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2014/12/02 11:53:41
Subject: Star Wars: The Force Awakens International Teaser Trailer
Paradigm wrote: Know what? I'd trade in half a dozen of these new post-ROTJ movies for just one set in the Old Republic. I want to see armies of Jedi (and later Sith), I want space battles that make Endor look like a playground scrap, I want to see everything that makes the setting of the earlier films fall into place.
Isn't that precisely what made the prequels such terrible drek? I mean, the execution didn't help, but SW never felt like it needs, or in fact has any place, for the extravaganza Lucas inserted into the prequels.
No what killed the prequels was Lucas thinking itd be entertaining to take a CNN senate live broadcast and add the odd light saber into it. Because how do you make massive space battles and explosions and death on a massive scale boring? By making most of it about the politicians, that's how
2014/12/03 03:35:12
Subject: Star Wars: The Force Awakens International Teaser Trailer
"Through the darkness of future past, the magician longs to see.
One chants out between two worlds: Fire, walk with me." - Twin Peaks
"You listen to me. While I will admit to a certain cynicism, the fact is that I am a naysayer and hatchetman in the fight against violence. I pride myself in taking a punch and I'll gladly take another because I choose to live my life in the company of Gandhi and King. My concerns are global. I reject absolutely revenge, aggression, and retaliation. The foundation of such a method... is love. I love you Sheriff Truman." - Twin Peaks
2014/12/04 02:41:10
Subject: Star Wars: The Force Awakens International Teaser Trailer
I can not stop watching this incredible piece of art. Loved every second they showed up. Feels so Star Warsy. I see the falcon still hasn't had its radar repaired which it lost in the Death Star attack, unless that squareish rader is replacing it.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also I think that dude at the start isn't wearing storm trooper armour, just similar looking armour.
so pumped for the movie
Automatically Appended Next Post: See? looks different
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2014/12/04 03:40:25
Subject: Star Wars: The Force Awakens International Teaser Trailer
Very interesting theory, Rippy. I must admit, you had me going back and pausing to see if I could find a shot of the Stormtroopers' armor and the pieces on our intrepid desert fugitive- but I couldn't. The chest shots of the Stormies in the transport don't go low enough, and when they exit we only see the back of their knees. The pauldrons are visible in both, but we don't see the bottom of the transport troopers' pauldrons- which makes it all but impossible to tell if they are indeed identical.
Keep in mind the wide variety of Stormtrooper armor present in the initial trilogy, and this may indeed be the Sandtrooper variant, or we may just be lacking a picture of the same parts of the armor.
I could find no definitive points of comparison- which areas did you see that were clearly different?
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2014/12/04 03:50:03
Subject: Star Wars: The Force Awakens International Teaser Trailer
Rippy wrote: I see the falcon still hasn't had its radar repaired which it lost in the Death Star attack, unless that squareish rader is replacing it.
You realized you just refuted your own claim, right?. The Falcon now has a square sensor dish, as can be seen in the teaser.
Also I think that dude at the start isn't wearing storm trooper armour, just similar looking armour.
He's wearing stormtrooper armor. The only thing that is unknown is whether he is actually a stormtrooper or impersonating one.
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2014/12/04 03:51:42
Subject: Star Wars: The Force Awakens International Teaser Trailer
The back comes higher, there is no square thing, the pauldrons sit out more, the black part is more shown on top one under the arms.
you are right, it might be a different variant of armour, but just looks different.
The back comes higher, there is no square thing, the pauldrons sit out more, the black part is more shown on top one under the arms.
you are right, it might be a different variant of armour, but just looks different.
Stormtrooper armor has changed in the last 30 years. This was revealed some time ago and then confirmed with the appearance of stormtroopers in the teaser.
What stormtroopers look like in The Force Awakens:
What they looked like in Star Wars:
If you still aren't convinced, pause the GIF during the shot of the back of the their legs as the ramp drops and you can see that they are wearing the same black, ribbed material that John Boyega's character has on under his white armor.
Have they come out and actually said he is a storm trooper? Or is that fan speculation made true?
I'm guessing you didn't read what I wrote... whether or not he is an actual stormtroopers or a someone other than a stormtrooper wearing stormtrooper armor has not been revealed.
The costume however, is that of a stormtrooper.
