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Sucks to hear there's issues going on for Jake. Hopefully they can get that all resolved.

On the other hand I was quite unhappy with the way he handled Dungeon Saga and some of the later components (AC especially), so it might be for the best if they part ways.

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 Nostromodamus wrote:
 Compel wrote:
Jake Thornton wrote:

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I am currently in dispute with Mantic :(

I don't want to discuss details which is why I've not mentioned anything publicly till now. I had hoped to have it sorted months ago. Unfortunately, it's taking a very long time, and until this is resolved I'm not going to be doing any more work for them on any project, new or old.

My apologies to those of you who feel caught in this crossfire. I'd rather not be here either.


Not a huge surprise I think that, "mantic... almost." ends up being a thing with their business dealings as well as their models.


Maybe they'll get the Rules Committee to take over? They did a great job with Deadzone 2 and KoW.


From what I've done RC-wise with Mantic and what I've picked up on the goings on for other RCs, it's clear to me that handing a game over to an RC at some point after launch is, in principle, going to be much, much better for the game in the future, than relying on the freelance designer beyond that point (for no other reason than the simple practical and financial implications of managing the property).

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Maybe that's what the dispute is about. JT thinks he should be engaged to continue development of the game or any errata instead of giving it to a RC.

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Regarding the Epic in 28mm comments, just to say the only real similarity between these two games is that regular infantry is based up with 5 men to a single base, beyond that they are extremely different systems.

Fundamentally, there are no 12-18 base formations in Warpath, the majority of units have a maximum size of 4 or less bases, and all bar one outlier (Plague Zombies) are 6 or less. The usage of the bases is merely to:

(i) allow much faster movement of models - it now takes 1/5th of the time to move infantry compared to other games
(ii) model the granularity of modern combat, how actual damage incurred is often very little until a moment of critical mass is reached in terms of incoming fire, at which point it increases dramatically

Unit sizes are much the same as found in 40k, the multibasing system is there as an aid to allow much faster games, like KoW does for fantasy, and to allow a more different style of damage and suppression implementation.

Warpath (non-Firefight) works perfectly well at the standard 40k game size, offering a much faster playing alternative, it's just that it can also scale up to much larger games.
   
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I wouldn't jump to too many conclusions about the dispute, Jake worked with us on the Deadzone FAQ/ errata and was very helpful and easy to work with.
   
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Well, speculation is the natural result of a lack of information, after all!

   
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So, how do the Firefight rules look at the moment? I've been too busy to check out the proofreader copy.
   
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YouKnowsIt wrote:
the multibasing system is there as an aid to allow much faster games, like KoW does for fantasy.


The problem is that as much as people say that, it's not true, and never has been - Warpath is designed around the use of multibases, and not using them is an active hindrance, making them compulsory despite the "not compulsory" tag; and again, there's a vast gulf between the combat style of a fantasy-historical game and a modern-future combat game. Multibases work for rank and flank, but they are just aesthetically wrong for modern-future combat unless you're abstracting with a smaller scale, and on top of that they're bulky and cumbersome.

I also think you're missing one other point - the vast majority of people don't want a "standard sized 40k game" anymore, because they're too damn big.

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always funny how people bring up a standard size 40k game, while that is much bigger than warpath wants to be.
7th edition of 40k is the same size like Epic but in 28mm.


Regarding Multibasing, this not a bad thing and it works quite well if the game is company level based.

I played 40k using Multibasing back in 4th, because otherwise moving around 200 Guard models would have been impossible.

Also played Flames of War in 1/72 which would be compareable to Warpath.

But Multibasing need to be done right to get a good feeling on the table for a modern combat game.
A unit need to consist of several bases, on the model count per base tell you if it is an elite unit or not.
(eg 60mm round base as standard size and for a 10 model coorperationsquad you use 3 bases like 1x heavy weapon team, 5 soldiers, unit command group, and an enforcer squad also use 3 bases with 3x3 models + individual squad leader)

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 NTRabbit wrote:

The problem is that as much as people say that, it's not true, and never has been - Warpath is designed around the use of multibases, and not using them is an active hindrance, making them compulsory despite the "not compulsory" tag;


Within the RC the development around multibases was entirely focused on improving speed of play and nothing else. I can't think of a single hindrance for not using the multibases in Warpath besides the time it takes to move the models, what ones are you referring to?

