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 ThirstySpaceMan wrote:
Any rumors of named captains returning? I miss the old tallaran guy's rules. I also miss the flavor of fluff theamed builds other than cadian.

Welcome to Dakka Sadly, GW's policy of getting rid of characters without models leaves us waiting for new characters to be created alongside new releases. Given that GW is not keen to charge anything less than $30+ for a plastic clampack now, it would be hard to imagine an IG character of sufficient might to warrant this treatment.

Well all of these formations are coming from the Tau campaign book correct? So we have yet to see any info about the actual codex.

I shall remain, cautiously optimistic.

 the_Armyman wrote:

 ThirstySpaceMan wrote:
Any rumors of named captains returning? I miss the old tallaran guy's rules. I also miss the flavor of fluff theamed builds other than cadian.

Welcome to Dakka Sadly, GW's policy of getting rid of characters without models leaves us waiting for new characters to be created alongside new releases. Given that GW is not keen to charge anything less than $30+ for a plastic clampack now, it would be hard to imagine an IG character of sufficient might to warrant this treatment.

Captain Al'Rahem and Chenkov did have models. Marbo too. Oddly enough I can't think of many characters that did not have a model.

I always assumed they would bring them back via data slates. For example Cypher does not have a current model and he got some fun rules and scenarios. Packaging Marbo with some mini games and scenarios would be pretty awesome.

Also, the IG commissar plastic clam pack is only 21 bucks.

eleven11 wrote:
I understand that you am players are angry that you aren't getting a formation that is super op like the decurion or the Gladius strike force,


but I'm surprised you guys aren't more pumped about a formation that encourages you to bring 170 infantry, lol.

I think it would be fun to field such a list personally. I think it can easily fit in 1k games too. Sounds like a good old time.

I think 1k of space marines would struggle to defeat this.

The Decurion is not OP. It is the new normal, and the IG should be at that same power level when using whatever formations they get. That would be balanced and fair.

170 Guardsmen will cost something like 900 points without any upgrades, leaving 100 points for weapon upgrades. It would be a huge punching bag.

If I were to field 170 Guardsmen, I would expect them to eat up 1500 pts with normal upgrades, +500 pts Transport = 2000 pts. That would be part of a 4k or 5k game, not a 1k game.

bogalubov wrote:

 the_Armyman wrote:

 ThirstySpaceMan wrote:
Any rumors of named captains returning? I miss the old tallaran guy's rules. I also miss the flavor of fluff theamed builds other than cadian.

Welcome to Dakka Sadly, GW's policy of getting rid of characters without models leaves us waiting for new characters to be created alongside new releases. Given that GW is not keen to charge anything less than $30+ for a plastic clampack now, it would be hard to imagine an IG character of sufficient might to warrant this treatment.

Captain Al'Rahem and Chenkov did have models. Marbo too. Oddly enough I can't think of many characters that did not have a model.

I always assumed they would bring them back via data slates. For example Cypher does not have a current model and he got some fun rules and scenarios. Packaging Marbo with some mini games and scenarios would be pretty awesome.

Marbo probably is never coming back.

The only Guard model that was dropped who did not have a model was Lukas Bastonne, who literally got introduced for one book and was gone the next. Shame too because I liked his fluff.

I think a better way to discuss this is that we won't see any new Guard character without a boxed set, because even Tank Commanders come with a "bodyguard" ruleswise.

Resin Glazed Guardsman wrote:Well all of these formations are coming from the Tau campaign book correct? So we have yet to see any info about the actual codex.

I shall remain, cautiously optimistic.

When do you tnink we'll see this codex? I think Q1 2016 isn't happening, and if it was, then shouldn't the codex be on the way to the publisher by now? If so, wouldn't it have made sense to have adjusted points costs on the SHTs in Mont'ka if in fact there was a points adjustment in the new codex? Which would seem to indicate to me either:

1) Earliest new IG codex Q2 2016, or (more depressingly)..
2) No significant changes to new IG codex bar some terribad formations if Mont'ka is an indication of their new (old?) IG design philosophy.

bogalubov wrote:

 the_Armyman wrote:

 ThirstySpaceMan wrote:
Any rumors of named captains returning? I miss the old tallaran guy's rules. I also miss the flavor of fluff theamed builds other than cadian.

Welcome to Dakka Sadly, GW's policy of getting rid of characters without models leaves us waiting for new characters to be created alongside new releases. Given that GW is not keen to charge anything less than $30+ for a plastic clampack now, it would be hard to imagine an IG character of sufficient might to warrant this treatment.

Captain Al'Rahem and Chenkov did have models. Marbo too. Oddly enough I can't think of many characters that did not have a model.

