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I was looking at the chapter organisation page in the SM rulebook, but I noticed- There isn't rules for a chief libby apart from tigirius (who fails- no invul.)

So I got thinking, and this is what I came up with...

Space marine chief librarian- 180pts

Wargear:
Force weapon
Bolt pistol
Iron halo
Psychic hood

Special rules:
Psyker
The chief librarian knows all of the below psychic powers, and can use up to 2 per turn
(unless he has been upgraded to a master psyker, in which case he can use three)

Psychic powers:
Null zone
Might of the ancients
Vortex of doom
The avenger
Gate of infinity (No risk with attached squad)
Fire of purgation- This is a psychic shooting attack with the following profile:

S-4 AP-5 Range- 12" assault D3, blast, ignores cover.

Warp summoning- This power is used during the controlling player’s movement phase. The librarian summons D6 spectres, with the following profile:

WS-5 BS-4 S-4 T-4 A-3 W-2 I-4 Ld-10 Sv 3+

Wargear:
Extra close combat weapon

Special rules:
Feel no pain
Fearless
When casting warp summoning, the chief librarian suffers a perils of the warp attack on the roll of a double. The spectres are removed from play at the end of the player phase.

Soul unleashed- This power is used at the beginning of the controlling player’s assault phase. The librarian (and any unit he is attached to) gain +1S or +1A for the remainder of the player turn.

Relic force weapon- This is a two-handed force weapon which gives the user +2S and when using it as a force weapon, it does not count as using a psychic power.

Relic staff- This is a two-handed force weapon which doubles the range of all psychic shooting powers and when using it as a force weapon, it does not count as using a psychic power.

Options:
Storm bolter +3pts
Storm shield +15pts
Relic force weapon +40pts
Relic staff +30pts
Bike +35pts
Jump pack +25pts
Combi-weapon +10pts
terminator armour +30pts
with storm bolter +35pts
with storm shield +40pts
with combi-weapon +40pts
artificier armour +15pts
master psyker +50pts

Any opinions/suggestions?
my guy will have:
Bike
relic force weapon
storm shield
artificier armour

Doesnt this pretty much trash the epistolary upgrade? 3 powers and 2 a turn? Iron halo? 3 Wounds? Way too undercosted already

Well regular Libbies can also take a SS which makes your "no invun" argument invalid. I think the Relic Staff is a bit OP.

Valkyrie wrote:Well regular Libbies can also take a SS which makes your "no invun" argument invalid. I think the Relic Staff is a bit OP.

He mentioned no invulnerable saves about Tigrus who doesn't have an invulnerable save not normal Librarians.

Valkyrie wrote:Well regular Libbies can also take a SS which makes your "no invun" argument invalid. I think the Relic Staff is a bit OP.

It's like swapping a power weapon to a relic blade- same but with +2S, for 15 pts. Swapping a force weapon with the same but +2 S is quite similar.
Anyway- Libbies can only have SS if they have termies armour.


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kenshin620 wrote:Doesnt this pretty much trash the epistolary upgrade? 3 powers and 2 a turn? Iron halo? 3 Wounds? Way too undercosted already

Well tigirius is the same, but can automatically use 3 per turn and he knows all the powers for 230, so 80 points less for less powers usage and less available powers. The only difference is this libby has an invulnerable save and can have wargear options. Seems fair to me.

I gotta say, I love this, I really love this.

I'd have to argue that the Relic Staff is underpriced, and would be cooler as a Relic Force Sword, but I'd definitely use this in games

Wait, here's a suggestion.

How about you can choose between a Relic Staff which doubles the range of abilitys, and a Relic Force Sword, which is a S6 Two-Handed Force Weapon.

grayspark wrote:I gotta say, I love this, I really love this.

I'd have to argue that the Relic Staff is underpriced.

25pts?