 NTRabbit wrote:
and again, there's a vast gulf between the combat style of a fantasy-historical game and a modern-future combat game. Multibases work for rank and flank, but they are just aesthetically wrong for modern-future combat


If we were talking about large, difficult to manouvre blocks I would agree with you. But in Warpath terrain is either occupied or not, so there is no need to individually place models within say a building and calculate separate lines of sight. The multibases don't rank up in Warpath, they just need to be in coherency - no different to individual models in other games.


 NTRabbit wrote:
I also think you're missing one other point - the vast majority of people don't want a "standard sized 40k game" anymore, because they're too damn big.


Perhaps that was a bad turn of phrase as the average 40k game means different things to different people and depends on the local meta. The game is balanced and enjoyable from about 35 models and up.
   
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YouKnowsIt wrote:


The game is balanced and enjoyable from about 35 models and up.


If by balanced you mean "only if you by GW's latest shiny Lord of War choice and use copy-paste formations", yes.
It was more balanced and enjoyable in 4th, and that edition had chain-charging Harlequins.
At least back then the game still felt like a squad based tactics game, instead of a mass battle game with over sized miniatures, using rules intended for squad based and infantry heavy armies.

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 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
YouKnowsIt wrote:


The game is balanced and enjoyable from about 35 models and up.


If by balanced you mean "only if you by GW's latest shiny Lord of War choice and use copy-paste formations", yes.


I was referring to Warpath
   
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YouKnowsIt wrote:
 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
YouKnowsIt wrote:


The game is balanced and enjoyable from about 35 models and up.


If by balanced you mean "only if you by GW's latest shiny Lord of War choice and use copy-paste formations", yes.


I was referring to Warpath


Oh, whoops
Carry on then

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So according to the latest Kickstarter update shipping is due to start Tuesday.
I think it's about time.
   
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Is this everything, or is the GCPS still next year?

Also, they mentioned that this was a process veterans should be familiar with. What about us folks for whom this is our first rodeo? What can we expect?



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 BrookM wrote:
Is this everything, or is the GCPS still next year?

Also, they mentioned that this was a process veterans should be familiar with. What about us folks for whom this is our first rodeo? What can we expect?


well it used to be they'd ship your stuff,

then you'd check it while cursing there was no itemised list of what should be there, find some stuff was missing, and possibly some extra stuff you didn't order thown in to

then spend 6 months trying to get replacements they couldn't do as they'd run out




but recently it's been pretty smooth with most packs containing what they were meant to have

(just don't expect everything to magically ship all at once as some people seem to do, just because bob down the road got his you may still have to wait 3-4 weeks for yours to show up.)

 
   
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 BrookM wrote:
Is this everything, or is the GCPS still next year?

Also, they mentioned that this was a process veterans should be familiar with. What about us folks for whom this is our first rodeo? What can we expect?


They haven't stated anything about the GCPS or any of the other wave two stuff being to wave one, so I'd assume they're still coming 1st quarter of next year.
   
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 Alpharius wrote:
Well, speculation is the natural result of a lack of information, after all!


Jake's now working with Monolith and Mythic on the Mythic Battles: Pantheon KS, as the community manager. (He's a friend of the design team, played the game, made some suggestions in running the KS and was volunteered for the job.) Last word on his Quirkworthy blog was that he's not working for Mantic until whatever issue has been resolved.

"Mantic Stuff

I am currently in dispute with Mantic :(

I don’t want to discuss details which is why I’ve not mentioned anything publicly till now. I had hoped to have it sorted months ago. Unfortunately, it’s taking a very long time, and until this is resolved I’m not going to be doing any more work for them on any project, new or old.

