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Somehow I missed the Ogre previews... WOW... I love those. Ogres are the one current army the wife and I don't own any of, but those images make me want to rectify that immediately.

 RiTides wrote:


Finally, it seems unit attack values are not necessarily tied to universal weapon rules right, but just defined in each unit entry?

Units with great weapons generally have crushing strength x (+ x to dice roll to wound), Spears have special rules against cavalry, sword and board generally have more defence and dual wield have more attacks.

overtyrant wrote:
I think the plan is to have all core infantry in HIPS and monstrous sized infantry in restic (the material seems to be ok at this size). I may be wrong in this so dont quote me lol!

yep Ronnie said it at the open day, plus characters and small elite units in metal.

I believe the vampire cavalry and treemen and ogres are all metal like the large abyssals.

This picture from yesterdays Clash Of Kings regionals prove that the Ogre Braves are metal:



I like that unit a lot.

What are those beetles things!??????

I'm looking forward to KOW and also AOS. I like that I'll be able to play both with pretty much the same models, but I think KOW (and old WFB) is more what I'm looking for in a fantasy army game. I spent tons of time magnetizing my bases and making cool metal movement trays and all.

I don't really know if I'll be buying anything new but I do have a $200 dungeon saga pledge coming to me, so I'll have lots of new minis from that.

 NAVARRO wrote:
What are those beetles things!??????

Their Darklords insect army converted out of the mars attacks giant bugs and the dreadball z'zor figures. He uses them as counts as elves in games.

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
This picture from yesterdays Clash Of Kings regionals prove that the Ogre Braves are metal:



I like that unit a lot.

I need those... like... immediately. They're gorgeous.

Was that a Mantic in-house player? How would they have snagged a box early?

That was Tims army; the event organiser and Mantic rep.

Well... I hadn't added any Ogres to my giant crate of KoW from the KS, but I am now regretting it.

Oh... wait... no i'm not... because I have the patience of a gold-fish, and this thread made me go order an Ogre starter-army, in anticipation. ;-)

Is this a good time to post then

to help commemorate the 4th of July we've made it extra easy to get hold of your miniatures and games with a special discount code for this weekend only. Use AMERICA15 in the checkout before midnight BST Sunday 5th July for 15% off on the Mantic Webstore (excluding Army Painter).

This probably won't be the last special offer they have over the next few weeks. The online store is really struggling today.

 NTRabbit wrote:

overtyrant wrote:
Is there any pictures of all the latest KoW stuff from the Las KS at all? Thanks!

Spoiler:

Forest Shamblers

Necromancer build A

Necromancer build B

Lower Abyssals

Succubi

Flame Bearers

Molochs

New Ogre standard bearer and drummer

Ogre berserker braves

That's pretty much all so far, I believe

Those look pretty sweet. Not much of a fan of those red deamon things but the undead are nice as usual. Hopefully Mantic keep up this increase in quality.

I might offer to sculpt some better tree men/ ents for free.

I could do a lot better, thats saying something. =(

Triszin wrote:
I might offer to sculpt some better tree men/ ents for free.

I could do a lot better, thats saying something. =(

I think they look nice, especially compared to GW's effort...

 DaveC wrote:
Is this a good time to post then

to help commemorate the 4th of July we've made it extra easy to get hold of your miniatures and games with a special discount code for this weekend only. Use AMERICA15 in the checkout before midnight BST Sunday 5th July for 15% off on the Mantic Webstore (excluding Army Painter).

This probably won't be the last special offer they have over the next few weeks. The online store is really struggling today.

Cheers thats my copy ordered, after watching some batreps of AOS today, KOS is going to be far superior.

Hey GiraffeX... it isn't going to be, it IS. Remember, if you want to play the game today, you can. The last round of beta-rules are VERY close to the locked down version you'll be getting next week.

And after a LOT of games over the last few months, I can say that it is, without a doubt my favorite miniatures game ever... and that's coming from someone who has designed two. :-p

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Hey GiraffeX... it isn't going to be, it IS. Remember, if you want to play the game today, you can. The last round of beta-rules are VERY close to the locked down version you'll be getting next week.

And after a LOT of games over the last few months, I can say that it is, without a doubt my favorite miniatures game ever... and that's coming from someone who has designed two. :-p

Thats ok I need to paint some starting forces first so I have something to play with when the rulebook arrives.

Really looking forward to it, just deciding whether to go round bases because they look nice or thematic movement tray sized bases for entire units.

