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As I sit here painting Skaven, I wonder what Dakka thinks about starting new armies (whatever amount of "starting" it entails) as soon as or soon after they come out.

Another form of bandwagoning, I guess, is starting a new army because someone has won with a certain list.

My opinion? As of right now, I plan on bandwagoning the gak out of some Dark Eldar. But no particular list from the internet has ever motivated me.

I'm confused as to why it wouldn't be ok...

If you like a new release, and you want to buy it, go for your life.

I think it depends on why. Generally I tend to think people who bandwagon certain lists due to tournament winnings to be more of the waac type. Unfair judgement I'm sure but thats generally my opinion. Of course it also depends on player conduct more than anything else. If you see a list you like and want to try I'd say go for it, though I think there should generally be more reason to switch armies than 'omg dey are da 1337'. That said, everyone has different preferences so to each his own.

I think the bandwagon is a good thing to jump on in dark eldar's case simply because they should finally have up to date rules, good looking models (crossing my fingers), and aren't as difficult to paint. I nearly jumped on the BA wagon just for the Sang. Guard models and those nid MC's were mighty tempting. Idk about Dark Elves so I can't say (eldar were a convenient example)

My two cents.

If your reason for starting a new army is "I like the new look." I'm fine with that.

However if your reason for starting a new army is "I'm going to spam new underpointed unit x." I'm fine with that too.

Cause it's not my money or time being spent therefore none of my business.

insaniak wrote:I'm confused as to why it wouldn't be ok...

Me, too. (Hence the thread.) But I see this term used negatively around Dakka pretty consistently.


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avantgarde wrote:Cause it's not my money or time being spent therefore none of my business.

Certainly it might be your business if it effects the types of armies you end up playing against.

Hello all,
I think it's fine to 'bandwagon'. When a new release is coming out, there are articles and heavy metal pictures and all kinds of talk about the army on the internet to get you real interested! Wonderful new models and excitement as people try to adjust to the new army. It doesn't make sense to keep from buying the army until it's old and you missed all the initial fun. Change is a vital part of keeping the game and GW going. Anyways, eventually if you jump on the bandwagon every time, you will have -all- the armies, and that's not a bad thing if you have space and money

Just my thoughts,
Frankie

I think it's perfectly reasonable to bandwagon if you aren't a really good player and don't want to be left in the dust because you can't compete easily in the current environment.

All bandwagoners who jumped onto the new blood angel codex because it was overpowered and brutal (like myself) should just be castrated and removed from the genepool. Cuz we're jerks. However, I might bandwagon the dark eldar when(if) they come out if I like the look of them-but that army bandwagoning will be based on appearance-not ability. As for the BA, I just needed to finally go w/ a scheme for my marines...and blood angels seemed the most brok-uhh...I mean coolest

Cheese Elemental wrote:I think it's perfectly reasonable to bandwagon if you aren't a really good player and don't want to be left in the dust because you can't compete easily in the current environment.

Agreed. Bandwagoning helps level the playing field for newer players and gives them a fighting chance at competitions, and as they go about playing they will eventually/inevitably end the bandwagoning trend.

Furthermore, its my experience that most players don't "bandwagon" so they can win more games, but because the interest was there from the start, and now that its something new, the attraction to attempt it is too strong.

Besides that, a lot of people think of bandwagoning as a group of psychopathic/sociopathic WAACers that buy the latest army, get it tournament ready ASAP, use them until the next codex comes out, and then sends them to the ebay scrap-pile in favor of the new army, rinse and repeat. I don't know ANYONE who does this. Do you? I think most people "bandwagon" because they like the game, and they want to collect, more than anything else.

And IF that is really the way it works, which I doubt, then thats cool too, more cheap stuff for me!

Manchu wrote:

avantgarde wrote:Cause it's not my money or time being spent therefore none of my business.

Certainly it might be your business if it effects the types of armies you end up playing against.

I've never seen a swing in army demographics big enough that I'd dislike pick up games. Even when SW went from the army of choice for guys that think their wolves to everybody and their cousins has SW, it at least made SW players bearable.

It's alright to bandwagon, we all like starting new armies, and whatever is new is the easiest to have access to and will be up to date.

You'll only see people moaning if they think they're being unfairly beaten by a new superforce when, really, they just don't know how to counter them.

There is no issue as far as I am concerned, if the race is there to be used; use them.

There really needs to be an "Ehhh" option. I don't really care one way or another.

I jumped on the IG bandwagon but didn't even play them until a year later. Guess that doesn't really count.

Everyone likes shiny new models.

