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Unlike some companies, Wargames Factory actively solicits feedback from their customers and acts on it.

Today it's poll asking which cavalry set they should do next

http://www.wargamesfactory.com/AnnouncementRetrieve.aspx?ID=35375

Along with a bunch of historicals and Amazons they're also considering Greatcoat Shock Troops.

Considering GW has never made plastic rough riders and only sells 20 year old big hat Atillans I know who I'm voting for.

"Primitive Shock Troop Transport"?

Is this Greatcoats on horses?
Is this Greatcoats on bicycles? I would LOVE a Bicycle Corps.
Is this a WWI-era Greatcoat tank?

Are their models any good in person? is it just styrene like GW uses? I was looking at some of their viking models, they look kinda nice. Does their scale fit well with WFB?

Absolutionis wrote:
Is this Greatcoats on bicycles? I would LOVE a Bicycle Corps.

Ha! You just brought to mind Greatcoats on penny-farthings! I'm picturing the genestealer cult heads, riding them, twirling their tentacles like a mustache! I want this now.

I went in with every intention of voting for Shock Troops, but I was overpowered by the need to vote for "New Colonial Texas Rangers." The possibilities are endless...

I want more than anything for wargames factory to produce a vehicle that could have wheels or tracks (easily done by having sides skirts and only the bottom of the tracks or wheels showing, that also could have a MBT style turret, and IFV style turret, no turret, and sponsons, no sponsons. This would allow for litteraly 5 -7 vehicles in one sprue. I think this would be a great way for them to test out their vehicle market.

I voted for the Greatcoat option. In part because I think that they would yield the biggest profit for WGF, and in part because there was no Mongol Horsemen option in the poll.

Necros wrote:Are their models any good in person? is it just styrene like GW uses? I was looking at some of their viking models, they look kinda nice. Does their scale fit well with WFB?

Saddly No, their best product is the greatcoats but with their ranges being so sparse and their sculptor being well... horrible, and too many parts on their historicals they have been getting picked up by a lot less people.

@EMPCHILD

Horrible? really? Wow i do not think I agree with you at all. Are they FW quality, no. However calling the great coats or any of the newer sculpts horrible is a joke, and a bad one. Horrible is GW minotaurs. Horrible and borring are the old Catachans. Please try to be fair in your critiques.

Bodichi wrote:@EMPCHILD

Horrible? really? Wow i do not think I agree with you at all. Are they FW quality, no. However calling the great coats or any of the newer sculpts horrible is a joke, and a bad one. Horrible is GW minotaurs. Horrible and borring are the old Catachans. Please try to be fair in your critiques.

I am being very fair in critiques. Their models often contain way to many pieces and take far to long to piece together. The faces though look on on sprue have too little in actual definition when you start painting and show up rather flat. I and several of my friends switched to warlord games, and in doing so tried to sell off our wargames factory.. To say the least I couldn't even give them away their popularity has dropped so low. You get a lot for a cheap price but in doing that you sacrifice quality for quanity.

Bodichi wrote:@EMPCHILD

Horrible? really? Wow i do not think I agree with you at all. Are they FW quality, no. However calling the great coats or any of the newer sculpts horrible is a joke, and a bad one. Horrible is GW minotaurs. Horrible and borring are the old Catachans. Please try to be fair in your critiques.

I disagree. GW Minotaurs are bad. But not horrible. Much better than WGF. Their products looks as if they were 3 inch prototypes sculpted out of playdo. They are terrible miniatures. It is this fanboy love thing that really annoys me.

I got some free WGF zombie and celt samples at my local gaming store, They were hideously horrible. They were a sore in the eye to look at. I tried trading them for something else. Nobody wanted them. You would have to be a Golden Daemon painter to make them look in anyway decent. And this stupid fanboy cult developing around them saying the WGF minis are awesome is justing annoying. I ended up burning them and throwing the ashes in hole. That is what they deserve. Their digital sculptor for the minis is just terrible.

Necros, the Wargames Factory vikings are pretty good. You can read my review of them, focused on using them in Warhammer, on my blog.

http://adventuresinminiaturegaming.blogspot.com/2010/01/wargames-factory-vikings-review-and.html

There are some comparison photos. Basically, they're about the same height as Warhammer Empire figures, but not as bulky, and much more realistically proportioned. The arms, heads, and weapons in particular are much smaller than on GW figures. So they'd probably look fine in different units (mine will be mercenaries from Norsca), but you definitely wont' be able to mix parts between the realistically proportioned Wargames Factory figures and the "heroically" proportioned Games Workshop figures.