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2014/12/04 04:24:22
Subject: Star Wars: The Force Awakens International Teaser Trailer
The back comes higher, there is no square thing, the pauldrons sit out more, the black part is more shown on top one under the arms.
you are right, it might be a different variant of armour, but just looks different.
Stormtrooper armor has changed in the last 30 years. This was revealed some time ago and then confirmed with the appearance of stormtroopers in the teaser.
What stormtroopers look like in The Force Awakens:
What they looked like in Star Wars:
If you still aren't convinced, pause the GIF during the shot of the back of the their legs as the ramp drops and you can see that they are wearing the same black, ribbed material that John Boyega's character has on under his white armor.
Have they come out and actually said he is a storm trooper? Or is that fan speculation made true?
I'm guessing you didn't read what I wrote... whether or not he is an actual stormtroopers or a someone other than a stormtrooper wearing stormtrooper armor has not been revealed.
The costume however, is that of a stormtrooper.
my humblest of apologies for not being so specific, I meant have they come out and said he is wearing Storm Trooper armour, or is that fan made speculation. You seem to be quite hostile on something as trivial as mild speculation. I see that the armour does look a little different now, though I think that quick flashing part we see (yes even when paused) doesn't prove this. The new shoulder pads do look the same.
While he probably is in Storm Trooper armour, it doesn't hurt to speculate, does it?
2014/12/04 04:37:17
Subject: Star Wars: The Force Awakens International Teaser Trailer
Rippy wrote: my humblest of apologies for not being so specific, I meant have they come out and said he is wearing Storm Trooper armour, or is that fan made speculation. You seem to be quite hostile on something as trivial as mild speculation. I see that the armour does look a little different now, though I think that quick flashing part we see (yes even when paused) doesn't prove this. The new shoulder pads do look the same. While he probably is in Storm Trooper armour, it doesn't hurt to speculate, does it?
I'm not being hostile, you're trying to figure out something that isn't there. There is nothing to speculate here: John Boyega is wearing stormtrooper armor, the guys in the dropship are stormtroopers, and stormtrooper armor in The Force Awakens is not the same as stormtrooper armor in the Original Trilogy. You keep bringing up how the new costume is different from the one we last saw 30 years ago as "proof" for your incorrect theory that John Boyega isn't wearing stormtrooper armor despite the fact that it has been explained that the costumes aren't the same. This is just like the guy a few pages ago that swore the X-wings we've been shown weren't X-wings even though they are. The costumes have changed: the stormtroopers don't look exactly the same, the Rebel pilots don't look exactly the same, the X-wings don't look exactly the same, and the Millennium Falcon doesn't look exactly the same.
Also, in response to idiots complaining about a black guy wearing stormtrooper armor, John Boyega took to his Instagram account and said, "To whom it may concern... Get used to it."
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d-usa wrote: "When the Internet sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending posters that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing strawmen. They're bringing spam. They're trolls. And some, I assume, are good people."
2014/12/04 05:00:11
Subject: Star Wars: The Force Awakens International Teaser Trailer
ScootyPuffJunior wrote: The costumes have changed: the stormtroopers don't look exactly the same, the Rebel pilots don't look exactly the same, the X-wings don't look exactly the same, and the Millennium Falcon doesn't look exactly the same.
I've also heard rumors that Luke, Lei, and Han look older, as if time had past since Return of the Jedi.
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2014/12/04 05:17:38
Subject: Star Wars: The Force Awakens International Teaser Trailer
Rippy wrote: my humblest of apologies for not being so specific, I meant have they come out and said he is wearing Storm Trooper armour, or is that fan made speculation. You seem to be quite hostile on something as trivial as mild speculation. I see that the armour does look a little different now, though I think that quick flashing part we see (yes even when paused) doesn't prove this. The new shoulder pads do look the same.
While he probably is in Storm Trooper armour, it doesn't hurt to speculate, does it?
I'm not being hostile, you're trying to figure out something that isn't there. There is nothing to speculate here: John Boyega is wearing stormtrooper armor, the guys in the dropship are stormtroopers, and stormtrooper armor in The Force Awakens is not the same as stormtrooper armor in the Original Trilogy. You keep bringing up how the new costume is different from the one we last saw 30 years ago as "proof" for your incorrect theory that John Boyega isn't wearing stormtrooper armor despite the fact that it has been explained that the costumes aren't the same. This is just like the guy a few pages ago that swore the X-wings we've been shown weren't X-wings even though they are. The costumes have changed: the stormtroopers don't look exactly the same, the Rebel pilots don't look exactly the same, the X-wings don't look exactly the same, and the Millennium Falcon doesn't look exactly the same.
