heavies. Sweet.

this is highly disappointing...

 alleus wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Yeah, the only way these formations are worth a damn is if they are future-proofed to work with a HEAVILY buffed codex coming in the future. Not counting on it.

Can you or someone else please explain to me what you think is wrong with our current codex? I can't really find any major flaws, except the lack of strong formations and a decurion style detachment (which is the norm for newer codices now) and now we have those.

I have no problem competing with my IG army. Sure, against Eldar and Necrons there are problems, but I think our current codex is one of the more balanced ones at the moment, and it's dang fun to play. With this new detachment, the new formations and what not I think it might just become a really strong codex.

What exactly is wrong with our current codex, and what "HEAVY buffs" you speak of do we really need?

in a codex where the only good unit worth taking, is the wyvern, please tell me whats good in the current codex

Greatly disappointed with these formations. They could have done much better.

I hope that when the codex comes out that the book will have some uniqueness to the different regiments...but after seeing these formations...I'm not counting on it. Thus, my IG will still remain in their battle foam bags for another 3 years.

Yeah, not a single drop in points for the baneblade family. I love my IG but this decisively killed any hope I have for the next codex and any enthusiasm I had to work on my army besides the flyers so I can use them with my skitarii.

 Ir0njack wrote:
Yeah, not a single drop in points for the baneblade family. I love my IG but this decisively killed any hope I have for the next codex and any enthusiasm I had to work on my army besides the flyers so I can use them with my skitarii.

Yeeeah...

These lists aren't meant to update/replace existing rules from what I can tell. It's to eliminate extraneous books. As of now, Escalation is basically unnecessary to exist as its own product.

I understand that you am players are angry that you aren't getting a formation that is super op like the decurion or the Gladius strike force, but I'm surprised you guys aren't more pumped about a formation that encourages you to bring 170 infantry, lol.

I think it would be fun to field such a list personally. I think it can easily fit in 1k games too. Sounds like a good old time.

I think 1k of space marines would struggle to defeat this.

Anyone know when we're likely to see the official GW dustpan and brush, for easy removal of guardsman casualties?

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Ir0njack wrote:
Yeah, not a single drop in points for the baneblade family. I love my IG but this decisively killed any hope I have for the next codex and any enthusiasm I had to work on my army besides the flyers so I can use them with my skitarii.

Yeeeah...

These lists aren't meant to update/replace existing rules from what I can tell. It's to eliminate extraneous books. As of now, Escalation is basically unnecessary to exist as its own product.

But why not take the opportunity to sensibly adjust points costs that existed before the advent of IKs, Wraithknights, and other LOWs that are significantly cheaper and better? No one was asking for a rewrite of their rules, just take some fething points off the top and make people actually want to play some of these things.

And you might even move some product if you took the herculean effort it takes to edit a couple numbers in Publisher.

eleven11 wrote:
I understand that you am players are angry that you aren't getting a formation that is super op like the decurion or the Gladius strike force, but I'm surprised you guys aren't more pumped about a formation that encourages you to bring 170 infantry, lol.

I think it would be fun to field such a list personally. I think it can easily fit in 1k games too. Sounds like a good old time.

I think 1k of space marines would struggle to defeat this.

Us AM players aren't angry because we didn't get an OP formation. We're angry because most of the formations are quite frankly terrible or require an absurd number of models just to run. Most of us don't have 170 Guardsmen. I have 60 Guardsmen, and I've been playing Guard for 3 years now. It doesn't fix any of the problems our codex has, it just makes us buy more models.

I understand that you am players are angry that you aren't getting a formation that is super op like the decurion or the Gladius strike force, but I'm surprised you guys aren't more pumped about a formation that encourages you to bring 170 infantry, lol.

I think it would be fun to field such a list personally. I think it can easily fit in 1k games too. Sounds like a good old time.

I think 1k of space marines would struggle to defeat this.

You do get the point, that even some of the veterans simply don't have that ammount of models to put on the table?

And that it's 1k+ points BARE, without any upgrades. And watcha gonna do, when a heavy flamer dread is gonna drop on you? Smack him with your S3 atacks?

eleven11 wrote:
I understand that you am players are angry that you aren't getting a formation that is super op like the decurion or the Gladius strike force, but I'm surprised you guys aren't more pumped about a formation that encourages you to bring 170 infantry, lol.

I think it would be fun to field such a list personally. I think it can easily fit in 1k games too. Sounds like a good old time.

I think 1k of space marines would struggle to defeat this.

It can't fit in 1k games, even barebones.


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 the_Armyman wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Ir0njack wrote:
Yeah, not a single drop in points for the baneblade family. I love my IG but this decisively killed any hope I have for the next codex and any enthusiasm I had to work on my army besides the flyers so I can use them with my skitarii.