Wait, here's a suggestion.

grayspark wrote:How about you can choose between a Relic Staff which doubles the range of abilitys, and a Relic Force Sword, which is a S6 Two-Handed Force Weapon.

Good idea! EDITED!


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BTW I am going to my FLGS next week and while I am there I will get my store manager* to stamp it, so make the tweaks quick.
I am going tomorrow, but the manager's on holiday, so I can't get it stamped.

Perhaps there should be more powers for him, since he is a Master afterall.

Throwing balls of energy? Summoning Spectral Spirits?

An Empowering spell for his unit that actually helps?

EDITED.

grayspark wrote:Perhaps there should be more powers for him, since he is a Master afterall.

Throwing balls of energy? Summoning Spectral Spirits?

An Empowering spell for his unit that actually helps?

/clap

lol

Cool

Asherian Command wrote:Cool

Any tweaks you wish to make ash? Or am I just perfect [/sarcastic vanity]

shrike wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:Cool

Any tweaks you wish to make ash? Or am I just perfect [/sarcastic vanity]

Well I would like to add pyschic powers but I don't think anyone would allow me to write up my own pyschic powers as my chapter differs from the codex standards.
Plus you saved me some time in writing Chief Librarian stats.

shrike wrote:

kenshin620 wrote:Doesnt this pretty much trash the epistolary upgrade? 3 powers and 2 a turn? Iron halo? 3 Wounds? Way too undercosted already

Well tigirius is the same, but can automatically use 3 per turn and he knows all the powers for 230, so 80 points less for less powers usage and less available powers. The only difference is this libby has an invulnerable save and can have wargear options. Seems fair to me.

Doesnt seem fair when making up units to completely replace others. Although I do have to admit the Epistolary upgrade seems very overpriced for what it does

Asherian Command wrote:

shrike wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:Cool

Any tweaks you wish to make ash? Or am I just perfect [/sarcastic vanity]

Well I would like to add pyschic powers but I don't think anyone would allow me to write up my own pyschic powers as my chapter differs from the codex standards.
Plus you saved me some time in writing Chief Librarian stats.

Happy to help

okay i gotta go- laptop curfew

Hmmm, I really like the idea of the Spectres, summoning the spirits of your ancestors to get enemies stuck in combat?

Soul Enhancer is a nice ability, but could probably use a better name.

Valorous Might?
Strength of the Ancients?
Ferocity Unleashed?

Perhaps one for giving your units +1 Toughness, but we may be getting on the overpowered side, and would just be copying the Eldar.

The fact that the Chief Librarian can cast multiple powers in a turn afterall means you could have a S5 T5 PowerWeapon command squad afterall...

grayspark wrote:Hmmm, I really like the idea of the Spectres, summoning the spirits of your ancestors to get enemies stuck in combat?

Stat change!

Soul Enhancer is a nice ability, but could probably use a better name.

Valorous Might?
Strength of the Ancients?
Ferocity Unleashed?

Perhaps one for giving your units +1 Toughness, but we may be getting on the overpowered side, and would just be copying the Eldar.

grayspark wrote:The fact that the Chief Librarian can cast multiple powers in a turn afterall means you could have a S5 T5 PowerWeapon command squad afterall...

Oh, man! If you could get +1S and T, you could be toughness 6 (bike), 2+ armour (artificier), 3+ inv. (SS) S6 (with chaplain), throwing fireballs and summoning spectres. Ouch.

Valorous might? Nice idea, but already have might of the ancients.
Strength of the anients? already have Might of the ancients.
Ferocity unleashed? I'll go with soul unleashed how about that? And the option of +1A instead? EDITED!

Generally good idea. I think he should be able to use powers in the same way as Tigurius though, nor do I like him being on a bike or having a jump pack as he would be so concentrated on not crashing that he wouldn't be able to use psychic powers properly or vice versa.