To GW, metal models are a thing of the past. They would never put a character into a new codex that only had a metal model because they do not intend on making more. Anything that was ported to Finecast was an exception to that rule. Anything still in metal available at your FLGS or on GW's online store is backstock that once expened, will not be replaced.

I always assumed they would bring them back via data slates. For example Cypher does not have a current model and he got some fun rules and scenarios. Packaging Marbo with some mini games and scenarios would be pretty awesome.

I'm glad the dataslate theory was proven false. It would have been a ridiculous concept to have to pay additional money for things that should have simply been included in the codex.

Also, the IG commissar plastic clam pack is only 21 bucks.

That was then, this is now. But if I recall, many of us balked at that price for a plastic, monopose model at the time. How silly were we, huh?

Lukas Bastonne and Mogul Kamir both did not have models, but then again, they weren't exactly stellar choices.

 the_Armyman wrote:

Resin Glazed Guardsman wrote:Well all of these formations are coming from the Tau campaign book correct? So we have yet to see any info about the actual codex.

I shall remain, cautiously optimistic.

When do you tnink we'll see this codex? I think Q1 2016 isn't happening, and if it was, then shouldn't the codex be on the way to the publisher by now? If so, wouldn't it have made sense to have adjusted points costs on the SHTs in Mont'ka if in fact there was a points adjustment in the new codex? Which would seem to indicate to me either:

1) Earliest new IG codex Q2 2016, or (more depressingly)..
2) No significant changes to new IG codex bar some terribad formations if Mont'ka is an indication of their new (old?) IG design philosophy.

That's predicated solely upon the idea of the SHTs being in the new book AND that this current book wouldn't reprint Escalation's statlines.


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 BrookM wrote:
Lukas Bastonne and Mogul Kamir both did not have models, but then again, they weren't exactly stellar choices.

Pah! Bastonne was a cornerstone for me.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
I don't think it will be the AM codex in the spring. I think I might know what it is, but I'd prefer to keep it in the family for now, lest my brothers turn to brooding.

Brooding?

Tyranids confirmed! You heard it here first!

AHAHAHA! no.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 the_Armyman wrote:

Resin Glazed Guardsman wrote:Well all of these formations are coming from the Tau campaign book correct? So we have yet to see any info about the actual codex.

I shall remain, cautiously optimistic.

When do you tnink we'll see this codex? I think Q1 2016 isn't happening, and if it was, then shouldn't the codex be on the way to the publisher by now? If so, wouldn't it have made sense to have adjusted points costs on the SHTs in Mont'ka if in fact there was a points adjustment in the new codex? Which would seem to indicate to me either:

1) Earliest new IG codex Q2 2016, or (more depressingly)..
2) No significant changes to new IG codex bar some terribad formations if Mont'ka is an indication of their new (old?) IG design philosophy.

That's predicated solely upon the idea of the SHTs being in the new book AND that this current book wouldn't reprint Escalation's statlines.

Every new codex has had a LOW entry since GKs, correct? Baneblade variants are the IG's LOW, so they will reprint the rules in the newest IG dex when it's made. They don't need 9 separate pages. At most, a 2-page spread detailing options, just like they do for Leman Russ variants. So, I think it's a pretty safe assumption no new codex for the next 4-6 months or a really bad one sooner.

 the_Armyman wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 the_Armyman wrote:

Resin Glazed Guardsman wrote:Well all of these formations are coming from the Tau campaign book correct? So we have yet to see any info about the actual codex.

I shall remain, cautiously optimistic.

When do you tnink we'll see this codex? I think Q1 2016 isn't happening, and if it was, then shouldn't the codex be on the way to the publisher by now? If so, wouldn't it have made sense to have adjusted points costs on the SHTs in Mont'ka if in fact there was a points adjustment in the new codex? Which would seem to indicate to me either:

1) Earliest new IG codex Q2 2016, or (more depressingly)..
2) No significant changes to new IG codex bar some terribad formations if Mont'ka is an indication of their new (old?) IG design philosophy.

That's predicated solely upon the idea of the SHTs being in the new book AND that this current book wouldn't reprint Escalation's statlines.

Every new codex has had a LOW entry since GKs, correct? Baneblade variants are the IG's LOW, so they will reprint the rules in the newest IG dex when it's made. They don't need 9 separate pages. At most, a 2-page spread detailing options, just like they do for Leman Russ variants. So, I think it's a pretty safe assumption no new codex for the next 4-6 months or a really bad one sooner.

See, that's assuming that we're going to see the Baneblade as the IG's LoW. I can think of a few other things that could make an appearance in that slot.

In any regards, who knows. Maybe this is going to be another case where Guard get a book right before a new edition? Maybe an edition that isn't outright hostile to vehicles!