Yeeeah...

These lists aren't meant to update/replace existing rules from what I can tell. It's to eliminate extraneous books. As of now, Escalation is basically unnecessary to exist as its own product.

But why not take the opportunity to sensibly adjust points costs that existed before the advent of IKs, Wraithknights, and other LOWs that are significantly cheaper and better? No one was asking for a rewrite of their rules, just take some fething points off the top and make people actually want to play some of these things.

And you might even move some product if you took the herculean effort it takes to edit a couple numbers in Publisher.

From what I've seen?

There is literally nothing in this book that actually puts points costs down for AM, barring the Relics. This isn't like Kauyon where the Tau have certain units given adjusted points costs.

This actually does make me think we'll see a new Codex, with pretty drastic overhauls to the main rules, sometime soon.

Sad Panda wrote:
AM? Tyranids? Tzeentch Daemonkin?



February will hear the Saga of the Clickbait Slayer.

Confirmed: WhispererofTruth and Larry Vela are making a movie about Tzeentch Daemonkin

 Kanluwen wrote:

eleven11 wrote:
I understand that you am players are angry that you aren't getting a formation that is super op like the decurion or the Gladius strike force, but I'm surprised you guys aren't more pumped about a formation that encourages you to bring 170 infantry, lol.

I think it would be fun to field such a list personally. I think it can easily fit in 1k games too. Sounds like a good old time.

I think 1k of space marines would struggle to defeat this.

It can't fit in 1k games, even barebones.


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 the_Armyman wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Ir0njack wrote:
Yeah, not a single drop in points for the baneblade family. I love my IG but this decisively killed any hope I have for the next codex and any enthusiasm I had to work on my army besides the flyers so I can use them with my skitarii.

Yeeeah...

These lists aren't meant to update/replace existing rules from what I can tell. It's to eliminate extraneous books. As of now, Escalation is basically unnecessary to exist as its own product.

But why not take the opportunity to sensibly adjust points costs that existed before the advent of IKs, Wraithknights, and other LOWs that are significantly cheaper and better? No one was asking for a rewrite of their rules, just take some fething points off the top and make people actually want to play some of these things.

And you might even move some product if you took the herculean effort it takes to edit a couple numbers in Publisher.

From what I've seen?

There is literally nothing in this book that actually puts points costs down for AM, barring the Relics. This isn't like Kauyon where the Tau have certain units given adjusted points costs.

This actually does make me think we'll see a new Codex, with pretty drastic overhauls to the main rules, sometime soon.

there has to be a majour codex adjustment, cause AM in the current form will die with only formations added ...

Any rumors of named captains returning? I miss the old tallaran guy's rules. I also miss the flavor of fluff theamed builds other than cadian.

But hey, you can take 3 Baneblades along your CAD

So,
CCS
Vets
Vets
x3 Shadowswords and you still have like 300 leftover for psyker/ignores cover shenanigans

Is there any info out about anything other than formations (or things mistaken from the imperium/tau book)? This thread is a bit of a mess and I'm looking for consolidated, reliable info.

 War Kitten wrote:

eleven11 wrote:
I understand that you am players are angry that you aren't getting a formation that is super op like the decurion or the Gladius strike force, but I'm surprised you guys aren't more pumped about a formation that encourages you to bring 170 infantry, lol.

I think it would be fun to field such a list personally. I think it can easily fit in 1k games too. Sounds like a good old time.

I think 1k of space marines would struggle to defeat this.

Us AM players aren't angry because we didn't get an OP formation. We're angry because most of the formations are quite frankly terrible or require an absurd number of models just to run. Most of us don't have 170 Guardsmen. I have 60 Guardsmen, and I've been playing Guard for 3 years now. It doesn't fix any of the problems our codex has, it just makes us buy more models.

With no upgrades it's 5 points over 1k, due to the sentinels.

But you don't really need to take these formations to bring a ton of dudes. The IG codex allows you to bring 600+ infantry already in a CAD already. You can do that and not be forced to take sentinels. The new platoon command order is not even very good. It allows you to move and then fire as if you were stationary. Before you could move everything other than the heavy weapons and then issue "forward for the emperor" which would let you fire and then run. This actually gives you more movement than the new one.

I think the biggest frustration for me with this release is that the new formations are a way to spam things. Guard could already spam things. Spam them hard. I was hoping for more diverse formations that would force you to take a diverse list of units and give bonuses that would make those units useful. War Convocation for example makes you take a bunch of weird units, but by giving Canticles of the Omnissiah to them, you find new utility in them. Re-rolling 1s on lasguns does not breathe new life into the guard. I barely want to spend the time shooting the lasguns the first time.

I'm not quitting Guard or throwing a fit about what I deserve. I'll just continue to make lists that include Forgeworld units and armies.