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Yeah the Cactus is from Pegasus, I have some on my Nomad's bases, (box 2) if you're interested.

That's just weird though, I had first dibs Angel

 Alpharius wrote:

 Bladerunner2019 wrote:
He's too big.
I'd like to see a side-by-side of Geckos, Ajax & the Azra'il.

How do they explain what's supposed to be a regular sized human fitting into that massive suit? At least Geckos are proportioned like TAGs and have regular sized human hanging out of them & Ajax is essentially a super robot. Yan Huo are a similar case, but at least they just made them up instead of hijacking a previously iconic infinity unit.

That said, strictly as a model itself, it's great. But it doesn't make sense in the fluff or the alleged scale of the game.

That's a pretty ridiculous scale creep JUMP - wow!

Granted the Azra'il went from a normal S2 to S5...
Some references I've been looking at:
Other S5 units include: Ajax, Tarik Mansuri, Sogarats, Yan Huo, Charontids.
some S6 units include: Geckos, all varieties of dog faces, Anathematics, Sphinx, Uhlans.

I'm ok with a modest size increase to bring the Azra'il in line with newer HI choices.
Unto itself I really like the model.
However when I reconcile those 2, It's hard to picture a man in that suit when everything else that is S5 has a good reason for being a huge man. They're either a vicious alien, a crazy robot, a unique genetically engineered super soldier, or one of the most advanced mobile artillery infantry suits made by mankind.

For a plain HI choice with a Feuerbach, does the Azra'il NEED to be a 3 meter tall titan?
I'm being rather nitpicky here, & it's on me for not bothering to notice the unit entry changed them to S5.
Then again, I'd be pissed if I played Haqq. The old Azra'il was an iconic Infinity miniature. Now Im forced to replace it with this glandular freak who, while tougher, is less useful because he's huge and slow.

As someone who plays Haqqislam, has the original Azra'il miniature .. I have to say I'm not that bothered, and actually think this is an improvement in some ways!

Let me explain. Firstly, regarding the use of the original mini. I love the original one (I use the guy running with the panzerfaust as part of a QK list), you've got a choice of using him as an MI - The Fassad, or even a Sekban with ML might suit the armour style a bit more. As for the fact that the helmet looks the same as the new Azra'il, you can imagine the components for armour being modular, even being used in effect how different pieces of plate armour were combined in the middle ages; there would be some 'spec' armour from an arms company that made the helmet, and can be fitted on different armour units.

This actually fits the idea of Haqqislam, and specifically the mercenary Qapu Khalqi concept well. Bourak doesn't have access to the cutting edge technologies of Pan O or Yu Jing, you can imagine them getting shipments of older armour from other parts of the sphere and upgrading its systems in the same way as the Nomads. The armour is older, bulkier technology, they shouldn't have the MI-sized HI of someone like Aleph or even Yu Jing.

As for rules-wise, making it tougher has now fit as something along the lines of a mini-TAG. Will be good as a defensive or support unit, remembering that the Haqqislam faction has never been about HI and always short on options in that capacity compared to the others.

As I said the only bit I'm not sure about now is where it fits fluff-wise, in terms of if its a gene-boosted guy inside like Tarik Mansuri (like you say Blade Runner, this isn't a massive Morat warrior inside). AFAIK there hasn't been any background update for the unit, but one would have to assume this is the case?

Just my thoughts on it anyway! Have to say I'm looking forward to getting this guy and painting him in a camo-scheme, (not that it will help him hide at all!)

 Bladerunner2019 wrote:
He's too big.
I'd like to see a side-by-side of Geckos, Ajax & the Azra'il.

How do they explain what's supposed to be a regular sized human fitting into that massive suit? At least Geckos are proportioned like TAGs and have regular sized human hanging out of them & Ajax is essentially a super robot. Yan Huo are a similar case, but at least they just made them up instead of hijacking a previously iconic infinity unit.

That said, strictly as a model itself, it's great. But it doesn't make sense in the fluff or the alleged scale of the game.

WTH!!! I did not think scale creep was that noticeable but that is just wrong! So this is the new route for infinity... updating stuff with computer tech and scale it double size??? Not cool.

iirc Bostria told us at the National of Barcelona that the size of the older Azra'ils was just because the the guy doing the sculpt got the size wrong, Azra'il were always supposed to be this size.

 Pacific wrote:
This actually fits the idea of Haqqislam, and specifically the mercenary Qapu Khalqi concept well. Bourak doesn't have access to the cutting edge technologies of Pan O or Yu Jing, you can imagine them getting shipments of older armour from other parts of the sphere and upgrading its systems in the same way as the Nomads. The armour is older, bulkier technology, they shouldn't have the MI-sized HI of someone like Aleph or even Yu Jing.