Do they put the rules for all of the armies in the main book? or will we have to wait for separate army books and/or PDFs?

The only existing army not which will not be in the main book (as far as I know) will be the Twilight Kin. Apparently balancing them was pretty difficult, but I've read they'll feature in the first expansion.

 .Mikes. wrote:
The only existing army not which will not be in the main book (as far as I know) will be the Twilight Kin. Apparently balancing them was pretty difficult, but I've read they'll feature in the first expansion.

I believe the issue was making them something that simply wasn't Elves painted dark.

Maybe a rules committee member could set us straight, but either way, they won't be in but an interim list will be up on the forums apparently.

Triszin wrote:I might offer to sculpt some better tree men/ ents for free.

I could do a lot better, thats saying something. =(

Alex C wrote:

Triszin wrote:
I might offer to sculpt some better tree men/ ents for free.

I could do a lot better, thats saying something. =(

I think they look nice, especially compared to GW's effort...

I think the mantic tree things look ok, but the real issue is that Wyrd has IMO killed it with their waldgeist sculpts, which are cheap to buy, great looking 40mm tree things:

Thing with trees is you can use them all in the same squad, because trees don't really look alike.

The Wyrd trees are fantastic, but aren't "monstrous infantry" sized (I have quite a few of them and love them, but they're somewhat dainty). There are a lot of tree options out there, though, and I only really like 1 of the 3 in the Mantic unit so would likely go with an alternative.

Too big?

 Necros wrote:
Do they put the rules for all of the armies in the main book? or will we have to wait for separate army books and/or PDFs?

Abyssals, Abyssal Dwarfs, Basileans, Dwarfs, Elves, Force of Nature, Goblins, Kingdoms of Men, Ogres, Orks, and Undead are all in the main rule book.

Ratkin, League of Rhordia, The Herd, Shattered Clans, Empires of Dust, Reptilians, Name TBD, Secret #1 and Secret #2 are coming in a supplement a few months later. These are loosely the "not-GW" armies.

Twilight Kin are going on the website as a free lone pdf while Mantic figure out where they're going to take the fluff and the minis range, and then I imagine they'll be in an expansion supplement down the track, probably along with the neutral human necromancer and good norse humans + elves + frost trolls + frost giants alliance armies Mantic have spoken about wanting to make next.

That's my understanding of it anyway.

^Also, free .PDFs will be released for everything, including all the new lists, with points values.. and no rules requiring you to grow a beard while dancing on an imaginary unicorn and bellowing waaagh at the top of your voice.

 RiTides wrote:

I think the only official Mantic models I'm using so far are the abyssal golems. Does anyone know what the "Abyssal Grotesques" listed under the abyssal dwarf army list are supposed to be / look like / represent? I saw a post on the Mantic forums mentioning a dragon ogre look, but wouldn't that overlap pretty closely with the halfbreeds (bull centaurs)?

I'm also a newbie to the rules but their two different mortars look very similar rules-wise?

Abyssal grotesques are basically the insane hybrid creature/demon/flesh creations of the abyssal dwarves, the models used could be pretty much anything gribbly and monstrous, from chaos spawn to rat ogres or dragon ogres. It is a unit entry deliberately left open for the player to choose models or convert models for.

The mortars are similar, but have two distinct battlefield roles, also they've been toned down as part of the v2 rebalancing as the katsuchan used to be one of the most brutal war machines in the game.

 .Mikes. wrote:
Maybe a rules committee member could set us straight, but either way, they won't be in but an interim list will be up on the forums apparently.

^^ NTRabbit pretty much nailed it. Mantic want to redo TK from scratch so we can't create that list until we know the fluff & design direction. In the meantime, we've brought the V1 list up to V2 standards and it'll be put up for download along with all the other army lists as a fully legal list. The third planned expansion will be covering them, along with Ophidians and the norse themed list.

I am glad Mantic is going to have a closer look at Twilight Kin, but I am kind of bummed that the Death Stalker Simulacre has been dropped from the list. Is it coming back at all?

I'll be interested to see their take on a Chaos Warriors list though, as that's one group I wouldn't mind re-imagining for KoW.

 Fenriswulf wrote:
I'll be interested to see their take on a Chaos Warriors list though, as that's one group I wouldn't mind re-imagining for KoW.

Is that the "shattered clans" list that's been mentioned?

Going with Clans, rather than marks, would allow them to create four distinct themes. Blood Clan, Plague Clan, Trickster Clan, and Pleasure Clan.