Also, in response to idiots complaining about a black guy wearing stormtrooper armor, John Boyega took to his Instagram account and said, "To whom it may concern... Get used to it."
As I understand it, the backlash over a black stormtrooper stemmed from.the misapprehension that the stormtroopers are still clones of Jango Fett, and that Boyega is the therefore the wrong race. Which would be true, if they were actually were still clones. So not everyone complaining is racist, they're just mistaken.
Besides, is it really such a stretch to believe that the Empire is institutionally racist?
ScootyPuffJunior wrote: The costumes have changed: the stormtroopers don't look exactly the same, the Rebel pilots don't look exactly the same, the X-wings don't look exactly the same, and the Millennium Falcon doesn't look exactly the same.
I've also heard rumors that Luke, Lei, and Han look older, as if time had past since Return of the Jedi.
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2014/12/04 05:22:13
Subject: Re:Star Wars: The Force Awakens International Teaser Trailer
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Well there was a leak on 4chan. May be real, maybe not. But its an awesome direction to go if true.
Spoiler for juicy juicy details,
Spoiler:
30-40 years have passed, and the war is still ongoing. The New Republic(led by Leia) is currently deadlocked with the Empire. The war is likened to WW1 in its stagnation. Luke went into seclusion after the battle of Endor. He has supposedly trained a very few Jedi over the years, but they're still keeping a very low profile.
Forget 99.999999999999999% of the EU.
Very very dark setting.
Allegedly, John Boyega's character, name of Boyega, is indeed a Storm Trooper. He is a force sensitive who is eventually forced to desert because of it. He crashes on a "Desert planet", and meets up with the chick on the Fridge speeder, whose name is Kira, and her mentor(who collects Jedi/Sith artifacts) is the guy we see in the artwork holding Vader's mask.
They all eventually get passage off the planet with Han and Chewie(who now has a robotic arm)
She turns out to be Han and Leia's daughter. She is currently keeping her identity as a Solo a secret. She is force sensitive, but was never trained by Luke and she is a little peeved about it.
The Republic is apparently building some sort of Super Weapon on a "Scandinavian Forest world". This is where we have the shot of our intrepid Broadsabre wielding Sith who is an ambitious, force-sensitive pilot who falls to the dark side. He is partially a Cyborg and played by Adam Driver. The Lightsabre is cobbled together and referred to as a "Junk" lightsabre. The crossguard was entirely the idea of the art department.
Andy Cerkis is playing an Alien Sith Lord who operates outside of the Rule of Two and has his own agenda. He apparently was manipulating Palpatine over the years. He is NOT Darth Pelagius.
The Sith are not aligned with the Empire. The only force users the Empire has are Inquisitors(some of which are not force sensitive, but all use Lightsabres)
Lando is apparently a big celebrity hero.
The Ball Droid belongs to Kira.
We eventually meet Luke(who does survive the movie) and he eventually takes on Kira and Boyega's character as apprentices.
We will see several lightsabre fights that are "minimalistic and powerful". Luke apparently does indeed fight in this movie.
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Its definitely not Kashykk
The script was also described as "too good for Abrams"
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Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
I'm not saying everyone complaining that John Boyega playing a stormtrooper is racist, but the people who are (which are out there), they are indeed idiots.
Of all the rumors I've heard, this one is by far the least believable.
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2014/12/04 05:39:40
Subject: Star Wars: The Force Awakens International Teaser Trailer
A couple of those things I predicted/speculated earlier in the thread.
Spoiler:
Ball droid belongs to the girl. I bet she built,it from scavenged parts like her grandfather anakin Skywalker.
An independent Sith Lord who's been around as long as Palpatine, lurking in the background, manipulating events.
Solo daughter becomes Luke's padawan. I bet, if she has a brother, he becomes a Sith apprentice. Luke and the Sith Lord are playing a game of chess, using the apprentices like pawns.