Absolutionis wrote:"Primitive Shock Troop Transport"?

Is this Greatcoats on horses?
Is this Greatcoats on bicycles? I would LOVE a Bicycle Corps

Best quote I've seen all week! Gets my vote.

Warboss Narznok wrote:

Bodichi wrote:@EMPCHILD

Horrible? really? Wow i do not think I agree with you at all. Are they FW quality, no. However calling the great coats or any of the newer sculpts horrible is a joke, and a bad one. Horrible is GW minotaurs. Horrible and borring are the old Catachans. Please try to be fair in your critiques.

I disagree. GW Minotaurs are bad. But not horrible. Much better than WGF. Their products looks as if they were 3 inch prototypes sculpted out of playdo. They are terrible miniatures. It is this fanboy love thing that really annoys me.

I got some free WGF zombie and celt samples at my local gaming store, They were hideously horrible. They were a sore in the eye to look at. I tried trading them for something else. Nobody wanted them. You would have to be a Golden Daemon painter to make them look in anyway decent. And this stupid fanboy cult developing around them saying the WGF minis are awesome is justing annoying. I ended up burning them and throwing the ashes in hole. That is what they deserve. Their digital sculptor for the minis is just terrible.

Hold on now. Lets be realistic. Burn them and throw them in a whole? Really? is that what you did with them? Exagerate much? I am not a fanboy, I didn't say these were the be all endall of models. But you are claiming that free is too expensive a price for them. I have to disagree. Burn them and throw them in a hole? I have to assume that you are either 10 or being a troll.

This is going to turn into thread derailment, but calling WGFs kits "horrible" (not to mention "burning them and throwing the ashes into a hole" ) is a bit much. Their kits are servicable, and fairly priced for their level of quality.

SkaerKrow wrote:This is going to turn into thread derailment, but calling WGFs kits "horrible" (not to mention "burning them and throwing the ashes into a hole" ) is a bit much. Their kits are servicable, and fairly priced for their level of quality.

Though personally I think their models are horrible and I have explained why I feel that way I do agree that "burning them" and such is a pretty bad way or representation for yourself. I at least gave my points on why I feel they are an inferior model but never resorted to that level.

Warboss Narznok wrote:
And this stupid fanboy cult developing around them saying the WGF minis are awesome is justing annoying. I ended up burning them and throwing the ashes in hole. That is what they deserve. Their digital sculptor for the minis is just terrible.

Do you really have any ashes to speak of after you burn them? I mean, the few times I've ever dealt with subjecting plastic to large amounts of heat such as that of an open flame, all I've really only ever got was a melty soup of burning hot plastic that sticks to everything. I'm unsure of the actual level of heat you'd have to subject it to in order to get it to reduce such that it leaves ashes. I believe that, since the melting point is obviously lower than wood, you'd have to have some marginally small flame, but I'm no chemist/physicist. Really, it would probably take a very deliberate amount to get it to ash, such that I have a hard time believing that it would be done in any sort of practical fit of nerd rage/poetic disposal-in-protest of wargaming objects. What would be much cooler would be to melt it, in spite of the braincell killing fumes and sticky mess, and pour it into a cast of your own device which is much cooler than the sculpts in question, and then show off how you, like the phoenix, wrought divine creation from where there was naught previously.

Or you could complain and use hyperbole. Your choice.

daedalus wrote:

Warboss Narznok wrote:
And this stupid fanboy cult developing around them saying the WGF minis are awesome is justing annoying. I ended up burning them and throwing the ashes in hole. That is what they deserve. Their digital sculptor for the minis is just terrible.

Do you really have any ashes to speak of after you burn them? I mean, the few times I've ever dealt with subjecting plastic to large amounts of heat such as that of an open flame, all I've really only ever got was a melty soup of burning hot plastic that sticks to everything. I'm unsure of the actual level of heat you'd have to subject it to in order to get it to reduce such that it leaves ashes. I believe that, since the melting point is obviously lower than wood, you'd have to have some marginally small flame, but I'm no chemist/physicist. Really, it would probably take a very deliberate amount to get it to ash, such that I have a hard time believing that it would be done in any sort of practical fit of nerd rage/poetic disposal-in-protest of wargaming objects. What would be much cooler would be to melt it, in spite of the braincell killing fumes and sticky mess, and pour it into a cast of your own device which is much cooler than the sculpts in question, and then show off how you, like the phoenix, wrought divine creation from where there was naught previously.