Not quite true. Haqqislam actually has a unit in some of the highest tech powered armour in in the Sphere - Asawira are noted as having the finest light powered armour available. They just don't spend that sort of money very often.

Azra'il - and this is flat out stated in the fluff right from N2 - choose to use outdated, overly large, intimidating powered armour. It's not about having the best, it's about someone rounding a corner and gaking themselves when they see the Azra'il.

Personally, I was always disappointed in the Azra'il models. Not that they were bad (they're fantastic), but did not get anywhere near fitting the units fluff. The new model absolutely does. The old models were simply far too small, even for the era they were sculpted. They look like MI, not HI in intimidating, overly large armour.

That said, I really wish they added a Fauerbach option to the Fassed to go with the Rifle/Panzerfaust profile, dropped the old, ugly Fassed model, and simply repurposed the old Azra'il into new Ahl Fassed. Would have pleased both sides.

Also, correct scale was not the strength of the first Infinity miniatures. I still shudder when thinking back to some of my nomads back then. That always kept me from really getting into Infinity.

 NAVARRO wrote:

 Bladerunner2019 wrote:
He's too big.
I'd like to see a side-by-side of Geckos, Ajax & the Azra'il.

How do they explain what's supposed to be a regular sized human fitting into that massive suit? At least Geckos are proportioned like TAGs and have regular sized human hanging out of them & Ajax is essentially a super robot. Yan Huo are a similar case, but at least they just made them up instead of hijacking a previously iconic infinity unit.

That said, strictly as a model itself, it's great. But it doesn't make sense in the fluff or the alleged scale of the game.

WTH!!! I did not think scale creep was that noticeable but that is just wrong! So this is the new route for infinity... updating stuff with computer tech and scale it double size??? Not cool.

It's not scale creep. Its a redesign of the concept. The old model was too small for what it was, the new model has a higher ARM, and specifically says it uses outdated, massive, bulky power armour. It's not like the new Akali is twice the size of the old one.

Sweet Jesus, INFINITY has gotten their version of the 40k centurion suit! That thing is huge.

 warboss wrote:
Sweet Jesus, INFINITY has gotten their version of the 40k centurion suit! That thing is huge.

Oof please don't mention those things. At least the new super-massive Infinity models look dynamic. Centurions look more like the Christmas story kid



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 aldo wrote:
iirc Bostria told us at the National of Barcelona that the size of the older Azra'ils was just because the the guy doing the sculpt got the size wrong, Azra'il were always supposed to be this size.

I'd like to see that if true. It would explain a great many things.
The previous Azra'il did come out during the period where CB was releasing very small things compared to their original lot of models.
Much like the female Hsien for example.

I'd also be interested to see the old & newer infinity models measured for size like a police lineup. Also compare those models to something allegedly of a 35mm scale, like Knight Models Batman miniatures.
Infinity is supposed to be 28mm scale. I guess S2 size ought to be 28mm. I Would like to see how they've deviated above or below that norm over the years.

 Bladerunner2019 wrote:

 warboss wrote:
Sweet Jesus, INFINITY has gotten their version of the 40k centurion suit! That thing is huge.

Oof please don't mention those things. At least the new super-massive Infinity models look dynamic. Centurions look more like the Christmas story kid

It's definitely more stylish and better posed execution of the same not so great concept. I would have been fine with it if it had been a head taller than other power armor but that thing looks like it is almost gecko sized. At that size, is there any difference in it functionally in the rules between that big of a heavy infantry power armor and a small manned TAG? From what I've read here in the thread, you can hack both but I don't know if what you can do with each is different.

edit: assuming that they're on the same sized base (not sure.. lmk if not), it looks like it is midway between a gecko and infantry.

Ok, so his hands and feet obviously aren't IN the hands and feet.
I guess it makes sense, as technology advances it become smaller, more efficient. Mobility starts to be favoured over armor etc.

Warboss wrote:
edit: assuming that they're on the same sized base (not sure.. lmk if not), it looks like it is midway between a gecko and infantry.

Actually, if you look at it stat-wise it's not a whole lot off the Gecko. A bit slower, 1 less structure point, 1 size smaller silhouette (and.. can't fight in zero-g? ) But, it's a fair bit cheaper in points.

I agree the concept seems somewhat similar to a GW Centurion (although, guy in powered armour is a pretty common sci-fi trope!) although the Centurion I think is probably one of the worst miniature releases by GW in recent years, and doesn't come out very well in the comparison.

 Bladerunner2019 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

While I like it, I must ask, why the huge hump back?

I think that's because they used the Sogarat torso as the core of the mini. Or at least, it looks that way. Dunno, maybe it's just the pose.

