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The rules for Pha's Protection, claim that all shooting attacks against the unit that don't use BS must roll a 4+ or not shoot.

So how does that work with Cannons, Flame throwers, Stone throwers and other simmilar weapons?

After all you don't know if the protectd unit is being attacked by such attacks, until after the shot is made, because they don't target specific units but rather just scatter/bounce in a random pattern that can't be fully predicted.

Edit: I looked at the FAQs and couldnt find an answer if i missed something feel free to imnform me

I'd have to say it pertains as to who the intended target is. If the unit with Pha's is the "primary target" for the shot then they roll the 4+. If the shot scatters onto the target by luck of the dice, I'd say no as the roll is before. Most artillery it's pretty obvious who the opponent is trying to shoot so unless your opponent is REALLY trying to be a jerk, it shouldn't be a problem.

Well i'm prepping for my 1st tourney so jerks might be a problem, hence why i'm askin

Surtur wrote:I'd have to say it pertains as to who the intended target is. If the unit with Pha's is the "primary target" for the shot then they roll the 4+. If the shot scatters onto the target by luck of the dice, I'd say no as the roll is before. Most artillery it's pretty obvious who the opponent is trying to shoot so unless your opponent is REALLY trying to be a jerk, it shouldn't be a problem.

+1

DarkAngelHopeful

You still declare a target unit with that shooting, so if you declare the unit with pha's then you have to roll the 4+.

nosferatu1001 wrote:You still declare a target unit with that shooting, so if you declare the unit with pha's then you have to roll the 4+.

QFT I really hope you don't run into anyone that is that big of a jerk, because them arguing differently would be idiotic. Also you have to center a template over a target model, you can't shot into space and hope to scatter somewhere. Cannons and flamers also have to declare their intended target.

Sol wrote:Cannons and flamers also have to declare their intended target.

Thats just it i can't find where it says that, pointers please .

Page 38 shooting summary #1 Nominate a unit to shot. Clear enough?

Ahh thanks, that should work

Sol wrote:Page 38 shooting summary #1 Nominate a unit to shot. Clear enough?

Actually we're referring to warmachines who nominate a point to shoot.

Stonethrowers have to nominate a point on a unit.

No you don't. You may fire a stonethrower anywhere in LoS. If you target a unit specifically, you must nominate a point on the unit.

Surtur wrote:Actually we're referring to warmachines who nominate a point to shoot.

Finally someone sees the point of this whole thread.
Now then how's that situation handled under RAW

HoverBoy wrote:

Surtur wrote:Actually we're referring to warmachines who nominate a point to shoot.

Finally someone sees the point of this whole thread.
Now then how's that situation handled under RAW

So, what you're getting at is, if a unit has Pha's Protection and a warmachine chooses to target a point just outside of the unit and then the template scatters on top of the unit, how do you deal with that, right?

If you do not target the unit then you do not get any bonus from pha's protection, as they are not the targetted unit.

DarkAngelHopeful wrote:

HoverBoy wrote:

Surtur wrote:Actually we're referring to warmachines who nominate a point to shoot.

Finally someone sees the point of this whole thread.
Now then how's that situation handled under RAW

So, what you're getting at is, if a unit has Pha's Protection and a warmachine chooses to target a point just outside of the unit and then the template scatters on top of the unit, how do you deal with that, right?

Thats it.

Cannon - can be aimed at a point on the table, therefore if you do not target the Pha'd unit no protection

FLamethrowers - have to be fired at a target in LOS, from context "target" always refers to an enemy unit unless specified otherwise. So if you target the Pha'd unit you would gain protection.

Stonethrowers - as for cannon, same Pha'd protection as for cannon

So only flamethrowers have a definite enemy unit target, and are therefore least likely to be able to avoid Pha's rules. Anything that declares a non-Pha-unit entity as target (e.g. the ground) will not trigger Pha, even with scattering into a Pha'd unit, as they have not targetted Pha's unit.

In other words it doesnt make a huge amount of difference to cannons, just stops you placing the stonethrower template direclty above the unit

Rightio, throwers and cannons fire away till the next FAQ hits

The new FAQ hit, the spell works now.

Yes, on first read, I kind of like how they've solved it...