My apologies to those of you who feel caught in this crossfire. I’d rather not be here either."

"Well I’ve survived the first day, and the Mythic Battles: Pantheon KS is off to a very nice start. Over 3,100 backers have unlocked lots of goodies (and several KS Exclusives) already. I have the feeling that this is going to be a very good deal for your $99 by the time it finishes.

It’s interesting doing this Voice of Olympus role, rather than my normal game design job. A change, as they say, is as good as a rest. Not sure that works with 4 hours’ sleep though. Even so…

But I haven’t said what I’m doing. Well it’s a sort of community manager role, dealing with comments and questions as they arise, and writing the updates as needed. It’s just that Voice of Olympus sounds more interesting than community manager

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Hmmm...Wonder what this dispute is around...Maybe about money...

Not sure if a RC is the perfect answer, here. Sure, they did some nice work for KoW, but they also come with not really wise moves, like the change for Monstrous Infantery/Cavalry units sizes. It looked like small detail, but it has quite a range of changes for others rules and in the end, it gets abused by optimized players.
   
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 Sarouan wrote:
Hmmm...Wonder what this dispute is around...Maybe about money...

Not sure if a RC is the perfect answer, here. Sure, they did some nice work for KoW, but they also come with not really wise moves, like the change for Monstrous Infantery/Cavalry units sizes. It looked like small detail, but it has quite a range of changes for others rules and in the end, it gets abused by optimized players.


What change?

The only change I recall was removing single models which was driven by Mantic/Alessio, not the RC. We agreed with the decision but it wasn't our design decision and it had been implemented all the way back to the first expansion book for KoW. I'm also interested in knowing how it is abused.

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Shipping has begun, but no update on it yet, have to look at the comments. Can't tell for sure but most people seem to be receiving just the battle mat.
   
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Anyone got/can get me a size comparison pic of the walking dead miniatures?

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 JoeRugby wrote:
Anyone got/can get me a size comparison pic of the walking dead miniatures?


There's one in the game thread here:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/707010.page

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Oh god, I just noticed that Mantic's pledge manager ate my Warpath pledge. No trace of it anywhere, no confirmation emails although they have managed to charge me through Paypal for extras somehow despite there being no record with them that I ever ordered anything... Am I going to be in that limbo that happened with 200 DS (IIRC) pledges that got randomly dropped from the database, waited for ages and missed out on KS exclusives because Mantic does not order spares?

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 lord_blackfang wrote:
Oh god, I just noticed that Mantic's pledge manager ate my Warpath pledge. No trace of it anywhere, no confirmation emails although they have managed to charge me through Paypal for extras somehow despite there being no record with them that I ever ordered anything... Am I going to be in that limbo that happened with 200 DS (IIRC) pledges that got randomly dropped from the database, waited for ages and missed out on KS exclusives because Mantic does not order spares?


They had enough spares of the Walking Dead KS exclusives to be selling them on the webstore. :-(

I just hope they kept enough spares for all the KS backers with problems before they sold the rest. They won't know the scale of any problems as a lot of people haven't received them yet.

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 lord_blackfang wrote:
Oh god, I just noticed that Mantic's pledge manager ate my Warpath pledge. No trace of it anywhere, no confirmation emails although they have managed to charge me through Paypal for extras somehow despite there being no record with them that I ever ordered anything... Am I going to be in that limbo that happened with 200 DS (IIRC) pledges that got randomly dropped from the database, waited for ages and missed out on KS exclusives because Mantic does not order spares?


Mines gone as well, don't worry it has something to do with how the back end on the PM works after it's closed and they prepare for shipping, something similar happened me on a previous KS, Mantic actually emailed me to query some aspect of the order. I had the confirmation emails and sent them the ref numbers to make sure all was in order, they had all the details on their system and the order was sent without issue.

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I hope you're right but I don't have confirmation emails for my PM choices tho! No itemized list. Just the KS invoice and Paypal invoice. I know I got itemized lists in DZI, KoW2, MA.

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