Or you could complain and use hyperbole. Your choice.

WGF models are so terrible they leave ashes when they burn.

plastictrees wrote:WGF models are so terrible they leave ashes when they burn.

Or maybe those trees you're so fond of aren't actually plastic...

plastictrees wrote:
WGF models are so terrible they leave ashes when they burn.

Yeah I threw sticks and paper to make sure they burn.

For what it's worth I feel that they make an affordably priced and quality product. I also certainly don't understand the level of hate they seem to have engendered from some of the posters here.

Also, to remain on topic, I certainly hope that they produce some more 'Shock Troop' models. I'd especially be interested in some sort of APC or AFV.

Thanks for the direct link to go vote btw.

I hope that whatever the do as next cavalry has better horses sculpt the ones they currently sell are under-detailed.

They should look at their vikings and compare them to their other ranges, especially the shock troops, those vikings are the best they have to offer and should be their quality standard.

Gotta say their zombies were underwhelming but the Shock Troops are as good as any of GW's IG kits and as far as bonuses and flexibility they're better.

WGF really is getting better and their willingness to take input is definitely praiseworthy.

Eh, I wouldn't go that far either. The Shock Trooper kit was acceptable for a company's first attempt at a Sci-Fi kit, but if you just work with it straight out of the box, it's a bit underwhelming. Not all of the pieces line up quite right, and they crammed the sprue with questionable extras (heads that are out of scale, cosmetic bits that are too fiddly). I really enjoyed converting an army out of Shock Troopers with Cadian bits, but there were times when the shortcomings of the Shock Trooper kit were a bit frustrating. Horrible? Not even close, but they're not on the same level of quality that Games Workshop's Imperial Guard kits are.

AHEM! On topic, from the description that accompanied the voting article, I have to think that what they're talking about are Shock Troop Rough Riders (since the impetuous for the vote comes from WGF finishing a new horse kit that they're pretty happy about).

The Shock Troops do look better. But I still wouldn't get them. But what is the point of this thread?? No new news of miniature or rumors. Just a poll to make a vote. So?? What are we suppose to say about this thread?? Talk about the vote??? Who wants to talk about a poll or vote?? What is the point of this thread??

The point of this thread is to give people the news that Wargames Factory has started a poll for what type of cavalry to make next. They are considering several types, including possible SF Greatcoat Cavalry. You would know this if you had read the first post.

This news is of potential interest to wargamers, especially those interested in SF, so it has been put in the News forum of a wargame site aimed primarily at SF gamers.

SkaerKrow wrote:Eh, I wouldn't go that far either. The Shock Trooper kit was acceptable for a company's first attempt at a Sci-Fi kit, but if you just work with it straight out of the box, it's a bit underwhelming. Not all of the pieces line up quite right, and they crammed the sprue with questionable extras (heads that are out of scale, cosmetic bits that are too fiddly). I really enjoyed converting an army out of Shock Troopers with Cadian bits, but there were times when the shortcomings of the Shock Trooper kit were a bit frustrating. Horrible? Not even close, but they're not on the same level of quality that Games Workshop's Imperial Guard kits are.

AHEM! On topic, from the description that accompanied the voting article, I have to think that what they're talking about are Shock Troop Rough Riders (since the impetuous for the vote comes from WGF finishing a new horse kit that they're pretty happy about).

I'm doing the same and have some of the same complaints. But what I love about them, and what I think makes them better than the Cats or the Cads, is flexibility. There are 3 or more different heads you can go with, 2 different basic weapons and extras.

Putting aside the question of whether or not we want an army of Rambos, many of the legs and arms in the Catachan kit just look terrible when assembled, the running legs in particular are dire. And while there are extra heads they are all in the same style. By just adding some pot helmets or forrage caps GW could have kept the Vietnam look but offered some variation in how they look. And of course for a long time there were no plastic heavy or special weapons. Those took 5-10 years to add.

The Cadians are slightly better but again, no flexibility. No alternate helmets, no chaos bits and not enough special weapons. This is especially annoying since they were launched around the time of the 13th Black Crusade when GW finally put out a chaos cult list. including a sprue with alternate chaos bitz would have been a natural to make the Cadians more flexible. These days it seems most of the IG armies I see in the gallery are using West Wind or Pig Iron heads just to look different from the normal Cad heads.

The shock troops were clearly designed for modelers who want to make their own army, not just reproduce what the company put out.