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
It is the new normal, and the IG should be at that same power level when using whatever formations they get. That would be balanced and fair.

This won't make you feel any better, but I don't think that's how GW writes these books and codices. I think their goal is to best approximate the fluff and create a way to recreate the book battles on the table top. That's why in these campaign books you see aliens battling a host of Imperial forces. So to compare power levels, you should take into account the knight formations and space marine formations that can be found in these books. The Necron, Tau and Eldar books need to contain everything necessary to fight all the Imperium books, so they tend to be more powerful.

A platoon of guardsmen might not be strong. But a platoon of guardsmen being led by a White Scar librarian conclave with the item that grants ignore cover has a bit more juice.

For those players who want to collect and play a single codex, this might be frustrating, but that's the cinematic vision that GW is trying to achieve.

bogalubov wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
It is the new normal, and the IG should be at that same power level when using whatever formations they get. That would be balanced and fair.

This won't make you feel any better, but I don't think that's how GW writes these books and codices. I think their goal is to best approximate the fluff and create a way to recreate the book battles on the table top. That's why in these campaign books you see aliens battling a host of Imperial forces. So to compare power levels, you should take into account the knight formations and space marine formations that can be found in these books. The Necron, Tau and Eldar books need to contain everything necessary to fight all the Imperium books, so they tend to be more powerful.

A platoon of guardsmen might not be strong. But a platoon of guardsmen being led by a White Scar librarian conclave with the item that grants ignore cover has a bit more juice.

For those players who want to collect and play a single codex, this might be frustrating, but that's the cinematic vision that GW is trying to achieve.

Yeah, it's really not.

That's what players ASSUME that GW is trying to achieve.

Do you guys think we will still see a new codex in Q1 now that we have formations in Mont'ka?

Wow, just saw the rules for the Emperor's Shield. I get that GW wants to sell models (they tricked me into buying another Tactical Squad for the Battle Demi-Company), but the number needed is absurd for the Guard. So either you can play tanks or...nothing at all. That is pretty lame.

 Kanluwen wrote:

bogalubov wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
It is the new normal, and the IG should be at that same power level when using whatever formations they get. That would be balanced and fair.

This won't make you feel any better, but I don't think that's how GW writes these books and codices. I think their goal is to best approximate the fluff and create a way to recreate the book battles on the table top. That's why in these campaign books you see aliens battling a host of Imperial forces. So to compare power levels, you should take into account the knight formations and space marine formations that can be found in these books. The Necron, Tau and Eldar books need to contain everything necessary to fight all the Imperium books, so they tend to be more powerful.

A platoon of guardsmen might not be strong. But a platoon of guardsmen being led by a White Scar librarian conclave with the item that grants ignore cover has a bit more juice.

For those players who want to collect and play a single codex, this might be frustrating, but that's the cinematic vision that GW is trying to achieve.

Yeah, it's really not.

That's what players ASSUME that GW is trying to achieve.

"GW is trying to be cinematic!" or "GW is unjustly punishing me!" are both player assumptions. One makes more sense to me than the other, but it's true that we don't know which one is correct since GW never talks to the player base.


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 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Wow, just saw the rules for the Emperor's Shield. I get that GW wants to sell models (they tricked me into buying another Tactical Squad for the Battle Demi-Company), but the number needed is absurd for the Guard. So either you can play tanks or...nothing at all. That is pretty lame.

Like I said above, we didn't need the formation to be able to take 165 guardsmen. We could already take 630+ in a combined arms detachment.

I do have 200+ painted guardsmen and I'm still not going to take this formation. Who has the time to move all those jerks? One time I took 3 40 man platoons and I never want to calculate that many lasgun shots ever again.

 Kanluwen wrote:

See, that's assuming that we're going to see the Baneblade as the IG's LoW. I can think of a few other things that could make an appearance in that slot.

If they make a Leviathan, will you buy me one, Kan Pretty please?

In any regards, who knows. Maybe this is going to be another case where Guard get a book right before a new edition? Maybe an edition that isn't outright hostile to vehicles!

I'm trying to decide which one of those options is more terrifying.

 the_Armyman wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

See, that's assuming that we're going to see the Baneblade as the IG's LoW. I can think of a few other things that could make an appearance in that slot.

If they make a Leviathan, will you buy me one, Kan Pretty please?

I wasn't thinking of the Leviathan, but man...now I kinda want one. So no, I won't buy you one but I hope we get one!

I was thinking more of the Marauder Bomber or some kind of bulk transport.

In any regards, who knows. Maybe this is going to be another case where Guard get a book right before a new edition? Maybe an edition that isn't outright hostile to vehicles!