The proper GW analogue would be terminators, who are already huge enough. Centurions are just plain stupid.

WH40k ASIDE!...
S5 HI is much better than a gecko.
TAGs are vulnerable to more hacker programs.

That aside, most of us are underwhelmed with the gecko unit profile. They're an expensive unit, have mediocre weapon choices & are very squishy for TAGs.
The S6 PanO TAGs are far superior, but you don't see them since there are no models out yet...

Macayana!!!1!!!11!1!!1111!!!!1!


Best. TAG. In. The. Game.

If only I could be so grossly incandescent.
And if only Corvus would release her before the normal Tik (no, they wont, Tiks being the dumb brother they will be the first ones to be released so everybody buys them to proxy as Tony)

 Pacific wrote:

Warboss wrote:
edit: assuming that they're on the same sized base (not sure.. lmk if not), it looks like it is midway between a gecko and infantry.

Actually, if you look at it stat-wise it's not a whole lot off the Gecko. A bit slower, 1 less structure point, 1 size smaller silhouette (and.. can't fight in zero-g? ) But, it's a fair bit cheaper in points.

I agree the concept seems somewhat similar to a GW Centurion (although, guy in powered armour is a pretty common sci-fi trope!) although the Centurion I think is probably one of the worst miniature releases by GW in recent years, and doesn't come out very well in the comparison.

Terminator armour, not Centurion armour. Terminator is heavy powered armour worn as your armour. Centurion armour is heavy powered armour worn as armour to your light powered armour. There's no light powered armour underneath the Azra'ils heavy powered armour.

 aldo wrote:
Macayana!!!1!!!11!1!!1111!!!!1!


Best. TAG. In. The. Game.

If only I could be so grossly incandescent.
And if only Corvus would release her before the normal Tik (no, they wont, Tiks being the dumb brother they will be the first ones to be released so everybody buys them to proxy as Tony)

As far as the Toni/Tik issue, take the Gecko as an example. One box with both Eduardo ( Toni's Tikbalang's name, FYI) and a regular Tik. They are all S6 silhouettes... and you can field both in a list
Is there going to be a FicZone event this month? Seems like it was end of April last year.

Azra'il is big. Hmmm, I may eventually get one. It can block LoF to S2 units if nothing else. The Akalis Spitfire though is a definite. Now, about a SWC box of Regulars, or even Bagh-Mari...

Enough about Hulk'il, where's the Yaogats!?

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
Enough about Hulk'il, where's the Yaogats!?

This so much

Infinity Releases

Akalis Sikh Commando with Spitfire





Azra'il with Feuerbach






Corregidor Jaguars





Yaogat Strike Infantry





Authorized Bounty Hunter

The jaguars are by far the worst models but damn Angel is one hell of an artist... Those tattoos are neat!

Stupid Angel and his painting.

I don't need those Jaguars, other than the Zsasz look-alike with the blades. I don;t need to collect Nomads. I don't need a 5th (?) army.

Wow.. lots of new pics. Are the jaguars just sleeveless scruffy Gears of War 3-esque versions of the Alguacil? For those more familiar with the models, do they use the same bodies?

I like the Jags a bit more than I thought I would too...

Interesting!

The Yaogats are the star of the show this month though!

I don't like the Jaguars but they look vastly better painted. And I love those Yaogats.

I actually like the shotty Jaguar. I'm not very keen on the Yaogats though. I think it's more to do with the color palette chosen for them. Like that, they look too much like the Vanguard Infantry, just with helmets. I think a scheme closer to the original would've helped them look more unique. Eh, bring out the Rodoks, I say!

Top notch stuff again from Corvus, the Yaogat look particularly menacing! As does the Akalis and then there's the Azra'il which ticks all of the boxes as far as I'm concerned and not a rage fist or convenient rock in sight! Time for a third faction? Not yet! Not yet!

 warboss wrote:
Wow.. lots of new pics. Are the jaguars just sleeveless scruffy Gears of War 3-esque versions of the Alguacil? For those more familiar with the models, do they use the same bodies?

Definitely not the same bodies, some shared characteristics due to the wonders of CAD but they are new sculpts.

 Chillreaper wrote:

 warboss wrote:
Wow.. lots of new pics. Are the jaguars just sleeveless scruffy Gears of War 3-esque versions of the Alguacil? For those more familiar with the models, do they use the same bodies?

Definitely not the same bodies, some shared characteristics due to the wonders of CAD but they are new sculpts.

Thanks. I noticied some similarities and wasn't sure if they just reused the same basic CAD model as a start point and changed it a bunch or if it was just an arms/head parts swap like that cosplay gencon model.