The reason why some people get bothered by it? Because they picked the unpopular armies just to be different, and when they get updated and suddenly more people are playing them (whether or not they really are "bandwagon jumpers" or were just waiting for the update to come due to gak models or rules), suddenly they aren't "unique" and "special" anymore. Butthurt ensues and 35-year-olds turn into elitist bullies crying about people taking up their army who haven't earned the right because they weren't a fan two-three editions ago (whether or not they were in diapers at the time makes no difference).

I've said before that I think there are "wrong" reasons to get into an army, but in reality I don't really get bothered by it. I don't really give a crap why people play this or that. I still say that you should play an army because the aesthetic, background or play style appeal to you and not just because no one else plays it, or because it's the new army and it supposedly owns all the others, etc., but in the end you should do whatever you want to do. Don't pick 'nids when you actually wanted to play Space Marines just because you feel like there might be "too many" Marines (there are, but that's beside the point ).

I jumped on the IG bandwagon

I did, too. I really wanted a Catachan army because the valkyrie just came out and they had the new command squad that looked awesome, and I was thinking of cool camo schemes for them and how to build a list around Straken, but then I got my first Catachan jungle fighters kit and...was disappointed. I knew they were bad, but didn't know just how bad. I started hoarding the metals because they were superior but ended up losing interest because I didn't have the time or patience to put together a horde army.

Kind of the same reason I got out of Orks. I spent a lot of money gathering bikes together, then realized just how much more I'd have to spend before I could actually play (and how much I'd have to paint), and then sold what all I had to pay bills at the time. Turns out I wasn't quite as good at converting as I thought I was, either.

And now here I am doing 'nids (for the second time), even though it appears I'll have to play them as a horde (because I'm unsure of how competitive warrior spam is now, especially after they nerfed spods). I'm just going to put them together slowly, taking my time with them and building them up when I get a chance to, and hopefully I don't have to wait too long for GW to put out kits for all the models that are missing them.

I stick to my armies now; Space Wolves and Lizardmen.
Mostly because I know how much money I've wasted over the years of armies I've never used.

My Girlfriend collects Skaven because she likes rats, and I figured getting her into them when they've just been released is the best way.

In my opinion "bandwagoning" is totally ok. IMHO its only a problem with the already mentioned elitist people who are not special anymore.
But i dont see, why you shouldn't start an army with shiny new models and good ruleset.
I started playing BA with the PDF (switched over from DA) and i really like the fact, that there are more BA now out there.

The only good thing about bandwagon jumpers is that their stuff is often up on ebay a few months later and it can be scored for a major discount.

All praise to the bandwagoneers.

I'm generally NOT a fan of the new, shiny models (in the BA case, too many shiny nipples) and in the case of the other armies I have, I deliberately search out older models.

chaos0xomega wrote:

Besides that, a lot of people think of bandwagoning as a group of psychopathic/sociopathic WAACers. I don't know ANYONE who does this. Do you?

Unfortunately yes I do. I had to play one of them at our store this past weekend. Sucked every ounce of fun I usually get out of the games by him blabbing how great his new army is and how blahblahblah The fact that he was utterly unsportsman like and bragged about tabling my friend (his 2nd game btw) made it worse. He was also a cheating git.

Sorry, back on topic. I presume the OT doesn't intend this in his post however those as mentioned above I loathe as a hobbyist/fun n' fluffy gamer.

I like bringing an army to a tournament that not everyone else has.

I've pre-empted the bandwagoners jumping onto Dark Eldar by acquiring Necrons. =p

I think its more of a motivation issue than anything else.

I'm a hardcore Deathwing full terminators player. Problem? They are not balanced or competitive I still take them out for friendly and tournaments though!

So now I "only" play 26 in a 2k list... and I have a full JP BA and a cookie cutter SW in the pipeline (thanks to ebay deals, I have quite a few jars laying around )... the reason behind is to have flexibility on what to play depending on my mood.

Since these 2 are not the "core" armies, they are 2k that are seen as tested and trimmed: I'm not going to go into much experimentation.

This is dumb. When I started to build a new Space Wolves army I copped a gutful of this trash-talk from whining players. I've been playing Space Wolves for thirteen years. I got it for Skaven. If O&G are any good when they get updated, it'll be the same.

When a new book comes out, people who find that the army appeals to them (or who already played that army) purchase miniatures or use the army list because the old one becomes defunct. Half of everyone who doesn't decide to collect the new army has enough common sense to realise this. A significant proportion of the remainder bitch and whine about 'bandwagoning', which is being used in a derogatory fashion.