I'm trying to decide which one of those options is more terrifying.

The Leviathan. No question.

Think about how much that thing would be!

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-EU/Datacards-Cadians-ENG

Can this mean that there will be more of those for different regiments?

Oh I miss Marbo a 1in infiltrate demo charge tore up many a term squad



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 Hawky wrote:
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-EU/Datacards-Cadians-ENG

Can this mean that there will be more of those for different regiments?

please be true

 ThirstySpaceMan wrote:
Oh I miss Marbo a 1in infiltrate demo charge tore up many a term squad

Or scatter onto himself. God I miss that bastard.

I'd love to hear the reasoning behind his removal, as I too have fond memories of the bastard. He once took down a Riptide all by himself.

 BrookM wrote:
I'd love to hear the reasoning behind his removal, as I too have fond memories of the bastard. He once took down a Riptide all by himself.

Because he's too obvious a Rambo-copy, down to the anagram of a name. Same reason they removed Sherlock Obiwan Clousseau.

Wonderwolf wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
I'd love to hear the reasoning behind his removal, as I too have fond memories of the bastard. He once took down a Riptide all by himself.

Because he's too obvious a Rambo-copy, down to the anagram of a name. Same reason they removed Sherlock Obiwan Clousseau.

Doubt it

the collect... oh Tazyn is still about. and hes probably one of the coolest characters in the Necron book.

I'd be happy with a Commando character type unit that you could equip yourself but i liked him. I like Ork hunters but if the SG are back ill just wait for new diggas i waited 12 years now for SOB so there we go.

This is quite a long thread filled with wishful thinking, given the source. I thought people had finally figured out that Vela is FOS.

bogalubov wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
It is the new normal, and the IG should be at that same power level when using whatever formations they get. That would be balanced and fair.

This won't make you feel any better, but I don't think that's how GW writes these books and codices. I think their goal is to best approximate the fluff and create a way to recreate the book battles on the table top. That's why in these campaign books you see aliens battling a host of Imperial forces. So to compare power levels, you should take into account the knight formations and space marine formations that can be found in these books. The Necron, Tau and Eldar books need to contain everything necessary to fight all the Imperium books, so they tend to be more powerful.

A platoon of guardsmen might not be strong. But a platoon of guardsmen being led by a White Scar librarian conclave with the item that grants ignore cover has a bit more juice.

For those players who want to collect and play a single codex, this might be frustrating, but that's the cinematic vision that GW is trying to achieve.

if you need a second codex to make AM competitive, then you have to admit, that codex AM is crap

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:
This is quite a long thread filled with wishful thinking, given the source. I thought people had finally figured out that Vela is FOS.

The original topic turned into wishlisting, followed by concrete discussion on the upcoming IG rules in Mont'ka and Battlegroup Hammerblow. I haven't given BOLS any thought, tbh. I'm sure the mods'll lock it down in the next few days. Then we wait until the next batch of manure rolls in from the fields

There is reliable info

Sad Panda

Don't worry. I don't think there will be a new Guard Codex in 2016. Certainly not in the first half of the year.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/670756/8273326.page#8273326

In the other IG/AM topic

Sad Panda

Cadians specifically, but yes. Also Baneblade & friends.

Hopefully this shows there won't be a Tyranid vs. AM campaign next year.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/670623/8265172.page#8265172

Just not from Bols...

Because the Mont'Ka campaign book is Cadian, I think it leaves room to assume (hope) they will release a new codex (wish full thinking) for the other Guard armies. They could have used this book to consolidate all armies by calling it an Astra Militarum detachment, but chose to specifically indicate it is a Cadian force. Now, I'm wondering if the alleged Tyranid vs AM campaign will actually lead to a new codex; or instead be Tyranid vs Catachans only, and include a new detachment for them only in one of the campaign books.

Findslo wrote:
Because the Mont'Ka campaign book is Cadian, I think it leaves room to assume (hope) they will release a new codex (wish full thinking) for the other Guard armies. They could have used this book to consolidate all armies by calling it an Astra Militarum detachment, but chose to specifically indicate it is a Cadian force. Now, I'm wondering if the alleged Tyranid vs AM campaign will actually lead to a new codex; or instead be Tyranid vs Catachans only, and include a new detachment for them only in one of the campaign books.

I mean, I'm hoping for Tzeentch Demonkin too....

I don't think we can assume rules for Catachan/Tallarn/Steel Legion et al are coming based on this campaign book having Cadian specific rules. Cadian's are the 'poster boys' for the Guard, just like Khorne is for Chaos. When Khorne Demonkin was released, everybody just assumed they'd be following up with the other 3 chaos gods. But nothing so far, aside from some vague rumours about a plastic Lord of Change.