If the Empire really are no longer affiliated with the Sith, that'll make an interesting 3 faction dynamic. Or maybe even 4 factions if the Jedi, like the Sith, are keeping a low profile and not overtly interacting and cooperating with the Republic.
Empire vs New Republic vs Sith vs Jedi. Every faction is pursuing its own agenda.
I love the dark setting. If there's just one thing I loved about the prequel trilogy, particularly III, it was the much darker tone.
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2014/12/04 07:25:13
Subject: Star Wars: The Force Awakens International Teaser Trailer
It seems pretty clear the guy is wearing stormtrooper armour as it's been redesigned a lot. I doubt the film makers are going to be drawn into making many specific statements this early, that's the point of a teaser.
The arguments about him being black are rather silly. Firstly we don't know the circumstances in which he may be wearing the armour. Secondly, the first clone army was made at least 50 years prior to the new films and in Attack of the Clones the cloners say it's all been paid for, which might imply that they are not a continuous production. Anyway, it's more than conceivable that it's open to non-clones as even Luke and Biggs were expecting to join the imperial academy as pilots in New Hope.
2014/12/04 12:11:32
Subject: Re:Star Wars: The Force Awakens International Teaser Trailer
Sounds good if true. And the people who are complaining about the black stormtooper are nuts. It's not like there haven't been black stormtoopers before.
Spoiler:
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Grey Templar wrote: Well there was a leak on 4chan. May be real, maybe not. But its an awesome direction to go if true.
Spoiler for juicy juicy details,
Spoiler:
30-40 years have passed, and the war is still ongoing. The New Republic(led by Leia) is currently deadlocked with the Empire. The war is likened to WW1 in its stagnation. Luke went into seclusion after the battle of Endor. He has supposedly trained a very few Jedi over the years, but they're still keeping a very low profile.
Forget 99.999999999999999% of the EU.
Very very dark setting.
Allegedly, John Boyega's character, name of Boyega, is indeed a Storm Trooper. He is a force sensitive who is eventually forced to desert because of it. He crashes on a "Desert planet", and meets up with the chick on the Fridge speeder, whose name is Kira, and her mentor(who collects Jedi/Sith artifacts) is the guy we see in the artwork holding Vader's mask.
They all eventually get passage off the planet with Han and Chewie(who now has a robotic arm)
She turns out to be Han and Leia's daughter. She is currently keeping her identity as a Solo a secret. She is force sensitive, but was never trained by Luke and she is a little peeved about it.
The Republic is apparently building some sort of Super Weapon on a "Scandinavian Forest world". This is where we have the shot of our intrepid Broadsabre wielding Sith who is an ambitious, force-sensitive pilot who falls to the dark side. He is partially a Cyborg and played by Adam Driver. The Lightsabre is cobbled together and referred to as a "Junk" lightsabre. The crossguard was entirely the idea of the art department.
Andy Cerkis is playing an Alien Sith Lord who operates outside of the Rule of Two and has his own agenda. He apparently was manipulating Palpatine over the years. He is NOT Darth Pelagius.
The Sith are not aligned with the Empire. The only force users the Empire has are Inquisitors(some of which are not force sensitive, but all use Lightsabres)
Lando is apparently a big celebrity hero.
The Ball Droid belongs to Kira.
We eventually meet Luke(who does survive the movie) and he eventually takes on Kira and Boyega's character as apprentices.
We will see several lightsabre fights that are "minimalistic and powerful". Luke apparently does indeed fight in this movie.
Well that all sounds... awesome!
2014/12/04 12:37:33
Subject: Star Wars: The Force Awakens International Teaser Trailer
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motyak wrote: I would watch the hell out of that movie grey. And love it.
I would have its babies!
Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
The Sith are not aligned with the Empire. The only force users the Empire has are Inquisitors(some of which are not force sensitive, but all use Lightsabres)
That, I don't agree with, one bit... because, IIRC, previous canon has stated outright that someone who is not force sensitive cannot use a lightsaber.
The obvious "contradiction" is of course, when Han makes a Tauntaun hut with Luke's saber... To which I would say that it's possible that in order to be trainable in the force, both parents need to be force sensitive (I still don't buy that "midichlorians" malarky)
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I mean, don't get me wrong.... that whole thing in the spoilers does sound like an awesomely badass SW movie
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