This is a troll thread. Kill it with flame.

Well, I checked the results of the poll before voting, and I found that most people say that it's good to jump on the bandwagon, so based upon that, I jumped on the bandwagon and voted yes.

Arctik_Firangi wrote:This is dumb. When I started to build a new Space Wolves army I copped a gutful of this trash-talk from whining players. I've been playing Space Wolves for thirteen years. I got it for Skaven. If O&G are any good when they get updated, it'll be the same.

When a new book comes out, people who find that the army appeals to them (or who already played that army) purchase miniatures or use the army list because the old one becomes defunct. Half of everyone who doesn't decide to collect the new army has enough common sense to realise this. A significant proportion of the remainder bitch and whine about 'bandwagoning', which is being used in a derogatory fashion.

This is a troll thread. Kill it with flame.

First off, this is not a troll thread. Second, I can't figure out you answer to the question from your post.

I think it's kind of lame, but whatever. I think it's the reason you see so many half-painted spam lists out there.

But I don't have a real problem with it.

chromedog wrote:
I'm generally NOT a fan of the new, shiny models (in the BA case, too many shiny nipples) and in the case of the other armies I have, I deliberately search out older models.

Could someone please tell me what the problem with nipples is? If you dont like this part of male anatomy on models, then just cut them away.
I read this every now and then in posts and always wonder what the problem is.. so i thought ill ask .

Scott-S6 wrote:Everyone likes shiny new models.

QFT, I think its fine, if you concider yourself doing that of course. A new army or resculpts to bring models up to date will always be bought why should you feel you are on the "bandwagon" for getting somthing you like. I collect mostly as a hobbist for lack of getting time to actualy get a game, and I'll be damned if someone stops me from getting what I want by saying "I'm just jumping on the bandwagon". I'll say I "jumped" on the BA release and SW, not to powergame or use the lastest "broken" army (as said lack of games) but I really loved the model range that came out and I might as well get the codex at the same time as I'll be playing them as BA or whatever they are.

It can get a little..repeditive when the forums are flooded with the newest release and seems everyone is doing the same stuff and you got sevral WIP/rules/general discussions threads going etc etc..and its like, look at all these wagon members. . I totaly intend(missus pending) to get the new DE stuff and the GK stuff that might be coming(hope they do plastics if they do). So it all depends if the models are awesome(then yes) or if they still suck(then no).

rant over.

Iron Angel wrote:

chromedog wrote:
I'm generally NOT a fan of the new, shiny models (in the BA case, too many shiny nipples) and in the case of the other armies I have, I deliberately search out older models.

Could someone please tell me what the problem with nipples is? If you dont like this part of male anatomy on models, then just cut them away.
I read this every now and then in posts and always wonder what the problem is.. so i thought ill ask .

I have no idea what the issue is.
Romans and Greeks had chestplates that were idealized musculature and included the nipples. The BA armor is influenced by this. Nothing more.

Maybe some people were scarred more than others by Joel Schumacher's Batman and Robin.

Manchu wrote:

Arctik_Firangi wrote:This is dumb. When I started to build a new Space Wolves army I copped a gutful of this trash-talk from whining players. I've been playing Space Wolves for thirteen years. I got it for Skaven. If O&G are any good when they get updated, it'll be the same.

When a new book comes out, people who find that the army appeals to them (or who already played that army) purchase miniatures or use the army list because the old one becomes defunct. Half of everyone who doesn't decide to collect the new army has enough common sense to realise this. A significant proportion of the remainder bitch and whine about 'bandwagoning', which is being used in a derogatory fashion.

This is a troll thread. Kill it with flame.

First off, this is not a troll thread. Second, I can't figure out you answer to the question from your post.

Nevermind, man(chu). I was responding to Cheese's remark.

The question is addressed to 'Dakka'. How am I supposed to answer it?

Everyone, please read my original post as 'Cheese Elemental is still a troll.'

The only problem I have is when people bandwagon for the sole reason that newer codices are usualy more powerful. I don't mind playing an army because its powerful, but when you update your army every single codex release just so you can use the new army that no one knows how to beat just to win, that makes no sense, just stick to what you like.

I liked Space Wolves before they were cool (Although it seems that recently more people hate the new dex than bandwagon to it.)

I have no idea what the issue is.
Romans and Greeks had chestplates that were idealized musculature and included the nipples. The BA armor is influenced by this. Nothing more.

I'm not sure about that. That kind of armor seems kind of impractical, since the grooves in the armor would be easy to catch a spear in, rather than flat armor that deflects weapons better, and it would take way to long to make.