TRISKELION7 wrote:Generally good idea. I think he should be able to use powers in the same way as Tigurius though, nor do I like him being on a bike or having a jump pack as he would be so concentrated on not crashing that he wouldn't be able to use psychic powers properly or vice versa.

If regular libbys can have bikes, why can't he?

What way does tiggy use his that this guy doesn't?

BTW is the points cost okay? Or is it undercosted?


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Keep those suggestions coming!


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I went to my FLGS today, and the guy who's covering for the manager said it's a good idea and that he can't see any reason why it should'nt be stamped.

I think his points value is fine...

He's a Librarian afterall, and all he'll really be accomplishing is shooting psychic powers.

As you stated in the Librarian discussion thread, one power-fist to the face and he's dead.

This Librarian is just merely one that can actually support the army effectively.

Though if there were things that should have their points changed, it would have to be the equipment

Think about how strong the Relic Force Weapon is afterall, sure it means he can actually take on monstrous creatures and do his job, but that should make it more expensive, I'd rate it about 30 - 35 points. The relic staff as well, I'd say it's 15 points rather than 10.

What about for the Magis We should put in like subsectors of Libarains like the Magis of the Crusaders.
ETC.
we should add more rules to this like different types of chapters use different abilities.

Like this guy who happens to be a magi O.o and Magis= Chief Librarian and our head guy the Magistrate is more powerful.
Could you write a few stats for them or no?

I could, but I haven't the foggiest idea as to what a magis is.
BTW in that thread -"relic blade AND storm shield" I've creaed another one to talk abouut my apoc army of ICs. The biker Captain is built.

shrike wrote:I could, but I haven't the foggiest idea as to what a magis is.
BTW in that thread -"relic blade AND storm shield" I've creaed another one to talk abouut my apoc army of ICs. The biker Captain is built.

Well check out my threads and you shall see. But anyway. This seems good but I wish there were more Pyschic powers to use -.-

Asherian Command wrote:

shrike wrote:I could, but I haven't the foggiest idea as to what a magis is.
BTW in that thread -"relic blade AND storm shield" I've creaed another one to talk abouut my apoc army of ICs. The biker Captain is built.

This seems good but I wish there were more Pyschic powers to use -.-

Can't have too many for fear of being OP.
I am creating a "IC rule" thread, where I create units for other dakkaites. Good idea?
Currently working on master of sanctity rules. I'll post ASAP.

Asherian Command wrote:Well check out my threads and you shall see.

Links?

hmm- I what powers should I give my chief libby? He has a relic force weapon, a SS, a bike, artificier armour, and i wanna have null zone. 2 more powers left.

the powers i am considering are:
might of the ancients (+2S)
fire of purgation (a load of blasts)
warp summoning (a load of meatshields)
soul unleashed (+1S or T to him and his unit)

okay- bear in mind that in apoc games I will have a second libby, with jump pack, gate of infinity, plasma pistol, null zone. (really just for support)

Wow. just thought this up:
Might of the ancients
soul unleashed
quickening
with my biker chaplain in the squad.
thats:
S4 standard
S5 with chaplain in the squad
S7 with relic force weapon
S8 with soul unleashed
S10 with might of the ancients.
striking at I10 with a 2+ armour, 3+ inv., T5, TL boltguns, 12" movement.

IMO the "look-at-me-I'll-never-ever-take-a-PotW" is a bit over the top. That'd move this psyker close to the odds of Eldred, and Eldred obviously is more powerful than any now living loyalist psyker. Just get rid of the 5+ pseudo-save against PotW, you've already got an invulnerable save.

5+? where does it say that?
anyway, the regular libby doesn't have an invul.
and what does PotW mean?

Relic staff. Wether the normal libby has an invulnerable save or not doesn't matter, as this does. Furthermore, almost everyone takes SS anyway. And thirdly, PotW would in this case be "Perils of the Warp"

5+ save is gone.
If he's like eldrad, to get the staff and everything would cost 220 points. eldrad's 210. so this seems fair.